Kamala Harris for President

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Anonymous wrote:Never had an abortion, never will, but I’ll be damned if I sit idly by while my daughters are threatened by these crazy laws. This is a hill I will die on.

- grandma for choice

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Independent, in menopause, who worries for her DD

Every man with a wife and/or daughter should be worried for them if they love them.

+2. My daughter’s life could be threatened by these laws. Of course it’s my top voting issue.

Well the top voting issue for most people is the economy and Trumps economy was better than Bidens. I miss the days when 100 dollars meant a trunk full of groceries not just 2 bags

Your grocery prices have more to do with corporate greed than Biden or Trump.

The grocery prices increased due to the border crisis and war on energy from this crazy administration. A grocery truck isn’t going to run on hydro power and wind . Insane Dems want to get oil and gas cancelled and get meat cancelled as well. Cows are apparently bad for the environment so we need to eat bugs
For protein as well. They want overreach in every part of our lives for no good reason

? It's not from the border crisis. What news stories are you reading?

Inflation was caused by pent up demand (due to pandemic) + stimulus money (started by Trump btw) + supply chain issues from the pandemic.

Four years after covid, we are seeing some of the issues ease.

They opened the floodgates and a huge wave of migrants came in crossing farmland

https://www.agriculturedive.com/news/farm-immigration-border-crossings-food-safety-oped/703265/

Many migrants making their way through the U.S. trespass onto farmland, creating a number of safety concerns and forcing farmers to take on additional costs to protect their operations. Every intrusion must be carefully documented, and farmers have to destroy any crops around areas where illegal trespassing occurred to prevent contamination.

To prevent such intrusions, farmers have purchased expensive fencing to prevent people from entering their fields and technology to increase electronic field monitoring. They’ve also invested in no trespassing signage in English and Spanish, plus dumpsters and bathrooms for immigrants to use to keep the fields safe.

Yuma County Emergency Management, for example, has budgeted $70,000 to lease port-a-potties. At a congressional hearing this year, Arizona farmers and others detailed costs in the tens of thousands to replace fences, pick up litter and install signage.

But fields aren’t the only safety concern. Increased cartel activity along the border has also made it necessary for Yuma farmers to implement additional safety measures and training, with some paying for additional labor to eliminate the danger posed to lone workers. Migrants themselves are also at risk, and could be harmed by large farm equipment or the effects of pesticide or fertilizer application.

This border crisis is costing farmers and ranchers a fortune, as illegal immigrants leave property damage, piles of trash, and damaged crops in their wake. These people must often spend their hard-earned money to secure their farms and ranches from the devastating consequences of Biden's border crisis.

So, illegal immigrants are killing our farms even as they are the ones who mostly work the fields.

High food prices aren't caused by farmers raising the price because of illegal immigrants. It's due to corporate greed now.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/jan...by-corporate-profits

Corporate greed? You mean capitalism ? That always existed .

The change was the war in Ukraine causing global shortages of grains and in the US that affected prices as well as the border crisis . Such a huge amount of migrants were crossing over every day on farms . To prevent contamination, Farmers and ranchers had to build up fences and put security measures to prevent migrant foot traffic over the crops . The border crisis and open door policy of this clueless administration did cause an increase in grocery prices. We didn’t even see the price hikes from COVID 19 or Trumps tariffs on China

It was the supply chain issues and climate change, but ok.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/food-prices-grocery-inflation-biden-economy/

The reason for the hikes may be due to supply issues and climate change, rather than corporate greed. Drought has reduced pasture for raising cows, leading to smaller cattle herds, according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture. And orange production has been impacted by severe weather events and the citrus greening disease, which doesn't have a cure.

No valid news source has indicated that illegal immigrants are the cause of higher prices. More than likely, if Trump has his way, and rounds up all illegals, food prices will go up. Look at what happened in FL when Desantis cracked down illegal immigrants. Construction costs like roofing went up, and there was a long wait time, just after a hurricane hit.

Glad you agreed that capitalism is the same as corporate greed, which is one of the reasons why they ship jobs overseas. Will Trump impose regulations to bring back those jobs, I wonder?

Trump already brought many jobs back to Americans in meatpacking facilities and such . The ICE raids on illegal immigrants and their employers (people forget that part ) did not significantly explode food prices and neither did tarriffs on China during the 4 years Trump was in office as predicted . It was the Biden admin that exploded the price of food and decided to go on this Ill advised open border , welcome to all and war on energy policy

Biden didn't explode the price of food, that would be the food producers and grocery chains. We live in a capitalist society and the capitalists decided to use the cover of COVID and supply chains to rape the US consumer.

So unless we want a socialist country, which the right projects on to the left, we are left with private companies selling food for maximum profit. And yet the right blames Biden.

What is the GOP plan to reduce costs? I'll wait here but I won't hold my breath for an answer.

This is not true. Capitalism would’ve exploded the prices when the illegal migrant raids were going on , slaughterhouses were getting shut down, and tariffs to China were going on

Trump handled COVID much better than this administration would’ve. Could you imagine if this insane war with Russia and open border policy was going on during the start of COVID? The cities would’ve been bankrupted between the public health crises of migrants in hospitals and taking care of migrants along with COVID .

Prices had gone up for some stuff during covid, while it went down for others. But, we had the stimulus money helped people afford the costs.

We had stimulus money because we didn’t have a migrant crisis and a proxy war sending billions of dollars to NATO and Ukraines former comedian turned president . Thank God Biden wasnt president when COVID first hit. It’s funny how the media pivoted to the virus no longer being so deadly once trump left office

There was a migrant crisis, remember all those families that were separated, and there are still thousands of kids who were shipped off to Christain orphanages who are "missing" - but it is true that the influx stopped during COVID, gee I wonder why!

And like Donald, you don't understand NATO, but there aren't billions of dollars being shipped somewhere.

What IS happening, however, is that we are sending our soon to be expired munitions and obsolete equipment to Ukraine and using new money to build updated supplies for the US arsonel.

How nice. We are shipping them the defective equipment in the war for their lives . No wonder they can’t beat Russia yet. We are saving the top of the line equipment for the other country whose leader doesn’t even like our current leader . Nice work dems

Who said anything about defective? It is just 1990's and 2000's technology instead of 2024 technology. We wouldn't want the Russians recovering our latest and reverse engineering it, right?

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Anonymous wrote:Can Biden step down and hand Kamala the 47th presidency and she run as the incumbent?

If Biden isn't well enough to run, he's not well enough to lead. If Dems were genuinely as excited about Harris as posters here say, they would do this. That would lock in the nomination for Harris. Absent that, anything can happen in an open convention.

The convention is purely ceremonial. You get that. Right? Because the convention is being help after the Ohio deadline and maybe 1-2 others to submit the nominee. And no one trusts Ohio Rs when they say they will make an exception and put the Dem nominee on the ballot despite that, especially now. So, the actual delegate voting will start no earlier than 8/1 and will be completed no later than 8/7, via a virtual convention. And as of last evening, Harris had well over the number of delegates she needs. She’ll get the nomination in a virtual vote next week. That plan was announced under Biden when it became clear Ohio might try to keep him off the ballot. And it was announced yesterday that was still the plan. As it should be. I don’t trust Ohio or a red state to put Harris on the ballot.

By the time we reach the convention, she’s been formally nominated for a couple of weeks and already had her name submitted to the states. The convention is just free prime time and speeches and tag rah go team.

Why is the convention so late? Good question. The incumbent party goes last, and they are programming against the Olympics.

They chose television programming over ballot deadlines, and you want me to vote for them with that kind of judgment?

Trump tweets our national intelligence details, but you think he has good judgement?

No, I don’t.

Moderates, swing voters, independents: you need our votes. For many of us, it isn’t a choice between Democrats and MAGA. It’s a choice between Democrats and staying home.

A lot of us haven’t seen the Democrats do enough to preserve what we care about: ending school shootings, protecting gay marriage from a Dobbs-type overturn, national healthcare, and reforms of so many basic social systems that have become rampantly predatory. They lost Roe. They didn’t do enough, they took it for granted, and they lost it, and I have zero faith that it won’t happen again. There is no anti-Project 2025 plan from the Democrats. There is a lot of fundraising against its spectre, but no plan.

And we see that if MAGA doesn’t win in 2024, it will only be a stay of execution; we will have Project 2029 instead.

Most of the Democrat voters don’t want to have this conversation, though. They want to assume I’m a MAGA follower for questioning what the Democrats are doing.

Dems cannot do what you want unless there is a majority in the House and a filibuster proof majority in the senate. So staying home means letting the GOP run roughshod over the country. How about supporting Dems and findng a handful of reasonable GOP who are willing to do something to protect human rights, and limit the damage the guns can do to our children.

Dems had this many times in the past decade +. They don’t pass anything progressive and left everything to the states to pass their own minimum wage and deal with abortion laws . Some of these states had abortion restrictions long before Dobbs in 2022.

This is due to Democratic failure

They had a filibuster proof majority for less than a year into Obama's first term at the start of one of the worst financial crises since the Great Depression. They got the ACA passed while seeking GOP buy in along with a stimulus act. Everything else was focused on getting us out of the next Great Depression, nitwit.

Yes, the bailout recycled from Bush that he passed bailing out the banks instead of jailing them and bailing out the homeowners . He used all that time to pass Romney care and extend Bush tax cuts for the rich (of course) then blamed young people/millennials for sitting out the midterms. The Dems have the audacity to blame progressives and young people . They sit out elections because they do nothing. Instead of fake tears over Sandy Hook, they should’ve passed assault weapon bans when they had the filibuster proof majorities which was often.

Republicans did not win the Senate and Congress at all and were decimated post-Bush and even Before in 2006. I remember Nancy Pelosi refused to impeach Bush over lying about Iraq but they all spent billions in tax payer funds to impeach Trump twice for paying porn stars and classified docs and failed

Filibuster proof majorities were there for far more than a year .

The Dems are nothing but a cluster f of disappointment to progressives pushed toward Trump like myself . The Dem Party deserves to burn to ash and rebuild from the beginning

The Democrats are a coalition of many interests. What has the GOP ever done for you? I'll wait. The sad thing is, they can just obstruct because, other than tax cuts and now mass deportations, they don't have any policies. Or rather, they don't have any popular policies. It's just easier to block the other side and say, "See government doesn't work. Vote for me!"

You are missing the lede. You aren’t talking to MAGA here. It’s not Dems vs MAGA. It’s Dems vs stay home.

We know you feel energized and hopeful. And that’s great! But we don’t. A Harris vote seems like kicking the can down the road. We turned out for HRC. We turned out for Biden-Harris. We still lost our rights and the Dems have shown us no plans to fight back, just asking us for cash and votes.

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Anonymous wrote:Can Biden step down and hand Kamala the 47th presidency and she run as the incumbent?

If Biden isn't well enough to run, he's not well enough to lead. If Dems were genuinely as excited about Harris as posters here say, they would do this. That would lock in the nomination for Harris. Absent that, anything can happen in an open convention.

The convention is purely ceremonial. You get that. Right? Because the convention is being help after the Ohio deadline and maybe 1-2 others to submit the nominee. And no one trusts Ohio Rs when they say they will make an exception and put the Dem nominee on the ballot despite that, especially now. So, the actual delegate voting will start no earlier than 8/1 and will be completed no later than 8/7, via a virtual convention. And as of last evening, Harris had well over the number of delegates she needs. She’ll get the nomination in a virtual vote next week. That plan was announced under Biden when it became clear Ohio might try to keep him off the ballot. And it was announced yesterday that was still the plan. As it should be. I don’t trust Ohio or a red state to put Harris on the ballot.

By the time we reach the convention, she’s been formally nominated for a couple of weeks and already had her name submitted to the states. The convention is just free prime time and speeches and tag rah go team.

Why is the convention so late? Good question. The incumbent party goes last, and they are programming against the Olympics.

They chose television programming over ballot deadlines, and you want me to vote for them with that kind of judgment?

Trump tweets our national intelligence details, but you think he has good judgement?

No, I don’t.

Moderates, swing voters, independents: you need our votes. For many of us, it isn’t a choice between Democrats and MAGA. It’s a choice between Democrats and staying home.

A lot of us haven’t seen the Democrats do enough to preserve what we care about: ending school shootings, protecting gay marriage from a Dobbs-type overturn, national healthcare, and reforms of so many basic social systems that have become rampantly predatory. They lost Roe. They didn’t do enough, they took it for granted, and they lost it, and I have zero faith that it won’t happen again. There is no anti-Project 2025 plan from the Democrats. There is a lot of fundraising against its spectre, but no plan.

And we see that if MAGA doesn’t win in 2024, it will only be a stay of execution; we will have Project 2029 instead.

Most of the Democrat voters don’t want to have this conversation, though. They want to assume I’m a MAGA follower for questioning what the Democrats are doing.

No, I just want to point out that frequently the Democrats are trying but they’re being blocked the Republicans at every turn. The Democratic Party cannot single-handedly fix everything when they’re being rat snuggled by the GOP.

Do I get annoyed that our party plays by the rules and seems, generally, to lack the Machiavellian skills that the GOP has (the Biden pulling the rug out from the Let’s Go Brandon party notwithstanding; that was a masterstroke)? Hell yeah I do. But the GOP blocks everything and the gerrymandered states that limit the actual power of Democratic voters has me aware that unless we vote out the GOP in shocking numbers, it’s slow progress or go backwards. I’ll pick slow progress with the hope that the younger, invigorated Democrats like AOC and Jeffries push it forward faster.

I get that. But if the Democrats are consistently powerless, why should I keep donating to them? Why should I keep voting for them?

As far as I can tell, we ARE going backwards. We lost Roe. The candidate for the “good guys” dropped out last minute and his party planned a convention AFTER the ballot deadline.

Slow progress? Where?

Slow progress:

Affordable Care Act
CHIPS Act bringing jobs back to the US
IRA for new infrastructure and significant green economy funding

Just a start.

The ACA requires Americans to carry insurance but does not assure affordability. Then fines them if they can’t afford it.

It isn’t progress.

Yes, the R way is so much better when millions couldn't get insurance. /s

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/record-16-3-million-seek-health-coverage-through-affordable-care-act

You do realize that when the Rs controlled Congress and the WH, they still couldn't kill ACA, right? Do you know why that was? Because some Rs realized that ACA was good for their state, and they knew they would lose the next election if they voted to kill it.

Tell me you live in a blue state without telling me you live in a blue state. And that you’re at least of a middle class income.


The reality of healthcare for a lot of the US is a ruinous financial nightmare when you can access it at all.


Kid shot in school? Better have insurance.


I don’t like the Rs either but the ACA is not good legislation.

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Anonymous wrote:Never had an abortion, never will, but I’ll be damned if I sit idly by while my daughters are threatened by these crazy laws. This is a hill I will die on.

- grandma for choice

+1

Independent, in menopause, who worries for her DD

Every man with a wife and/or daughter should be worried for them if they love them.

+2. My daughter’s life could be threatened by these laws. Of course it’s my top voting issue.

Well the top voting issue for most people is the economy and Trumps economy was better than Bidens. I miss the days when 100 dollars meant a trunk full of groceries not just 2 bags

Your grocery prices have more to do with corporate greed than Biden or Trump.

The grocery prices increased due to the border crisis and war on energy from this crazy administration. A grocery truck isn’t going to run on hydro power and wind . Insane Dems want to get oil and gas cancelled and get meat cancelled as well. Cows are apparently bad for the environment so we need to eat bugs
For protein as well. They want overreach in every part of our lives for no good reason

? It's not from the border crisis. What news stories are you reading?

Inflation was caused by pent up demand (due to pandemic) + stimulus money (started by Trump btw) + supply chain issues from the pandemic.

Four years after covid, we are seeing some of the issues ease.

They opened the floodgates and a huge wave of migrants came in crossing farmland

https://www.agriculturedive.com/news/farm-immigration-border-crossings-food-safety-oped/703265/

Many migrants making their way through the U.S. trespass onto farmland, creating a number of safety concerns and forcing farmers to take on additional costs to protect their operations. Every intrusion must be carefully documented, and farmers have to destroy any crops around areas where illegal trespassing occurred to prevent contamination.

To prevent such intrusions, farmers have purchased expensive fencing to prevent people from entering their fields and technology to increase electronic field monitoring. They’ve also invested in no trespassing signage in English and Spanish, plus dumpsters and bathrooms for immigrants to use to keep the fields safe.

Yuma County Emergency Management, for example, has budgeted $70,000 to lease port-a-potties. At a congressional hearing this year, Arizona farmers and others detailed costs in the tens of thousands to replace fences, pick up litter and install signage.

But fields aren’t the only safety concern. Increased cartel activity along the border has also made it necessary for Yuma farmers to implement additional safety measures and training, with some paying for additional labor to eliminate the danger posed to lone workers. Migrants themselves are also at risk, and could be harmed by large farm equipment or the effects of pesticide or fertilizer application.

This border crisis is costing farmers and ranchers a fortune, as illegal immigrants leave property damage, piles of trash, and damaged crops in their wake. These people must often spend their hard-earned money to secure their farms and ranches from the devastating consequences of Biden's border crisis.

So, illegal immigrants are killing our farms even as they are the ones who mostly work the fields.

High food prices aren't caused by farmers raising the price because of illegal immigrants. It's due to corporate greed now.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/jan...by-corporate-profits

Corporate greed? You mean capitalism ? That always existed .

The change was the war in Ukraine causing global shortages of grains and in the US that affected prices as well as the border crisis . Such a huge amount of migrants were crossing over every day on farms . To prevent contamination, Farmers and ranchers had to build up fences and put security measures to prevent migrant foot traffic over the crops . The border crisis and open door policy of this clueless administration did cause an increase in grocery prices. We didn’t even see the price hikes from COVID 19 or Trumps tariffs on China

It was the supply chain issues and climate change, but ok.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/food-prices-grocery-inflation-biden-economy/

The reason for the hikes may be due to supply issues and climate change, rather than corporate greed. Drought has reduced pasture for raising cows, leading to smaller cattle herds, according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture. And orange production has been impacted by severe weather events and the citrus greening disease, which doesn't have a cure.

No valid news source has indicated that illegal immigrants are the cause of higher prices. More than likely, if Trump has his way, and rounds up all illegals, food prices will go up. Look at what happened in FL when Desantis cracked down illegal immigrants. Construction costs like roofing went up, and there was a long wait time, just after a hurricane hit.

Glad you agreed that capitalism is the same as corporate greed, which is one of the reasons why they ship jobs overseas. Will Trump impose regulations to bring back those jobs, I wonder?

Trump already brought many jobs back to Americans in meatpacking facilities and such . The ICE raids on illegal immigrants and their employers (people forget that part ) did not significantly explode food prices and neither did tarriffs on China during the 4 years Trump was in office as predicted . It was the Biden admin that exploded the price of food and decided to go on this Ill advised open border , welcome to all and war on energy policy

LOL.. most of the workers in meat packing plants are.... migrant workers. Also, Trump's hotels also hired illegal immigrants. Too funny.

We don't import food from China.

We absolutely import food from China. Instead of condensension, the Dems should learn to research and learn about the world beyond the blue states . Rural and small town America was decimated thanks to the Democrats . Hillary even said coal and factories don’t even exist in 2016. Elitism and callousness like this is why she lost .

Biden tried with his Scranton working class image but the past few years have shown small town America he doesn’t care about the fentanyl across the border and the global food crisis egged on by his war on Ukraine to help Washington’s new Cold War stance with Russia . Why do we need Ukraine to be in NATO ? We didn’t like it when Russians were on our doorstep in Cuba many many years ago under a am actually great Democratic president who avoided war with Cuba and possibly was killed for it

We didn't need Ukraine in NATO until Putin decided to invade Ukraine to push against NATO. Trump was not a fan of NATO so Putin had no fear from NATO. [i]After Trump left office, Putin saw the writing on the wall, and that it was now or never to put a buffer between Russia and NATO, a la Ukraine.[b]

That is how Trump is planning to stop the war there. He's going to hand Ukraine over to Russia. You might think that's fine, but that is a global security risk. Trump and MAGA don't get how important global security is because they (you) are isolationists.

Russian propaganda has clearly worked on you.

Raise your hand if you sleep well at night in Lithuania. Or even Finland. Which also joined NATO over this.

No, I don’t sleep well because the leader in office care about eastern Europes borders over our own.

We should secure our own borders instead of worrying about someone else’s backyard and protecting them. We don’t even protect ourselves

If it were such a crisis, why did the GOP choose not to support their own "bi-partisan" bill to address it. Hard to take the issue seriously when the people bleating about it refuse to actually move forward with solutions in the name of political expedience.

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Anonymous wrote:Can Biden step down and hand Kamala the 47th presidency and she run as the incumbent?

If Biden isn't well enough to run, he's not well enough to lead. If Dems were genuinely as excited about Harris as posters here say, they would do this. That would lock in the nomination for Harris. Absent that, anything can happen in an open convention.

The convention is purely ceremonial. You get that. Right? Because the convention is being help after the Ohio deadline and maybe 1-2 others to submit the nominee. And no one trusts Ohio Rs when they say they will make an exception and put the Dem nominee on the ballot despite that, especially now. So, the actual delegate voting will start no earlier than 8/1 and will be completed no later than 8/7, via a virtual convention. And as of last evening, Harris had well over the number of delegates she needs. She’ll get the nomination in a virtual vote next week. That plan was announced under Biden when it became clear Ohio might try to keep him off the ballot. And it was announced yesterday that was still the plan. As it should be. I don’t trust Ohio or a red state to put Harris on the ballot.

By the time we reach the convention, she’s been formally nominated for a couple of weeks and already had her name submitted to the states. The convention is just free prime time and speeches and tag rah go team.

Why is the convention so late? Good question. The incumbent party goes last, and they are programming against the Olympics.

They chose television programming over ballot deadlines, and you want me to vote for them with that kind of judgment?

Trump tweets our national intelligence details, but you think he has good judgement?

No, I don’t.

Moderates, swing voters, independents: you need our votes. For many of us, it isn’t a choice between Democrats and MAGA. It’s a choice between Democrats and staying home.

A lot of us haven’t seen the Democrats do enough to preserve what we care about: ending school shootings, protecting gay marriage from a Dobbs-type overturn, national healthcare, and reforms of so many basic social systems that have become rampantly predatory. They lost Roe. They didn’t do enough, they took it for granted, and they lost it, and I have zero faith that it won’t happen again. There is no anti-Project 2025 plan from the Democrats. There is a lot of fundraising against its spectre, but no plan.

And we see that if MAGA doesn’t win in 2024, it will only be a stay of execution; we will have Project 2029 instead.

Most of the Democrat voters don’t want to have this conversation, though. They want to assume I’m a MAGA follower for questioning what the Democrats are doing.

Dems cannot do what you want unless there is a majority in the House and a filibuster proof majority in the senate. So staying home means letting the GOP run roughshod over the country. How about supporting Dems and findng a handful of reasonable GOP who are willing to do something to protect human rights, and limit the damage the guns can do to our children.

Dems had this many times in the past decade +. They don’t pass anything progressive and left everything to the states to pass their own minimum wage and deal with abortion laws . Some of these states had abortion restrictions long before Dobbs in 2022.

This is due to Democratic failure

They had a filibuster proof majority for less than a year into Obama's first term at the start of one of the worst financial crises since the Great Depression. They got the ACA passed while seeking GOP buy in along with a stimulus act. Everything else was focused on getting us out of the next Great Depression, nitwit.

Yes, the bailout recycled from Bush that he passed bailing out the banks instead of jailing them and bailing out the homeowners . He used all that time to pass Romney care and extend Bush tax cuts for the rich (of course) then blamed young people/millennials for sitting out the midterms. The Dems have the audacity to blame progressives and young people . They sit out elections because they do nothing. Instead of fake tears over Sandy Hook, they should’ve passed assault weapon bans when they had the filibuster proof majorities which was often.

Republicans did not win the Senate and Congress at all and were decimated post-Bush and even Before in 2006. I remember Nancy Pelosi refused to impeach Bush over lying about Iraq but they all spent billions in tax payer funds to impeach Trump twice for paying porn stars and classified docs and failed

Filibuster proof majorities were there for far more than a year .

The Dems are nothing but a cluster f of disappointment to progressives pushed toward Trump like myself . The Dem Party deserves to burn to ash and rebuild from the beginning

The Democrats are a coalition of many interests. What has the GOP ever done for you? I'll wait. The sad thing is, they can just obstruct because, other than tax cuts and now mass deportations, they don't have any policies. Or rather, they don't have any popular policies. It's just easier to block the other side and say, "See government doesn't work. Vote for me!"

You are missing the lede. You aren’t talking to MAGA here. It’s not Dems vs MAGA. It’s Dems vs stay home.

We know you feel energized and hopeful. And that’s great! But we don’t. A Harris vote seems like kicking the can down the road. We turned out for HRC. We turned out for Biden-Harris. We still lost our rights and the Dems have shown us no plans to fight back, just asking us for cash and votes.

You know what, just stay home and suffer Project 202t.

Seriously.

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Anonymous wrote:Can Biden step down and hand Kamala the 47th presidency and she run as the incumbent?

If Biden isn't well enough to run, he's not well enough to lead. If Dems were genuinely as excited about Harris as posters here say, they would do this. That would lock in the nomination for Harris. Absent that, anything can happen in an open convention.

The convention is purely ceremonial. You get that. Right? Because the convention is being help after the Ohio deadline and maybe 1-2 others to submit the nominee. And no one trusts Ohio Rs when they say they will make an exception and put the Dem nominee on the ballot despite that, especially now. So, the actual delegate voting will start no earlier than 8/1 and will be completed no later than 8/7, via a virtual convention. And as of last evening, Harris had well over the number of delegates she needs. She’ll get the nomination in a virtual vote next week. That plan was announced under Biden when it became clear Ohio might try to keep him off the ballot. And it was announced yesterday that was still the plan. As it should be. I don’t trust Ohio or a red state to put Harris on the ballot.

By the time we reach the convention, she’s been formally nominated for a couple of weeks and already had her name submitted to the states. The convention is just free prime time and speeches and tag rah go team.

Why is the convention so late? Good question. The incumbent party goes last, and they are programming against the Olympics.

They chose television programming over ballot deadlines, and you want me to vote for them with that kind of judgment?

Trump tweets our national intelligence details, but you think he has good judgement?

No, I don’t.

Moderates, swing voters, independents: you need our votes. For many of us, it isn’t a choice between Democrats and MAGA. It’s a choice between Democrats and staying home.

A lot of us haven’t seen the Democrats do enough to preserve what we care about: ending school shootings, protecting gay marriage from a Dobbs-type overturn, national healthcare, and reforms of so many basic social systems that have become rampantly predatory. They lost Roe. They didn’t do enough, they took it for granted, and they lost it, and I have zero faith that it won’t happen again. There is no anti-Project 2025 plan from the Democrats. There is a lot of fundraising against its spectre, but no plan.

And we see that if MAGA doesn’t win in 2024, it will only be a stay of execution; we will have Project 2029 instead.

Most of the Democrat voters don’t want to have this conversation, though. They want to assume I’m a MAGA follower for questioning what the Democrats are doing.

No, I just want to point out that frequently the Democrats are trying but they’re being blocked the Republicans at every turn. The Democratic Party cannot single-handedly fix everything when they’re being rat snuggled by the GOP.

Do I get annoyed that our party plays by the rules and seems, generally, to lack the Machiavellian skills that the GOP has (the Biden pulling the rug out from the Let’s Go Brandon party notwithstanding; that was a masterstroke)? Hell yeah I do. But the GOP blocks everything and the gerrymandered states that limit the actual power of Democratic voters has me aware that unless we vote out the GOP in shocking numbers, it’s slow progress or go backwards. I’ll pick slow progress with the hope that the younger, invigorated Democrats like AOC and Jeffries push it forward faster.

I get that. But if the Democrats are consistently powerless, why should I keep donating to them? Why should I keep voting for them?

As far as I can tell, we ARE going backwards. We lost Roe. The candidate for the “good guys” dropped out last minute and his party planned a convention AFTER the ballot deadline.

Slow progress? Where?

Slow progress:

Affordable Care Act
CHIPS Act bringing jobs back to the US
IRA for new infrastructure and significant green economy funding

Just a start.

The ACA requires Americans to carry insurance but does not assure affordability. Then fines them if they can’t afford it.

It isn’t progress.

Yes, the R way is so much better when millions couldn't get insurance. /s

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/record-16-3-million-seek-health-coverage-through-affordable-care-act

You do realize that when the Rs controlled Congress and the WH, they still couldn't kill ACA, right? Do you know why that was? Because some Rs realized that ACA was good for their state, and they knew they would lose the next election if they voted to kill it.

Tell me you live in a blue state without telling me you live in a blue state. And that you’re at least of a middle class income.


The reality of healthcare for a lot of the US is a ruinous financial nightmare when you can access it at all.


Kid shot in school? Better have insurance.


I don’t like the Rs either but the ACA is not good legislation.

oh. you have to be f*n kidding me.

I have had private insurance for 20 years, off and on. When I went to get it again in 2002 I couldn't because of a pre-existing condition (gestational diabetes that went away 4 years prior). Thank god for ACA when I was then able to get private insurance.

Millions of people who had never gone to see a doctor finally went to see one after they got insurance from ACA.

Yep, I live in a blue state because they care about their people. I would never live in a red state that wants to curb healthcare access.

And don't get me started on school shootings. It's not the Dems who love their guns and wants to let people buy AR15s, the typical guns in school shootings.

Kinda ironic that Trump was shot by an AR15.

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Anonymous wrote:Can Biden step down and hand Kamala the 47th presidency and she run as the incumbent?

If Biden isn't well enough to run, he's not well enough to lead. If Dems were genuinely as excited about Harris as posters here say, they would do this. That would lock in the nomination for Harris. Absent that, anything can happen in an open convention.

The convention is purely ceremonial. You get that. Right? Because the convention is being help after the Ohio deadline and maybe 1-2 others to submit the nominee. And no one trusts Ohio Rs when they say they will make an exception and put the Dem nominee on the ballot despite that, especially now. So, the actual delegate voting will start no earlier than 8/1 and will be completed no later than 8/7, via a virtual convention. And as of last evening, Harris had well over the number of delegates she needs. She’ll get the nomination in a virtual vote next week. That plan was announced under Biden when it became clear Ohio might try to keep him off the ballot. And it was announced yesterday that was still the plan. As it should be. I don’t trust Ohio or a red state to put Harris on the ballot.

By the time we reach the convention, she’s been formally nominated for a couple of weeks and already had her name submitted to the states. The convention is just free prime time and speeches and tag rah go team.

Why is the convention so late? Good question. The incumbent party goes last, and they are programming against the Olympics.

They chose television programming over ballot deadlines, and you want me to vote for them with that kind of judgment?

Trump tweets our national intelligence details, but you think he has good judgement?

No, I don’t.

Moderates, swing voters, independents: you need our votes. For many of us, it isn’t a choice between Democrats and MAGA. It’s a choice between Democrats and staying home.

A lot of us haven’t seen the Democrats do enough to preserve what we care about: ending school shootings, protecting gay marriage from a Dobbs-type overturn, national healthcare, and reforms of so many basic social systems that have become rampantly predatory. They lost Roe. They didn’t do enough, they took it for granted, and they lost it, and I have zero faith that it won’t happen again. There is no anti-Project 2025 plan from the Democrats. There is a lot of fundraising against its spectre, but no plan.

And we see that if MAGA doesn’t win in 2024, it will only be a stay of execution; we will have Project 2029 instead.

Most of the Democrat voters don’t want to have this conversation, though. They want to assume I’m a MAGA follower for questioning what the Democrats are doing.

Dems cannot do what you want unless there is a majority in the House and a filibuster proof majority in the senate. So staying home means letting the GOP run roughshod over the country. How about supporting Dems and findng a handful of reasonable GOP who are willing to do something to protect human rights, and limit the damage the guns can do to our children.

Dems had this many times in the past decade +. They don’t pass anything progressive and left everything to the states to pass their own minimum wage and deal with abortion laws . Some of these states had abortion restrictions long before Dobbs in 2022.

This is due to Democratic failure

They had a filibuster proof majority for less than a year into Obama's first term at the start of one of the worst financial crises since the Great Depression. They got the ACA passed while seeking GOP buy in along with a stimulus act. Everything else was focused on getting us out of the next Great Depression, nitwit.

Yes, the bailout recycled from Bush that he passed bailing out the banks instead of jailing them and bailing out the homeowners . He used all that time to pass Romney care and extend Bush tax cuts for the rich (of course) then blamed young people/millennials for sitting out the midterms. The Dems have the audacity to blame progressives and young people . They sit out elections because they do nothing. Instead of fake tears over Sandy Hook, they should’ve passed assault weapon bans when they had the filibuster proof majorities which was often.

Republicans did not win the Senate and Congress at all and were decimated post-Bush and even Before in 2006. I remember Nancy Pelosi refused to impeach Bush over lying about Iraq but they all spent billions in tax payer funds to impeach Trump twice for paying porn stars and classified docs and failed

Filibuster proof majorities were there for far more than a year .

The Dems are nothing but a cluster f of disappointment to progressives pushed toward Trump like myself . The Dem Party deserves to burn to ash and rebuild from the beginning

The Democrats are a coalition of many interests. What has the GOP ever done for you? I'll wait. The sad thing is, they can just obstruct because, other than tax cuts and now mass deportations, they don't have any policies. Or rather, they don't have any popular policies. It's just easier to block the other side and say, "See government doesn't work. Vote for me!"

You are missing the lede. You aren’t talking to MAGA here. It’s not Dems vs MAGA. It’s Dems vs stay home.

We know you feel energized and hopeful. And that’s great! But we don’t. A Harris vote seems like kicking the can down the road. We turned out for HRC. We turned out for Biden-Harris. We still lost our rights and the Dems have shown us no plans to fight back, just asking us for cash and votes.

You know what, just stay home and suffer Project 202t.

Seriously.

I’m asking what the Dem plan is to codify law or otherwise prevent it from happening. Because if they don’t have a plan, and execute it, it’s coming.

But asking these questions is deeply unpopular.

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Record breaking one day fund raising in the history of campaigning, and mostly from grass roots efforts.

Meanwhile...

Trump begs Elon for money.
Trump sells access to big oil for $1bil

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/trump-oil-executives-meeting-billion-rcna151576

after an oil executive there complained that the hundreds of millions they had spent lobbying President Joe Biden hadn’t influenced his position on environmental regulations, Trump offered to make a deal with the executives that left many of them stunned:

You all are wealthy enough, he said, that you should raise $1 billion to return me to the White House. At the dinner, he vowed to immediately reverse dozens of President Biden’s environmental rules and policies and stop new ones from being enacted, according to people with knowledge of the meeting, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe a private conversation.

Sources told the Post that Trump also said this apparent quid pro quo was a “deal” for the executives because of the savings they’d get when, assuming he wins, he guts taxes and regulations.

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Anonymous wrote:Can Biden step down and hand Kamala the 47th presidency and she run as the incumbent?

If Biden isn't well enough to run, he's not well enough to lead. If Dems were genuinely as excited about Harris as posters here say, they would do this. That would lock in the nomination for Harris. Absent that, anything can happen in an open convention.

The convention is purely ceremonial. You get that. Right? Because the convention is being help after the Ohio deadline and maybe 1-2 others to submit the nominee. And no one trusts Ohio Rs when they say they will make an exception and put the Dem nominee on the ballot despite that, especially now. So, the actual delegate voting will start no earlier than 8/1 and will be completed no later than 8/7, via a virtual convention. And as of last evening, Harris had well over the number of delegates she needs. She’ll get the nomination in a virtual vote next week. That plan was announced under Biden when it became clear Ohio might try to keep him off the ballot. And it was announced yesterday that was still the plan. As it should be. I don’t trust Ohio or a red state to put Harris on the ballot.

By the time we reach the convention, she’s been formally nominated for a couple of weeks and already had her name submitted to the states. The convention is just free prime time and speeches and tag rah go team.

Why is the convention so late? Good question. The incumbent party goes last, and they are programming against the Olympics.

They chose television programming over ballot deadlines, and you want me to vote for them with that kind of judgment?

Trump tweets our national intelligence details, but you think he has good judgement?

No, I don’t.

Moderates, swing voters, independents: you need our votes. For many of us, it isn’t a choice between Democrats and MAGA. It’s a choice between Democrats and staying home.

A lot of us haven’t seen the Democrats do enough to preserve what we care about: ending school shootings, protecting gay marriage from a Dobbs-type overturn, national healthcare, and reforms of so many basic social systems that have become rampantly predatory. They lost Roe. They didn’t do enough, they took it for granted, and they lost it, and I have zero faith that it won’t happen again. There is no anti-Project 2025 plan from the Democrats. There is a lot of fundraising against its spectre, but no plan.

And we see that if MAGA doesn’t win in 2024, it will only be a stay of execution; we will have Project 2029 instead.

Most of the Democrat voters don’t want to have this conversation, though. They want to assume I’m a MAGA follower for questioning what the Democrats are doing.

Dems cannot do what you want unless there is a majority in the House and a filibuster proof majority in the senate. So staying home means letting the GOP run roughshod over the country. How about supporting Dems and findng a handful of reasonable GOP who are willing to do something to protect human rights, and limit the damage the guns can do to our children.

Dems had this many times in the past decade +. They don’t pass anything progressive and left everything to the states to pass their own minimum wage and deal with abortion laws . Some of these states had abortion restrictions long before Dobbs in 2022.

This is due to Democratic failure

They had a filibuster proof majority for less than a year into Obama's first term at the start of one of the worst financial crises since the Great Depression. They got the ACA passed while seeking GOP buy in along with a stimulus act. Everything else was focused on getting us out of the next Great Depression, nitwit.

Yes, the bailout recycled from Bush that he passed bailing out the banks instead of jailing them and bailing out the homeowners . He used all that time to pass Romney care and extend Bush tax cuts for the rich (of course) then blamed young people/millennials for sitting out the midterms. The Dems have the audacity to blame progressives and young people . They sit out elections because they do nothing. Instead of fake tears over Sandy Hook, they should’ve passed assault weapon bans when they had the filibuster proof majorities which was often.

Republicans did not win the Senate and Congress at all and were decimated post-Bush and even Before in 2006. I remember Nancy Pelosi refused to impeach Bush over lying about Iraq but they all spent billions in tax payer funds to impeach Trump twice for paying porn stars and classified docs and failed

Filibuster proof majorities were there for far more than a year .

The Dems are nothing but a cluster f of disappointment to progressives pushed toward Trump like myself . The Dem Party deserves to burn to ash and rebuild from the beginning

The Democrats are a coalition of many interests. What has the GOP ever done for you? I'll wait. The sad thing is, they can just obstruct because, other than tax cuts and now mass deportations, they don't have any policies. Or rather, they don't have any popular policies. It's just easier to block the other side and say, "See government doesn't work. Vote for me!"

You are missing the lede. You aren’t talking to MAGA here. It’s not Dems vs MAGA. It’s Dems vs stay home.

We know you feel energized and hopeful. And that’s great! But we don’t. A Harris vote seems like kicking the can down the road. We turned out for HRC. We turned out for Biden-Harris. We still lost our rights and the Dems have shown us no plans to fight back, just asking us for cash and votes.

You know what, just stay home and suffer Project 202t.

Seriously.

I’m asking what the Dem plan is to codify law or otherwise prevent it from happening. Because if they don’t have a plan, and execute it, it’s coming.

But asking these questions is deeply unpopular.

It's stupid question that's been asked and answered numerous times. The Dems can't do anything by themselves unless and until they get a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate and retake the House.

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Anonymous wrote:Can Biden step down and hand Kamala the 47th presidency and she run as the incumbent?

If Biden isn't well enough to run, he's not well enough to lead. If Dems were genuinely as excited about Harris as posters here say, they would do this. That would lock in the nomination for Harris. Absent that, anything can happen in an open convention.

The convention is purely ceremonial. You get that. Right? Because the convention is being help after the Ohio deadline and maybe 1-2 others to submit the nominee. And no one trusts Ohio Rs when they say they will make an exception and put the Dem nominee on the ballot despite that, especially now. So, the actual delegate voting will start no earlier than 8/1 and will be completed no later than 8/7, via a virtual convention. And as of last evening, Harris had well over the number of delegates she needs. She’ll get the nomination in a virtual vote next week. That plan was announced under Biden when it became clear Ohio might try to keep him off the ballot. And it was announced yesterday that was still the plan. As it should be. I don’t trust Ohio or a red state to put Harris on the ballot.

By the time we reach the convention, she’s been formally nominated for a couple of weeks and already had her name submitted to the states. The convention is just free prime time and speeches and tag rah go team.

Why is the convention so late? Good question. The incumbent party goes last, and they are programming against the Olympics.

They chose television programming over ballot deadlines, and you want me to vote for them with that kind of judgment?

Trump tweets our national intelligence details, but you think he has good judgement?

No, I don’t.

Moderates, swing voters, independents: you need our votes. For many of us, it isn’t a choice between Democrats and MAGA. It’s a choice between Democrats and staying home.

A lot of us haven’t seen the Democrats do enough to preserve what we care about: ending school shootings, protecting gay marriage from a Dobbs-type overturn, national healthcare, and reforms of so many basic social systems that have become rampantly predatory. They lost Roe. They didn’t do enough, they took it for granted, and they lost it, and I have zero faith that it won’t happen again. There is no anti-Project 2025 plan from the Democrats. There is a lot of fundraising against its spectre, but no plan.

And we see that if MAGA doesn’t win in 2024, it will only be a stay of execution; we will have Project 2029 instead.

Most of the Democrat voters don’t want to have this conversation, though. They want to assume I’m a MAGA follower for questioning what the Democrats are doing.

No, I just want to point out that frequently the Democrats are trying but they’re being blocked the Republicans at every turn. The Democratic Party cannot single-handedly fix everything when they’re being rat snuggled by the GOP.

Do I get annoyed that our party plays by the rules and seems, generally, to lack the Machiavellian skills that the GOP has (the Biden pulling the rug out from the Let’s Go Brandon party notwithstanding; that was a masterstroke)? Hell yeah I do. But the GOP blocks everything and the gerrymandered states that limit the actual power of Democratic voters has me aware that unless we vote out the GOP in shocking numbers, it’s slow progress or go backwards. I’ll pick slow progress with the hope that the younger, invigorated Democrats like AOC and Jeffries push it forward faster.

I get that. But if the Democrats are consistently powerless, why should I keep donating to them? Why should I keep voting for them?

As far as I can tell, we ARE going backwards. We lost Roe. The candidate for the “good guys” dropped out last minute and his party planned a convention AFTER the ballot deadline.

Slow progress? Where?

Slow progress:

Affordable Care Act
CHIPS Act bringing jobs back to the US
IRA for new infrastructure and significant green economy funding

Just a start.

The ACA requires Americans to carry insurance but does not assure affordability. Then fines them if they can’t afford it.

It isn’t progress.

It is huge progress. A self employed person was basically out of luck for any health insurance in my state until that came along. It has been critical for entrepreneurs.

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Anonymous wrote:Can Biden step down and hand Kamala the 47th presidency and she run as the incumbent?

If Biden isn't well enough to run, he's not well enough to lead. If Dems were genuinely as excited about Harris as posters here say, they would do this. That would lock in the nomination for Harris. Absent that, anything can happen in an open convention.

The convention is purely ceremonial. You get that. Right? Because the convention is being help after the Ohio deadline and maybe 1-2 others to submit the nominee. And no one trusts Ohio Rs when they say they will make an exception and put the Dem nominee on the ballot despite that, especially now. So, the actual delegate voting will start no earlier than 8/1 and will be completed no later than 8/7, via a virtual convention. And as of last evening, Harris had well over the number of delegates she needs. She’ll get the nomination in a virtual vote next week. That plan was announced under Biden when it became clear Ohio might try to keep him off the ballot. And it was announced yesterday that was still the plan. As it should be. I don’t trust Ohio or a red state to put Harris on the ballot.

By the time we reach the convention, she’s been formally nominated for a couple of weeks and already had her name submitted to the states. The convention is just free prime time and speeches and tag rah go team.

Why is the convention so late? Good question. The incumbent party goes last, and they are programming against the Olympics.

They chose television programming over ballot deadlines, and you want me to vote for them with that kind of judgment?

Trump tweets our national intelligence details, but you think he has good judgement?

No, I don’t.

Moderates, swing voters, independents: you need our votes. For many of us, it isn’t a choice between Democrats and MAGA. It’s a choice between Democrats and staying home.

A lot of us haven’t seen the Democrats do enough to preserve what we care about: ending school shootings, protecting gay marriage from a Dobbs-type overturn, national healthcare, and reforms of so many basic social systems that have become rampantly predatory. They lost Roe. They didn’t do enough, they took it for granted, and they lost it, and I have zero faith that it won’t happen again. There is no anti-Project 2025 plan from the Democrats. There is a lot of fundraising against its spectre, but no plan.

And we see that if MAGA doesn’t win in 2024, it will only be a stay of execution; we will have Project 2029 instead.

Most of the Democrat voters don’t want to have this conversation, though. They want to assume I’m a MAGA follower for questioning what the Democrats are doing.

Dems cannot do what you want unless there is a majority in the House and a filibuster proof majority in the senate. So staying home means letting the GOP run roughshod over the country. How about supporting Dems and findng a handful of reasonable GOP who are willing to do something to protect human rights, and limit the damage the guns can do to our children.

Dems had this many times in the past decade +. They don’t pass anything progressive and left everything to the states to pass their own minimum wage and deal with abortion laws . Some of these states had abortion restrictions long before Dobbs in 2022.

This is due to Democratic failure

They had a filibuster proof majority for less than a year into Obama's first term at the start of one of the worst financial crises since the Great Depression. They got the ACA passed while seeking GOP buy in along with a stimulus act. Everything else was focused on getting us out of the next Great Depression, nitwit.

Yes, the bailout recycled from Bush that he passed bailing out the banks instead of jailing them and bailing out the homeowners . He used all that time to pass Romney care and extend Bush tax cuts for the rich (of course) then blamed young people/millennials for sitting out the midterms. The Dems have the audacity to blame progressives and young people . They sit out elections because they do nothing. Instead of fake tears over Sandy Hook, they should’ve passed assault weapon bans when they had the filibuster proof majorities which was often.

Republicans did not win the Senate and Congress at all and were decimated post-Bush and even Before in 2006. I remember Nancy Pelosi refused to impeach Bush over lying about Iraq but they all spent billions in tax payer funds to impeach Trump twice for paying porn stars and classified docs and failed

Filibuster proof majorities were there for far more than a year .

The Dems are nothing but a cluster f of disappointment to progressives pushed toward Trump like myself . The Dem Party deserves to burn to ash and rebuild from the beginning

The Democrats are a coalition of many interests. What has the GOP ever done for you? I'll wait. The sad thing is, they can just obstruct because, other than tax cuts and now mass deportations, they don't have any policies. Or rather, they don't have any popular policies. It's just easier to block the other side and say, "See government doesn't work. Vote for me!"

You are missing the lede. You aren’t talking to MAGA here. It’s not Dems vs MAGA. It’s Dems vs stay home.

We know you feel energized and hopeful. And that’s great! But we don’t. A Harris vote seems like kicking the can down the road. We turned out for HRC. We turned out for Biden-Harris. We still lost our rights and the Dems have shown us no plans to fight back, just asking us for cash and votes.

You know what, just stay home and suffer Project 202t.

Seriously.

I’m asking what the Dem plan is to codify law or otherwise prevent it from happening. Because if they don’t have a plan, and execute it, it’s coming.

But asking these questions is deeply unpopular.

They will need to hope one or two conservative justices leave the SCOTUS or in the alternative develop a plan that the GOP would support to expand the court to cover all of the circuit courts.
They will need to pass a lot of legislation codifying our norms and practices, some of which may need GOP support.

Beyond that, they will need to continue to act with decency and hope the American public values that, and then levies the same expectation of behavior on the right.

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Anonymous wrote:Can Biden step down and hand Kamala the 47th presidency and she run as the incumbent?

If Biden isn't well enough to run, he's not well enough to lead. If Dems were genuinely as excited about Harris as posters here say, they would do this. That would lock in the nomination for Harris. Absent that, anything can happen in an open convention.

The convention is purely ceremonial. You get that. Right? Because the convention is being help after the Ohio deadline and maybe 1-2 others to submit the nominee. And no one trusts Ohio Rs when they say they will make an exception and put the Dem nominee on the ballot despite that, especially now. So, the actual delegate voting will start no earlier than 8/1 and will be completed no later than 8/7, via a virtual convention. And as of last evening, Harris had well over the number of delegates she needs. She’ll get the nomination in a virtual vote next week. That plan was announced under Biden when it became clear Ohio might try to keep him off the ballot. And it was announced yesterday that was still the plan. As it should be. I don’t trust Ohio or a red state to put Harris on the ballot.

By the time we reach the convention, she’s been formally nominated for a couple of weeks and already had her name submitted to the states. The convention is just free prime time and speeches and tag rah go team.

Why is the convention so late? Good question. The incumbent party goes last, and they are programming against the Olympics.

They chose television programming over ballot deadlines, and you want me to vote for them with that kind of judgment?

Trump tweets our national intelligence details, but you think he has good judgement?

No, I don’t.

Moderates, swing voters, independents: you need our votes. For many of us, it isn’t a choice between Democrats and MAGA. It’s a choice between Democrats and staying home.

A lot of us haven’t seen the Democrats do enough to preserve what we care about: ending school shootings, protecting gay marriage from a Dobbs-type overturn, national healthcare, and reforms of so many basic social systems that have become rampantly predatory. They lost Roe. They didn’t do enough, they took it for granted, and they lost it, and I have zero faith that it won’t happen again. There is no anti-Project 2025 plan from the Democrats. There is a lot of fundraising against its spectre, but no plan.

And we see that if MAGA doesn’t win in 2024, it will only be a stay of execution; we will have Project 2029 instead.

Most of the Democrat voters don’t want to have this conversation, though. They want to assume I’m a MAGA follower for questioning what the Democrats are doing.

No, I just want to point out that frequently the Democrats are trying but they’re being blocked the Republicans at every turn. The Democratic Party cannot single-handedly fix everything when they’re being rat snuggled by the GOP.

Do I get annoyed that our party plays by the rules and seems, generally, to lack the Machiavellian skills that the GOP has (the Biden pulling the rug out from the Let’s Go Brandon party notwithstanding; that was a masterstroke)? Hell yeah I do. But the GOP blocks everything and the gerrymandered states that limit the actual power of Democratic voters has me aware that unless we vote out the GOP in shocking numbers, it’s slow progress or go backwards. I’ll pick slow progress with the hope that the younger, invigorated Democrats like AOC and Jeffries push it forward faster.

I get that. But if the Democrats are consistently powerless, why should I keep donating to them? Why should I keep voting for them?

As far as I can tell, we ARE going backwards. We lost Roe. The candidate for the “good guys” dropped out last minute and his party planned a convention AFTER the ballot deadline.

Slow progress? Where?

Slow progress:

Affordable Care Act
CHIPS Act bringing jobs back to the US
IRA for new infrastructure and significant green economy funding

Just a start.

The ACA requires Americans to carry insurance but does not assure affordability. Then fines them if they can’t afford it.

It isn’t progress.

It is huge progress. A self employed person was basically out of luck for any health insurance in my state until that came along. It has been critical for entrepreneurs.

Indeed, here's a life long R business owner from AZ who thanked Obama from the bottom of his heart for ACA.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/arizona/2017/01/14/sedona-jeff-jeans-obamacare-aca-cnn-paul-ryan/96553138/

And this is why Rs couldn't get rid of ACA. Still waiting for Trump to provide a great replacement for ACA.

I am also self employed.

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Anonymous wrote:Can Biden step down and hand Kamala the 47th presidency and she run as the incumbent?

If Biden isn't well enough to run, he's not well enough to lead. If Dems were genuinely as excited about Harris as posters here say, they would do this. That would lock in the nomination for Harris. Absent that, anything can happen in an open convention.

The convention is purely ceremonial. You get that. Right? Because the convention is being help after the Ohio deadline and maybe 1-2 others to submit the nominee. And no one trusts Ohio Rs when they say they will make an exception and put the Dem nominee on the ballot despite that, especially now. So, the actual delegate voting will start no earlier than 8/1 and will be completed no later than 8/7, via a virtual convention. And as of last evening, Harris had well over the number of delegates she needs. She’ll get the nomination in a virtual vote next week. That plan was announced under Biden when it became clear Ohio might try to keep him off the ballot. And it was announced yesterday that was still the plan. As it should be. I don’t trust Ohio or a red state to put Harris on the ballot.

By the time we reach the convention, she’s been formally nominated for a couple of weeks and already had her name submitted to the states. The convention is just free prime time and speeches and tag rah go team.

Why is the convention so late? Good question. The incumbent party goes last, and they are programming against the Olympics.

They chose television programming over ballot deadlines, and you want me to vote for them with that kind of judgment?

Trump tweets our national intelligence details, but you think he has good judgement?

No, I don’t.

Moderates, swing voters, independents: you need our votes. For many of us, it isn’t a choice between Democrats and MAGA. It’s a choice between Democrats and staying home.

A lot of us haven’t seen the Democrats do enough to preserve what we care about: ending school shootings, protecting gay marriage from a Dobbs-type overturn, national healthcare, and reforms of so many basic social systems that have become rampantly predatory. They lost Roe. They didn’t do enough, they took it for granted, and they lost it, and I have zero faith that it won’t happen again. There is no anti-Project 2025 plan from the Democrats. There is a lot of fundraising against its spectre, but no plan.

And we see that if MAGA doesn’t win in 2024, it will only be a stay of execution; we will have Project 2029 instead.

Most of the Democrat voters don’t want to have this conversation, though. They want to assume I’m a MAGA follower for questioning what the Democrats are doing.

Dems cannot do what you want unless there is a majority in the House and a filibuster proof majority in the senate. So staying home means letting the GOP run roughshod over the country. How about supporting Dems and findng a handful of reasonable GOP who are willing to do something to protect human rights, and limit the damage the guns can do to our children.

Dems had this many times in the past decade +. They don’t pass anything progressive and left everything to the states to pass their own minimum wage and deal with abortion laws . Some of these states had abortion restrictions long before Dobbs in 2022.

This is due to Democratic failure

They had a filibuster proof majority for less than a year into Obama's first term at the start of one of the worst financial crises since the Great Depression. They got the ACA passed while seeking GOP buy in along with a stimulus act. Everything else was focused on getting us out of the next Great Depression, nitwit.

Yes, the bailout recycled from Bush that he passed bailing out the banks instead of jailing them and bailing out the homeowners . He used all that time to pass Romney care and extend Bush tax cuts for the rich (of course) then blamed young people/millennials for sitting out the midterms. The Dems have the audacity to blame progressives and young people . They sit out elections because they do nothing. Instead of fake tears over Sandy Hook, they should’ve passed assault weapon bans when they had the filibuster proof majorities which was often.

Republicans did not win the Senate and Congress at all and were decimated post-Bush and even Before in 2006. I remember Nancy Pelosi refused to impeach Bush over lying about Iraq but they all spent billions in tax payer funds to impeach Trump twice for paying porn stars and classified docs and failed

Filibuster proof majorities were there for far more than a year .

The Dems are nothing but a cluster f of disappointment to progressives pushed toward Trump like myself . The Dem Party deserves to burn to ash and rebuild from the beginning

The Democrats are a coalition of many interests. What has the GOP ever done for you? I'll wait. The sad thing is, they can just obstruct because, other than tax cuts and now mass deportations, they don't have any policies. Or rather, they don't have any popular policies. It's just easier to block the other side and say, "See government doesn't work. Vote for me!"

You are missing the lede. You aren’t talking to MAGA here. It’s not Dems vs MAGA. It’s Dems vs stay home.

We know you feel energized and hopeful. And that’s great! But we don’t. A Harris vote seems like kicking the can down the road. We turned out for HRC. We turned out for Biden-Harris. We still lost our rights and the Dems have shown us no plans to fight back, just asking us for cash and votes.

The best thing we can all do is make sure she has the House and Senate with Senators who will bypass the filibuster. Other thank that, what do you want? Be specific.

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Anonymous wrote:Can Biden step down and hand Kamala the 47th presidency and she run as the incumbent?

If Biden isn't well enough to run, he's not well enough to lead. If Dems were genuinely as excited about Harris as posters here say, they would do this. That would lock in the nomination for Harris. Absent that, anything can happen in an open convention.

The convention is purely ceremonial. You get that. Right? Because the convention is being help after the Ohio deadline and maybe 1-2 others to submit the nominee. And no one trusts Ohio Rs when they say they will make an exception and put the Dem nominee on the ballot despite that, especially now. So, the actual delegate voting will start no earlier than 8/1 and will be completed no later than 8/7, via a virtual convention. And as of last evening, Harris had well over the number of delegates she needs. She’ll get the nomination in a virtual vote next week. That plan was announced under Biden when it became clear Ohio might try to keep him off the ballot. And it was announced yesterday that was still the plan. As it should be. I don’t trust Ohio or a red state to put Harris on the ballot.

By the time we reach the convention, she’s been formally nominated for a couple of weeks and already had her name submitted to the states. The convention is just free prime time and speeches and tag rah go team.

Why is the convention so late? Good question. The incumbent party goes last, and they are programming against the Olympics.

They chose television programming over ballot deadlines, and you want me to vote for them with that kind of judgment?

Trump tweets our national intelligence details, but you think he has good judgement?

No, I don’t.

Moderates, swing voters, independents: you need our votes. For many of us, it isn’t a choice between Democrats and MAGA. It’s a choice between Democrats and staying home.

A lot of us haven’t seen the Democrats do enough to preserve what we care about: ending school shootings, protecting gay marriage from a Dobbs-type overturn, national healthcare, and reforms of so many basic social systems that have become rampantly predatory. They lost Roe. They didn’t do enough, they took it for granted, and they lost it, and I have zero faith that it won’t happen again. There is no anti-Project 2025 plan from the Democrats. There is a lot of fundraising against its spectre, but no plan.

And we see that if MAGA doesn’t win in 2024, it will only be a stay of execution; we will have Project 2029 instead.

Most of the Democrat voters don’t want to have this conversation, though. They want to assume I’m a MAGA follower for questioning what the Democrats are doing.

Dems cannot do what you want unless there is a majority in the House and a filibuster proof majority in the senate. So staying home means letting the GOP run roughshod over the country. How about supporting Dems and findng a handful of reasonable GOP who are willing to do something to protect human rights, and limit the damage the guns can do to our children.

Dems had this many times in the past decade +. They don’t pass anything progressive and left everything to the states to pass their own minimum wage and deal with abortion laws . Some of these states had abortion restrictions long before Dobbs in 2022.

This is due to Democratic failure

They had a filibuster proof majority for less than a year into Obama's first term at the start of one of the worst financial crises since the Great Depression. They got the ACA passed while seeking GOP buy in along with a stimulus act. Everything else was focused on getting us out of the next Great Depression, nitwit.

Yes, the bailout recycled from Bush that he passed bailing out the banks instead of jailing them and bailing out the homeowners . He used all that time to pass Romney care and extend Bush tax cuts for the rich (of course) then blamed young people/millennials for sitting out the midterms. The Dems have the audacity to blame progressives and young people . They sit out elections because they do nothing. Instead of fake tears over Sandy Hook, they should’ve passed assault weapon bans when they had the filibuster proof majorities which was often.

Republicans did not win the Senate and Congress at all and were decimated post-Bush and even Before in 2006. I remember Nancy Pelosi refused to impeach Bush over lying about Iraq but they all spent billions in tax payer funds to impeach Trump twice for paying porn stars and classified docs and failed

Filibuster proof majorities were there for far more than a year .

The Dems are nothing but a cluster f of disappointment to progressives pushed toward Trump like myself . The Dem Party deserves to burn to ash and rebuild from the beginning

The Democrats are a coalition of many interests. What has the GOP ever done for you? I'll wait. The sad thing is, they can just obstruct because, other than tax cuts and now mass deportations, they don't have any policies. Or rather, they don't have any popular policies. It's just easier to block the other side and say, "See government doesn't work. Vote for me!"

You are missing the lede. You aren’t talking to MAGA here. It’s not Dems vs MAGA. It’s Dems vs stay home.

We know you feel energized and hopeful. And that’s great! But we don’t. A Harris vote seems like kicking the can down the road. We turned out for HRC. We turned out for Biden-Harris. We still lost our rights and the Dems have shown us no plans to fight back, just asking us for cash and votes.

You know what, just stay home and suffer Project 202t.

Seriously.

I’m asking what the Dem plan is to codify law or otherwise prevent it from happening. Because if they don’t have a plan, and execute it, it’s coming.

But asking these questions is deeply unpopular.

I answered you earlier and you didn’t respond

And if they don’t there will at minimum be:

1. Robust defense of the abortion pill against the crazies trying to get the FDA to revoke its approval.
2. Support for people who need to travel between states for abortion and no bans on women’s travel.
3. Appointment of justices who believe women’s healthcare should be protected.

Yeah this isn’t enough— but it’s so much better than what we’d get under Trump.

Which of these don’t deserve your support? We can vote from home now— you can’t fill out a paper form to protect access to the abortion pill?