Protests on college campuses

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Anonymous wrote:Long story short, it is the right of American citizens to protest, if it doesn’t suit a certain narrative then it’s not their problem. If these kids want to protest, then they have every right to do so, there is a big Zionist lobby that has tried to control every opinion and aspect of this conflict since 10/7 and anyone not agreeing with Israel is promptly labeled antisemitic. Frankly, it’s nauseating.


It is their right. But their pro-Hamas protests win no hearts or minds.


The right wingers and administrators who are siccing the cops on them aren’t winning any hearts and minds either.


They are breaking the law by violently protesting, accosting police, and trespassing. Yet you think there should be no consequences? Of course you do. This is why normal, sane people think you are crazy.


This started with a bunch of dumb college kids camping in tents holding signs. The administration could have just ignored them and let them be stupid. They overreacted and made this a power game.


+1. It’s like University Presidents are CEOs with no actual understanding of college kids.

I talked to my college kid (on a so far protest free campus, thank goodness) last weekend. They were having trouble with a housemate’s behavior. And I reminded them that we weren’t in September, when a permanent solution to the behavior was needed to avoid an unpleasant school year. Instead, a light touch and keeping the peach for 10 days would get them through finals and that they weren’t scheduled to room with that person next year.

Columbia’s President kow-towed to the extreme right in Congress, because they had cancelled prior university presidents. And then followed through by dealing with theColumbia protestors with a heavy hand *from a war room in DC* with no attempts to deescalate or contain the protestors first. And it backfired bigly. Anyone who actual knows college kids could have told her that would happen. She massively over reacted, and there was a backlash.

There is an alternative universe where she ignored the students and dealt with any specific behaviors that were actually violent or threatening (as opposed to expressing a distasteful viewpoint or being annoying, which is the point of protest and is protected under 1A). Had professors flunk kids who didn’t show up for finals. And issued trespassing citations and cut off campus building key card access for kids who were not off campus within 24-48 hours after their last final (the rule at my kids college). And most of the kids would have dispersed before commencement.

Then she doubled down on what didn’t work yesterday, and now they took over a campus building.

It’s like she had no understanding of college kids and is a Fortune 500 CEO primarily there to make donors happy and have an occasional orchestrated photo op with students. Because that’s what she is.

I have no idea why she did not just ignore them as group until the end of the semester, discipline only bad actors, and wait for summer DP vacation, when everyone could take a breath and calm down.

Stupid. What she did was stupid. Divorced from the reality of how 18-22 year olds think annd operate. And seemed designed to cause more problems than it solved.



I agree with a lot of this. But two extra points: the place where the encampment occupied yesterday is the site of commencement, which takes weeks of preparation. Either the encampment or commencement needs to move, immediately. And also, these tent cities, these encampments, are, either unintentionally or by design, are particularly offensive the way they resemble the current, intractable, homeless tent cities occupying cities all over the country. Cities are grappling with how to properly deal with homeless tent cities amid conflicting laws, safety, compassion, and irate citizens. And now students are doing it too? They may not realize exactly how negatively tent encampments may be perceived.


Occupying the commencement location is an actual problem, and an alternative site should be provided.

Demonstrating in an offensive manner isn’t illegal and is a core tenant of 1A. I’m a lawyer, and I firmly believe in our constitutional rights— all of them— not just the ones that involve guns. In this country you get to be offensive. And after 7 year of “F—- your feelings,” I would think the right would get that. The red hat brigade is offensive and triggering to me. Does not mean they should be punished, or even removed from the restaurant, park or campus where I am. Instead, I need to act like an adult and ignore them. Pitching a temper tantrum every time I see a F—- Biden sign or red hat just plays into MAGA’s hands.

So stop being snowflakes. And ignore the protestors unless they are actually violent or threatening. Not give you the bad feels. Engaging in illegal behavior.
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Anonymous wrote:Long story short, it is the right of American citizens to protest, if it doesn’t suit a certain narrative then it’s not their problem. If these kids want to protest, then they have every right to do so, there is a big Zionist lobby that has tried to control every opinion and aspect of this conflict since 10/7 and anyone not agreeing with Israel is promptly labeled antisemitic. Frankly, it’s nauseating.


It is their right. But their pro-Hamas protests win no hearts or minds.


The right wingers and administrators who are siccing the cops on them aren’t winning any hearts and minds either.


They are breaking the law by violently protesting, accosting police, and trespassing. Yet you think there should be no consequences? Of course you do. This is why normal, sane people think you are crazy.


This started with a bunch of dumb college kids camping in tents holding signs. The administration could have just ignored them and let them be stupid. They overreacted and made this a power game.


+1. It’s like University Presidents are CEOs with no actual understanding of college kids.

I talked to my college kid (on a so far protest free campus, thank goodness) last weekend. They were having trouble with a housemate’s behavior. And I reminded them that we weren’t in September, when a permanent solution to the behavior was needed to avoid an unpleasant school year. Instead, a light touch and keeping the peach for 10 days would get them through finals and that they weren’t scheduled to room with that person next year.

Columbia’s President kow-towed to the extreme right in Congress, because they had cancelled prior university presidents. And then followed through by dealing with theColumbia protestors with a heavy hand *from a war room in DC* with no attempts to deescalate or contain the protestors first. And it backfired bigly. Anyone who actual knows college kids could have told her that would happen. She massively over reacted, and there was a backlash.

There is an alternative universe where she ignored the students and dealt with any specific behaviors that were actually violent or threatening (as opposed to expressing a distasteful viewpoint or being annoying, which is the point of protest and is protected under 1A). Had professors flunk kids who didn’t show up for finals. And issued trespassing citations and cut off campus building key card access for kids who were not off campus within 24-48 hours after their last final (the rule at my kids college). And most of the kids would have dispersed before commencement.

Then she doubled down on what didn’t work yesterday, and now they took over a campus building.

It’s like she had no understanding of college kids and is a Fortune 500 CEO primarily there to make donors happy and have an occasional orchestrated photo op with students. Because that’s what she is.

I have no idea why she did not just ignore them as group until the end of the semester, discipline only bad actors, and wait for summer DP vacation, when everyone could take a breath and calm down.

Stupid. What she did was stupid. Divorced from the reality of how 18-22 year olds think annd operate. And seemed designed to cause more problems than it solved.




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The issue is not the topic of the protest which no university should really express an opinion on. The issue is the disruption of other students rights to an education, any possible violence against others, non participation by the protesters in their schoolwork and occupation of a building. These individual actions should be dealt with. But whatever they are protesting is not the point. And they made it the point. It’s like they never dealt with kids before.


Part of the issue is that some faculty have also expressed solidarity with the political points of the protestors. Which was dumb of them.


Maybe. But faculty, especially tenured faculty, have 1A rights too. The people who need to be viewpoint neutral are administrators making decisions about how to respond. Not faculty who have opinions you dislike.
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Anonymous wrote:Long story short, it is the right of American citizens to protest, if it doesn’t suit a certain narrative then it’s not their problem. If these kids want to protest, then they have every right to do so, there is a big Zionist lobby that has tried to control every opinion and aspect of this conflict since 10/7 and anyone not agreeing with Israel is promptly labeled antisemitic. Frankly, it’s nauseating.


It is their right. But their pro-Hamas protests win no hearts or minds.


The right wingers and administrators who are siccing the cops on them aren’t winning any hearts and minds either.


They are breaking the law by violently protesting, accosting police, and trespassing. Yet you think there should be no consequences? Of course you do. This is why normal, sane people think you are crazy.


This started with a bunch of dumb college kids camping in tents holding signs. The administration could have just ignored them and let them be stupid. They overreacted and made this a power game.


+1. It’s like University Presidents are CEOs with no actual understanding of college kids.

I talked to my college kid (on a so far protest free campus, thank goodness) last weekend. They were having trouble with a housemate’s behavior. And I reminded them that we weren’t in September, when a permanent solution to the behavior was needed to avoid an unpleasant school year. Instead, a light touch and keeping the peach for 10 days would get them through finals and that they weren’t scheduled to room with that person next year.

Columbia’s President kow-towed to the extreme right in Congress, because they had cancelled prior university presidents. And then followed through by dealing with theColumbia protestors with a heavy hand *from a war room in DC* with no attempts to deescalate or contain the protestors first. And it backfired bigly. Anyone who actual knows college kids could have told her that would happen. She massively over reacted, and there was a backlash.

There is an alternative universe where she ignored the students and dealt with any specific behaviors that were actually violent or threatening (as opposed to expressing a distasteful viewpoint or being annoying, which is the point of protest and is protected under 1A). Had professors flunk kids who didn’t show up for finals. And issued trespassing citations and cut off campus building key card access for kids who were not off campus within 24-48 hours after their last final (the rule at my kids college). And most of the kids would have dispersed before commencement.

Then she doubled down on what didn’t work yesterday, and now they took over a campus building.

It’s like she had no understanding of college kids and is a Fortune 500 CEO primarily there to make donors happy and have an occasional orchestrated photo op with students. Because that’s what she is.

I have no idea why she did not just ignore them as group until the end of the semester, discipline only bad actors, and wait for summer DP vacation, when everyone could take a breath and calm down.

Stupid. What she did was stupid. Divorced from the reality of how 18-22 year olds think annd operate. And seemed designed to cause more problems than it solved.



I agree with a lot of this. But two extra points: the place where the encampment occupied yesterday is the site of commencement, which takes weeks of preparation. Either the encampment or commencement needs to move, immediately. And also, these tent cities, these encampments, are, either unintentionally or by design, are particularly offensive the way they resemble the current, intractable, homeless tent cities occupying cities all over the country. Cities are grappling with how to properly deal with homeless tent cities amid conflicting laws, safety, compassion, and irate citizens. And now students are doing it too? They may not realize exactly how negatively tent encampments may be perceived.


Occupying the commencement location is an actual problem, and an alternative site should be provided.

Demonstrating in an offensive manner isn’t illegal and is a core tenant of 1A. I’m a lawyer, and I firmly believe in our constitutional rights— all of them— not just the ones that involve guns. In this country you get to be offensive. And after 7 year of “F—- your feelings,” I would think the right would get that. The red hat brigade is offensive and triggering to me. Does not mean they should be punished, or even removed from the restaurant, park or campus where I am. Instead, I need to act like an adult and ignore them. Pitching a temper tantrum every time I see a F—- Biden sign or red hat just plays into MAGA’s hands.

So stop being snowflakes. And ignore the protestors unless they are actually violent or threatening. Not give you the bad feels. Engaging in illegal behavior.


They do NOT have the right to occupy parts of campus and not allow others to access it.
It is hard to ignore these idiots when they have illegally occupied a building on campus, and may attempt to occupy more.
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Anonymous wrote:Long story short, it is the right of American citizens to protest, if it doesn’t suit a certain narrative then it’s not their problem. If these kids want to protest, then they have every right to do so, there is a big Zionist lobby that has tried to control every opinion and aspect of this conflict since 10/7 and anyone not agreeing with Israel is promptly labeled antisemitic. Frankly, it’s nauseating.


It is their right. But their pro-Hamas protests win no hearts or minds.


The right wingers and administrators who are siccing the cops on them aren’t winning any hearts and minds either.


They are breaking the law by violently protesting, accosting police, and trespassing. Yet you think there should be no consequences? Of course you do. This is why normal, sane people think you are crazy.


This started with a bunch of dumb college kids camping in tents holding signs. The administration could have just ignored them and let them be stupid. They overreacted and made this a power game.


+1. It’s like University Presidents are CEOs with no actual understanding of college kids.

I talked to my college kid (on a so far protest free campus, thank goodness) last weekend. They were having trouble with a housemate’s behavior. And I reminded them that we weren’t in September, when a permanent solution to the behavior was needed to avoid an unpleasant school year. Instead, a light touch and keeping the peach for 10 days would get them through finals and that they weren’t scheduled to room with that person next year.

Columbia’s President kow-towed to the extreme right in Congress, because they had cancelled prior university presidents. And then followed through by dealing with theColumbia protestors with a heavy hand *from a war room in DC* with no attempts to deescalate or contain the protestors first. And it backfired bigly. Anyone who actual knows college kids could have told her that would happen. She massively over reacted, and there was a backlash.

There is an alternative universe where she ignored the students and dealt with any specific behaviors that were actually violent or threatening (as opposed to expressing a distasteful viewpoint or being annoying, which is the point of protest and is protected under 1A). Had professors flunk kids who didn’t show up for finals. And issued trespassing citations and cut off campus building key card access for kids who were not off campus within 24-48 hours after their last final (the rule at my kids college). And most of the kids would have dispersed before commencement.

Then she doubled down on what didn’t work yesterday, and now they took over a campus building.

It’s like she had no understanding of college kids and is a Fortune 500 CEO primarily there to make donors happy and have an occasional orchestrated photo op with students. Because that’s what she is.

I have no idea why she did not just ignore them as group until the end of the semester, discipline only bad actors, and wait for summer DP vacation, when everyone could take a breath and calm down.

Stupid. What she did was stupid. Divorced from the reality of how 18-22 year olds think annd operate. And seemed designed to cause more problems than it solved.




+1000

The issue is not the topic of the protest which no university should really express an opinion on. The issue is the disruption of other students rights to an education, any possible violence against others, non participation by the protesters in their schoolwork and occupation of a building. These individual actions should be dealt with. But whatever they are protesting is not the point. And they made it the point. It’s like they never dealt with kids before.


Part of the issue is that some faculty have also expressed solidarity with the political points of the protestors. Which was dumb of them.


Yep.
Frankly, these faculty members should be fired.



Why? They are adults and they get to have an opinion— unless they are involved in the response and disciplinary effort by the University. If an admin in that role was there, I would agree with you.
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I never thought I'd see this in my lifetime. And I doubt if all those people breaking windows and occupying the admin building at Columbia are actually students. Notice they wear masks

Just a classic case of intersectionality and the left eating its own.
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Anonymous wrote:Long story short, it is the right of American citizens to protest, if it doesn’t suit a certain narrative then it’s not their problem. If these kids want to protest, then they have every right to do so, there is a big Zionist lobby that has tried to control every opinion and aspect of this conflict since 10/7 and anyone not agreeing with Israel is promptly labeled antisemitic. Frankly, it’s nauseating.


It is their right. But their pro-Hamas protests win no hearts or minds.


The right wingers and administrators who are siccing the cops on them aren’t winning any hearts and minds either.


They are breaking the law by violently protesting, accosting police, and trespassing. Yet you think there should be no consequences? Of course you do. This is why normal, sane people think you are crazy.


This started with a bunch of dumb college kids camping in tents holding signs. The administration could have just ignored them and let them be stupid. They overreacted and made this a power game.


+1. It’s like University Presidents are CEOs with no actual understanding of college kids.

I talked to my college kid (on a so far protest free campus, thank goodness) last weekend. They were having trouble with a housemate’s behavior. And I reminded them that we weren’t in September, when a permanent solution to the behavior was needed to avoid an unpleasant school year. Instead, a light touch and keeping the peach for 10 days would get them through finals and that they weren’t scheduled to room with that person next year.

Columbia’s President kow-towed to the extreme right in Congress, because they had cancelled prior university presidents. And then followed through by dealing with theColumbia protestors with a heavy hand *from a war room in DC* with no attempts to deescalate or contain the protestors first. And it backfired bigly. Anyone who actual knows college kids could have told her that would happen. She massively over reacted, and there was a backlash.

There is an alternative universe where she ignored the students and dealt with any specific behaviors that were actually violent or threatening (as opposed to expressing a distasteful viewpoint or being annoying, which is the point of protest and is protected under 1A). Had professors flunk kids who didn’t show up for finals. And issued trespassing citations and cut off campus building key card access for kids who were not off campus within 24-48 hours after their last final (the rule at my kids college). And most of the kids would have dispersed before commencement.

Then she doubled down on what didn’t work yesterday, and now they took over a campus building.

It’s like she had no understanding of college kids and is a Fortune 500 CEO primarily there to make donors happy and have an occasional orchestrated photo op with students. Because that’s what she is.

I have no idea why she did not just ignore them as group until the end of the semester, discipline only bad actors, and wait for summer DP vacation, when everyone could take a breath and calm down.

Stupid. What she did was stupid. Divorced from the reality of how 18-22 year olds think annd operate. And seemed designed to cause more problems than it solved.




+1000

The issue is not the topic of the protest which no university should really express an opinion on. The issue is the disruption of other students rights to an education, any possible violence against others, non participation by the protesters in their schoolwork and occupation of a building. These individual actions should be dealt with. But whatever they are protesting is not the point. And they made it the point. It’s like they never dealt with kids before.


Part of the issue is that some faculty have also expressed solidarity with the political points of the protestors. Which was dumb of them.


Maybe. But faculty, especially tenured faculty, have 1A rights too. The people who need to be viewpoint neutral are administrators making decisions about how to respond. Not faculty who have opinions you dislike.


Some of this faulty are aiding and abetting the illegal activity of protesters. They, too, should be arrested.
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Anonymous wrote:Long story short, it is the right of American citizens to protest, if it doesn’t suit a certain narrative then it’s not their problem. If these kids want to protest, then they have every right to do so, there is a big Zionist lobby that has tried to control every opinion and aspect of this conflict since 10/7 and anyone not agreeing with Israel is promptly labeled antisemitic. Frankly, it’s nauseating.


It is their right. But their pro-Hamas protests win no hearts or minds.


The right wingers and administrators who are siccing the cops on them aren’t winning any hearts and minds either.


They are breaking the law by violently protesting, accosting police, and trespassing. Yet you think there should be no consequences? Of course you do. This is why normal, sane people think you are crazy.


This started with a bunch of dumb college kids camping in tents holding signs. The administration could have just ignored them and let them be stupid. They overreacted and made this a power game.


+1. It’s like University Presidents are CEOs with no actual understanding of college kids.

I talked to my college kid (on a so far protest free campus, thank goodness) last weekend. They were having trouble with a housemate’s behavior. And I reminded them that we weren’t in September, when a permanent solution to the behavior was needed to avoid an unpleasant school year. Instead, a light touch and keeping the peach for 10 days would get them through finals and that they weren’t scheduled to room with that person next year.

Columbia’s President kow-towed to the extreme right in Congress, because they had cancelled prior university presidents. And then followed through by dealing with theColumbia protestors with a heavy hand *from a war room in DC* with no attempts to deescalate or contain the protestors first. And it backfired bigly. Anyone who actual knows college kids could have told her that would happen. She massively over reacted, and there was a backlash.

There is an alternative universe where she ignored the students and dealt with any specific behaviors that were actually violent or threatening (as opposed to expressing a distasteful viewpoint or being annoying, which is the point of protest and is protected under 1A). Had professors flunk kids who didn’t show up for finals. And issued trespassing citations and cut off campus building key card access for kids who were not off campus within 24-48 hours after their last final (the rule at my kids college). And most of the kids would have dispersed before commencement.

Then she doubled down on what didn’t work yesterday, and now they took over a campus building.

It’s like she had no understanding of college kids and is a Fortune 500 CEO primarily there to make donors happy and have an occasional orchestrated photo op with students. Because that’s what she is.

I have no idea why she did not just ignore them as group until the end of the semester, discipline only bad actors, and wait for summer DP vacation, when everyone could take a breath and calm down.

Stupid. What she did was stupid. Divorced from the reality of how 18-22 year olds think annd operate. And seemed designed to cause more problems than it solved.




+1000

The issue is not the topic of the protest which no university should really express an opinion on. The issue is the disruption of other students rights to an education, any possible violence against others, non participation by the protesters in their schoolwork and occupation of a building. These individual actions should be dealt with. But whatever they are protesting is not the point. And they made it the point. It’s like they never dealt with kids before.


Part of the issue is that some faculty have also expressed solidarity with the political points of the protestors. Which was dumb of them.


Yep.
Frankly, these faculty members should be fired.



Why? They are adults and they get to have an opinion— unless they are involved in the response and disciplinary effort by the University. If an admin in that role was there, I would agree with you.


This happened AFTER the administration issued an order to vacate the grounds.
These faculty members are aiding and abetting these protesters.
They should be fired, at the minimum. Probably arrested as well.
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Anonymous wrote:Long story short, it is the right of American citizens to protest, if it doesn’t suit a certain narrative then it’s not their problem. If these kids want to protest, then they have every right to do so, there is a big Zionist lobby that has tried to control every opinion and aspect of this conflict since 10/7 and anyone not agreeing with Israel is promptly labeled antisemitic. Frankly, it’s nauseating.


It is their right. But their pro-Hamas protests win no hearts or minds.


The right wingers and administrators who are siccing the cops on them aren’t winning any hearts and minds either.


They are breaking the law by violently protesting, accosting police, and trespassing. Yet you think there should be no consequences? Of course you do. This is why normal, sane people think you are crazy.


This started with a bunch of dumb college kids camping in tents holding signs. The administration could have just ignored them and let them be stupid. They overreacted and made this a power game.


+1. It’s like University Presidents are CEOs with no actual understanding of college kids.

I talked to my college kid (on a so far protest free campus, thank goodness) last weekend. They were having trouble with a housemate’s behavior. And I reminded them that we weren’t in September, when a permanent solution to the behavior was needed to avoid an unpleasant school year. Instead, a light touch and keeping the peach for 10 days would get them through finals and that they weren’t scheduled to room with that person next year.

Columbia’s President kow-towed to the extreme right in Congress, because they had cancelled prior university presidents. And then followed through by dealing with theColumbia protestors with a heavy hand *from a war room in DC* with no attempts to deescalate or contain the protestors first. And it backfired bigly. Anyone who actual knows college kids could have told her that would happen. She massively over reacted, and there was a backlash.

There is an alternative universe where she ignored the students and dealt with any specific behaviors that were actually violent or threatening (as opposed to expressing a distasteful viewpoint or being annoying, which is the point of protest and is protected under 1A). Had professors flunk kids who didn’t show up for finals. And issued trespassing citations and cut off campus building key card access for kids who were not off campus within 24-48 hours after their last final (the rule at my kids college). And most of the kids would have dispersed before commencement.

Then she doubled down on what didn’t work yesterday, and now they took over a campus building.

It’s like she had no understanding of college kids and is a Fortune 500 CEO primarily there to make donors happy and have an occasional orchestrated photo op with students. Because that’s what she is.

I have no idea why she did not just ignore them as group until the end of the semester, discipline only bad actors, and wait for summer DP vacation, when everyone could take a breath and calm down.

Stupid. What she did was stupid. Divorced from the reality of how 18-22 year olds think annd operate. And seemed designed to cause more problems than it solved.




+1000

The issue is not the topic of the protest which no university should really express an opinion on. The issue is the disruption of other students rights to an education, any possible violence against others, non participation by the protesters in their schoolwork and occupation of a building. These individual actions should be dealt with. But whatever they are protesting is not the point. And they made it the point. It’s like they never dealt with kids before.


Part of the issue is that some faculty have also expressed solidarity with the political points of the protestors. Which was dumb of them.


Maybe. But faculty, especially tenured faculty, have 1A rights too. The people who need to be viewpoint neutral are administrators making decisions about how to respond. Not faculty who have opinions you dislike.


Schools and universities used to be educating students including the free exchange of ideas, not about professors indoctrinating impressionable children. The idea that faculty should say their political views is a very new one. And not welcome or beneficial to the goals of a university.
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Cut the electricity and water to the building.

The mob has also blocked the entry/exit points. Eventually they will surrender.

Police are able to tell exactly who is in the building based on their phones.
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Anonymous wrote:If these spoiled students and professors are so concerned for Gaza, why don’t they fly over to here and put their boots on the ground and help? Surely that would be more effective than screaming and holding up a cardboard sign on the campuses of their gilded overpriced colleges.

^^^
Fly over there


WTF? You think the most effective way to protest this is to fly to a war zone and offer yourself up as fodder for more Israeli air strikes.

WTF is wrong with you?


Yes, their constant tantrums ("protesting") are really doing a lot to help Palestinians. So effective.
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So odd all the right wing types that have a gun fetish and want students to be able to carry ARs openly and/on campuses (which many people find extremely threatening). But want to shut down 1A protests. There is a strong line of SCOTUS cases about what is and is not allowable. Targeting kids because you think they support the wrong side is not. Neither is uncomfortable speech or even hateful speech. Actual threats and violence are not permissible and should be swiftly dealt with. But only supporting protests that you agree with kinda missed the point of protests.


That said, I tell my own college kids that the best way to make change to be an engaged and informed voter. And if they are not informing themselves about issues and voting in every election, joining a protest movement is hypocritical.

But in general? The US needs fewer apathetic citizens. Sure, these kids are idealistic. But as they grow up, their views will become more nuanced. And for the good of this country, I hope this generation remains engaged.


Actual threats and violence and taking over private buildings

Also, these aren’t children, they are voting age adults and should be treated as such.


Yes. Taking over a building is a violent act and should not be tolerated. It is clearly way, way over the line. But it only happened at Columbia after two really short sighted heavy handed actions against protestors. The point is— it didn’t have to get this far. And that these mega university presidents act like they have zero idea as to how to work with college kids. Because they don’t.
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Anonymous wrote:If these spoiled students and professors are so concerned for Gaza, why don’t they fly over to here and put their boots on the ground and help? Surely that would be more effective than screaming and holding up a cardboard sign on the campuses of their gilded overpriced colleges.

^^^
Fly over there


WTF? You think the most effective way to protest this is to fly to a war zone and offer yourself up as fodder for more Israeli air strikes.

WTF is wrong with you?


Yes, their constant tantrums ("protesting") are really doing a lot to help Palestinians. So effective.
DP


So odd all the right wing types that have a gun fetish and want students to be able to carry ARs openly and/on campuses (which many people find extremely threatening). But want to shut down 1A protests. There is a strong line of SCOTUS cases about what is and is not allowable. Targeting kids because you think they support the wrong side is not. Neither is uncomfortable speech or even hateful speech. Actual threats and violence are not permissible and should be swiftly dealt with. But only supporting protests that you agree with kinda missed the point of protests.


That said, I tell my own college kids that the best way to make change to be an engaged and informed voter. And if they are not informing themselves about issues and voting in every election, joining a protest movement is hypocritical.

But in general? The US needs fewer apathetic citizens. Sure, these kids are idealistic. But as they grow up, their views will become more nuanced. And for the good of this country, I hope this generation remains engaged.


Actual threats and violence and taking over private buildings

Also, these aren’t children, they are voting age adults and should be treated as such.


Yes. Taking over a building is a violent act and should not be tolerated. It is clearly way, way over the line. But it only happened at Columbia after two really short sighted heavy handed actions against protestors. The point is— it didn’t have to get this far. And that these mega university presidents act like they have zero idea as to how to work with college kids. Because they don’t.


You are incorrect. Mob took over campus building in California two days ago.
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Anonymous wrote:Long story short, it is the right of American citizens to protest, if it doesn’t suit a certain narrative then it’s not their problem. If these kids want to protest, then they have every right to do so, there is a big Zionist lobby that has tried to control every opinion and aspect of this conflict since 10/7 and anyone not agreeing with Israel is promptly labeled antisemitic. Frankly, it’s nauseating.


It is their right. But their pro-Hamas protests win no hearts or minds.


The right wingers and administrators who are siccing the cops on them aren’t winning any hearts and minds either.


They are breaking the law by violently protesting, accosting police, and trespassing. Yet you think there should be no consequences? Of course you do. This is why normal, sane people think you are crazy.


This started with a bunch of dumb college kids camping in tents holding signs. The administration could have just ignored them and let them be stupid. They overreacted and made this a power game.


+1. It’s like University Presidents are CEOs with no actual understanding of college kids.

I talked to my college kid (on a so far protest free campus, thank goodness) last weekend. They were having trouble with a housemate’s behavior. And I reminded them that we weren’t in September, when a permanent solution to the behavior was needed to avoid an unpleasant school year. Instead, a light touch and keeping the peach for 10 days would get them through finals and that they weren’t scheduled to room with that person next year.

Columbia’s President kow-towed to the extreme right in Congress, because they had cancelled prior university presidents. And then followed through by dealing with theColumbia protestors with a heavy hand *from a war room in DC* with no attempts to deescalate or contain the protestors first. And it backfired bigly. Anyone who actual knows college kids could have told her that would happen. She massively over reacted, and there was a backlash.

There is an alternative universe where she ignored the students and dealt with any specific behaviors that were actually violent or threatening (as opposed to expressing a distasteful viewpoint or being annoying, which is the point of protest and is protected under 1A). Had professors flunk kids who didn’t show up for finals. And issued trespassing citations and cut off campus building key card access for kids who were not off campus within 24-48 hours after their last final (the rule at my kids college). And most of the kids would have dispersed before commencement.

Then she doubled down on what didn’t work yesterday, and now they took over a campus building.

It’s like she had no understanding of college kids and is a Fortune 500 CEO primarily there to make donors happy and have an occasional orchestrated photo op with students. Because that’s what she is.

I have no idea why she did not just ignore them as group until the end of the semester, discipline only bad actors, and wait for summer DP vacation, when everyone could take a breath and calm down.

Stupid. What she did was stupid. Divorced from the reality of how 18-22 year olds think annd operate. And seemed designed to cause more problems than it solved.



I agree with a lot of this. But two extra points: the place where the encampment occupied yesterday is the site of commencement, which takes weeks of preparation. Either the encampment or commencement needs to move, immediately. And also, these tent cities, these encampments, are, either unintentionally or by design, are particularly offensive the way they resemble the current, intractable, homeless tent cities occupying cities all over the country. Cities are grappling with how to properly deal with homeless tent cities amid conflicting laws, safety, compassion, and irate citizens. And now students are doing it too? They may not realize exactly how negatively tent encampments may be perceived.


Occupying the commencement location is an actual problem, and an alternative site should be provided.

Demonstrating in an offensive manner isn’t illegal and is a core tenant of 1A. I’m a lawyer, and I firmly believe in our constitutional rights— all of them— not just the ones that involve guns. In this country you get to be offensive. And after 7 year of “F—- your feelings,” I would think the right would get that. The red hat brigade is offensive and triggering to me. Does not mean they should be punished, or even removed from the restaurant, park or campus where I am. Instead, I need to act like an adult and ignore them. Pitching a temper tantrum every time I see a F—- Biden sign or red hat just plays into MAGA’s hands.

So stop being snowflakes. And ignore the protestors unless they are actually violent or threatening. Not give you the bad feels. Engaging in illegal behavior.


Free speech should not include a college campus' instruction, academics, graduation activities, cleanliness/sanitation, breaking into buildings, etc. No, these protestors should not be ignored. They should leave as told or be suspended. Go home to protest. I don't care that you are an atty.
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Currently, multiple law enforcement officers are equipped in riot gear and have shields after dozens of pro-Palestine protesters have taken over a building at California State Polytechnic University in Arcata, California.

This was on April 23. A week ago.
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Anonymous wrote:Here is how they should deal with the students who have occupied Hamilton Hall...

They should make sure the building is secure. Let nobody enter and nobody exit.
Cut off the electricity. These brats will have no way to charge their phones.
Cut off the water.
Do NOT allow food or water into the building.
Eventually, they will surrender.


It’s easier to just expel trespassing students. This isn’t hard.


Nah. I would rather they suffer a bit. Deprive them of basic needs and force them out on their own.


No. They will destroy the building. They don't care. They should have been shut down weeks ago.
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Anonymous wrote:Cut the electricity and water to the building.

The mob has also blocked the entry/exit points. Eventually they will surrender.

Police are able to tell exactly who is in the building based on their phones.


They should be treated as "fairly" as the J6 defendants.
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