Hogan running for Senate

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Anonymous wrote:Watching ads where Hogan's surrogates say he supports Roe.
Has Hogan ever publicly stated that?
I guess they're hoping no one remembers his prior acts, but I definitely remember

Hogan will lose because of abortion…and that’s a dumb reason for a very popular former governor to lose.

If he wants to win, he needs to do a commercial saying he’s evolved on his stance on a woman’s right to choose and will fight for it. Then he should remind everyone of his otherwise moderate record.

If he just sticks with his current approach he will lose.

No one will believe him and they shouldn’t.

These R’a are the dog that caught the car with Dobbs— thought they could suck up to anti-choice voters without any negative consequences for women’s lives or their own careers.

While I agree most republicans can’t be trusted, Hogan demonstrated that he is a rationale leader…mostly.

As a very liberal Democrat with a SJW day job, I was pleasantly surprised to see him engage in criminal justice reform and support commonsense lefty policies that most republicans wouldn’t have entertained. My biggest beef with Hogan is his completely irrational stereotype of MoCo still being a white, affluent county that doesn’t need state support. I mean, get real!

I think if he spent the next 6 weeks using a stump speech leading with his changed stance on abortion followed by his popular record as our governor, he just might win. If he doesn’t shift his talking points, he will lose.

ALSOBROOKS isn’t perfect. And she’s untested. It’s doubtful she will get much done in Washington whereas Hogan is equipped to be a consensus builder focused on bipartisanship. I’d consider voting for him if he publicly stated he is now pro-choice and explain why…and commit to fighting to protect choice.

I agree with all of this but it’s still pointless in the end. He will vote the party line, including SC justice appointments. Shame that’s where we are, but nope.

This. There's no way the pp you responded to is actually a Democrat. We've seen what the Republicans do when they hold the Senate. It would be one thing if Hogan were independent and agreed to caucus with the Democrats, but that obviously isn't going to happen.

Trust me, I’m a lifelong Dem.

ICYMI: thx only reason Hogan won and was re-elected was his moderate approach and track record.

But the current reality of abortion rights is a stark reminder that we must only send pro-choice leaders who are committed to fighting for our rights to congress.

He needs to make bold statements and commitments if he wants to win.

Hogan won't do that. He might not vote for national-level legislation further restricting abortion, but you know he'll go along with whoever Republican leadership puts up for the Supreme Court. And he'll vote to put a Republican in charge of Senate business, preventing reasonable measures from ever getting to the floor. And he'll vote with Republicans on procedural matters, limiting the ability of Democrats to mount filibusters to block ridiculous policies.

You haven't been paying attentional to national level politics for the last 30 years if you don't realize Hogan would be a disaster. It isn't so much Hogan himself, but what the Republicans do when they hold leadership.

Though, you also have a skewed view of Hogan. Hogan was limited in what he could do as Governor because the Democrats held the legislature. That made him look more moderate than he actually is.

Exactly. He was a disaster for educational policy.

To be fair, both sides are a disaster for educational policy. Mcps was once a nationally acclaimed district and now it’s a total mess. Go visit the dcum mcps and private school forums to hear from shocked parents on just how far mcps has fallen. We can’t place all the blame on Hogan; our local Dem leaders destroyed our public schools.

FTR, I am a Dem and I’ll probably just vote for Alsobrooks…but let’s not pretend that she’s awesome, and let’s not pretend that Hogan is awful.

I don't think *Hogan* is awful. But I do think giving Republicans the Senate would be awful, and that's what voting for Hogan might do.

Yes, this is the essential distinction. The only thing that matters now is Senate control and the Supreme Court.

+1 it's depressing but this is the only rational way to think about American politics any more.

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Hogan will lose because he promoted that stupid Eastern shore pandering school calendar, lifted restrictions on the carrying of concealed weapons, didn't fight Trump on the Muslim ban... and because people don't want the Senate to flip.

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Remember when Hogan lied about MCPS while school staff were getting death threats?

Match 21, 2017: "Governor Hogan was visibly heated Tuesday, pulling no punches when he revealed that MCPS officials have refused to answer state requests for information. He says people have a right to know more than what they've been told.

"Why is an 18-year-old man in a class with 13 or 14-year-old girls? Why was his status not known to those folks? Why was he allowed to enter the country after he was picked up for illegally crossing the border--both of them? So there are a lot of questions," Hogan told FOX 5's Tom Fitzgerald."
https://www.fox5dc.com/news/md-governor-calls-out-mcps-lack-of-cooperation-in-rockville-high-rape-case

2 days later:
"Hogan took a more conciliatory tone Thursday morning, when he came to the county with U.S. Education Secretary Betsy DeVos to read a Dr. Seuss book at Bethesda’s Carderock Springs Elementary.

“We kind of want to let everybody do their jobs,” Hogan told reporters when asked about the case. “I think the school system is taking it seriously, the police are taking it seriously, and there’s obviously a federal component to it that we’ve got to pay attention to.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/md-politics/2017/03/23/4c53eb12-0f74-11e7-9b0d-d27c98455440_story.html

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Anonymous wrote:Hogan will lose because he promoted that stupid Eastern shore pandering school calendar, lifted restrictions on the carrying of concealed weapons, didn't fight Trump on the Muslim ban... and because people don't want the Senate to flip.

These are definitely some of the reasons why I am not voting for him.

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Anonymous wrote:Watching ads where Hogan's surrogates say he supports Roe.
Has Hogan ever publicly stated that?
I guess they're hoping no one remembers his prior acts, but I definitely remember

Hogan will lose because of abortion…and that’s a dumb reason for a very popular former governor to lose.

If he wants to win, he needs to do a commercial saying he’s evolved on his stance on a woman’s right to choose and will fight for it. Then he should remind everyone of his otherwise moderate record.

If he just sticks with his current approach he will lose.

No one will believe him and they shouldn’t.

These R’a are the dog that caught the car with Dobbs— thought they could suck up to anti-choice voters without any negative consequences for women’s lives or their own careers.

While I agree most republicans can’t be trusted, Hogan demonstrated that he is a rationale leader…mostly.

As a very liberal Democrat with a SJW day job, I was pleasantly surprised to see him engage in criminal justice reform and support commonsense lefty policies that most republicans wouldn’t have entertained. My biggest beef with Hogan is his completely irrational stereotype of MoCo still being a white, affluent county that doesn’t need state support. I mean, get real!

I think if he spent the next 6 weeks using a stump speech leading with his changed stance on abortion followed by his popular record as our governor, he just might win. If he doesn’t shift his talking points, he will lose.

ALSOBROOKS isn’t perfect. And she’s untested. It’s doubtful she will get much done in Washington whereas Hogan is equipped to be a consensus builder focused on bipartisanship. I’d consider voting for him if he publicly stated he is now pro-choice and explain why…and commit to fighting to protect choice.

I agree with all of this but it’s still pointless in the end. He will vote the party line, including SC justice appointments. Shame that’s where we are, but nope.

Why do you think he would vote the party line?

Are you familiar with his bipartisan credentials, including the org he co-created with Joe Lieberman? Hogan is a favorite guest on CNN where they praise his businesslike, moderate approach to leadership.

I’m a lifelong Marylander and I’m old enough to remember tons of Dems voting for Connie Morella who was lauded as a moderate, enjoyed broad support, and then eventually voted the party line. Once it became clear she had shifted right and was beholden to the R’s, she lost her seat. I’m sure Hogan is smart enough to realize he needs to stick to the middle if he wants to win…and keep his seat.

Because he said so early on when he was just starting his campaign. When asked if he would be independent, he explicitly stated that he would caucus with the Republicans. And this was what they were counting on when the Republican party leadership first reached out to him. And despite being a critic of Trump in the past, Trump has endorsed Hogan because Trump knows that Hogan may be the only prayer that the RNC has of getting a Republican elected Senator in MD. Also, he is getting funds from Republican PACs. You can bet that if he hadn't committed to caucusing with the Republican Party that he would not be getting the PAC money for his campaign. And considering how much money he's spent on airtime, he is spending a lot more than his campaign is raising on their own.

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Alsobrooks 51-Hogan 40
https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2024/09/26/maryland-senate-poll-alsobrooks-hogan/

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Alsobrooks really has some great TV ads. Really excellent work calling out Hogan for not really being the moderate that he claims. The most recent one, where Hogan gives credit to Trump and says he nominated "incredible justices," just months after Roe was struck down, is very well done. I think Hogan said all these very revealing things before he got roped into running for senator and started trying to hide who he is.

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Anonymous wrote:Alsobrooks really has some great TV ads. Really excellent work calling out Hogan for not really being the moderate that he claims. The most recent one, where Hogan gives credit to Trump and says he nominated "incredible justices," just months after Roe was struck down, is very well done. I think Hogan said all these very revealing things before he got roped into running for senator and started trying to hide who he is.

Relieved to hear this, haven't seen any.

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A lot of misinformation here. Everyone really needs to do there own research.

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Anonymous wrote:A lot of misinformation here. Everyone really needs to do there own research.

Yes, we've researched and concluded that Hogan will do whatever the Senate Republicans want him to do. He'll vote for McConnell as speaker, he'll block any Democratic Supreme Court justices and federal judges, and he'll vote for tax cuts for the wealthy.

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Anonymous wrote:Watching ads where Hogan's surrogates say he supports Roe.
Has Hogan ever publicly stated that?
I guess they're hoping no one remembers his prior acts, but I definitely remember

Hogan will lose because of abortion…and that’s a dumb reason for a very popular former governor to lose.

If he wants to win, he needs to do a commercial saying he’s evolved on his stance on a woman’s right to choose and will fight for it. Then he should remind everyone of his otherwise moderate record.

If he just sticks with his current approach he will lose.

No one will believe him and they shouldn’t.

These R’a are the dog that caught the car with Dobbs— thought they could suck up to anti-choice voters without any negative consequences for women’s lives or their own careers.

While I agree most republicans can’t be trusted, Hogan demonstrated that he is a rationale leader…mostly.

As a very liberal Democrat with a SJW day job, I was pleasantly surprised to see him engage in criminal justice reform and support commonsense lefty policies that most republicans wouldn’t have entertained. My biggest beef with Hogan is his completely irrational stereotype of MoCo still being a white, affluent county that doesn’t need state support. I mean, get real!

I think if he spent the next 6 weeks using a stump speech leading with his changed stance on abortion followed by his popular record as our governor, he just might win. If he doesn’t shift his talking points, he will lose.

ALSOBROOKS isn’t perfect. And she’s untested. It’s doubtful she will get much done in Washington whereas Hogan is equipped to be a consensus builder focused on bipartisanship. I’d consider voting for him if he publicly stated he is now pro-choice and explain why…and commit to fighting to protect choice.

I agree with all of this but it’s still pointless in the end. He will vote the party line, including SC justice appointments. Shame that’s where we are, but nope.

Why do you think he would vote the party line?

Are you familiar with his bipartisan credentials, including the org he co-created with Joe Lieberman? Hogan is a favorite guest on CNN where they praise his businesslike, moderate approach to leadership.

I’m a lifelong Marylander and I’m old enough to remember tons of Dems voting for Connie Morella who was lauded as a moderate, enjoyed broad support, and then eventually voted the party line. Once it became clear she had shifted right and was beholden to the R’s, she lost her seat. I’m sure Hogan is smart enough to realize he needs to stick to the middle if he wants to win…and keep his seat.

What’s your evidence backing up your Connie statements?

She voted against the Clinton impeachment, by the way.

She lost to CVH because the Dems redistricted after the census.

Signed, someone who knew them both very well

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Anonymous wrote:A lot of misinformation here. Everyone really needs to do there own research.

Yes, we've researched and concluded that Hogan will do whatever the Senate Republicans want him to do. He'll vote for McConnell as speaker, he'll block any Democratic Supreme Court justices and federal judges, and he'll vote for tax cuts for the wealthy.

We’d be fortunate if he voted for McConnell, as bad as that is. McConnell is stepping down as leader and all of the candidates to replace him are more MAGA.

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Anonymous wrote:Alsobrooks 51-Hogan 40
https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2024/09/26/maryland-senate-poll-alsobrooks-hogan/

I think the final margin will be even bigger. People thought Trone was going to win the primary and Alsobrooks won in a landslide. She has a hidden strength.

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Anonymous wrote:Watching ads where Hogan's surrogates say he supports Roe.
Has Hogan ever publicly stated that?
I guess they're hoping no one remembers his prior acts, but I definitely remember

Hogan will lose because of abortion…and that’s a dumb reason for a very popular former governor to lose.

If he wants to win, he needs to do a commercial saying he’s evolved on his stance on a woman’s right to choose and will fight for it. Then he should remind everyone of his otherwise moderate record.

If he just sticks with his current approach he will lose.

No one will believe him and they shouldn’t.

These R’a are the dog that caught the car with Dobbs— thought they could suck up to anti-choice voters without any negative consequences for women’s lives or their own careers.

While I agree most republicans can’t be trusted, Hogan demonstrated that he is a rationale leader…mostly.

As a very liberal Democrat with a SJW day job, I was pleasantly surprised to see him engage in criminal justice reform and support commonsense lefty policies that most republicans wouldn’t have entertained. My biggest beef with Hogan is his completely irrational stereotype of MoCo still being a white, affluent county that doesn’t need state support. I mean, get real!

I think if he spent the next 6 weeks using a stump speech leading with his changed stance on abortion followed by his popular record as our governor, he just might win. If he doesn’t shift his talking points, he will lose.

ALSOBROOKS isn’t perfect. And she’s untested. It’s doubtful she will get much done in Washington whereas Hogan is equipped to be a consensus builder focused on bipartisanship. I’d consider voting for him if he publicly stated he is now pro-choice and explain why…and commit to fighting to protect choice.

I agree with all of this but it’s still pointless in the end. He will vote the party line, including SC justice appointments. Shame that’s where we are, but nope.

Why do you think he would vote the party line?

Are you familiar with his bipartisan credentials, including the org he co-created with Joe Lieberman? Hogan is a favorite guest on CNN where they praise his businesslike, moderate approach to leadership.

I’m a lifelong Marylander and I’m old enough to remember tons of Dems voting for Connie Morella who was lauded as a moderate, enjoyed broad support, and then eventually voted the party line. Once it became clear she had shifted right and was beholden to the R’s, she lost her seat. I’m sure Hogan is smart enough to realize he needs to stick to the middle if he wants to win…and keep his seat.

What’s your evidence backing up your Connie statements?

She voted against the Clinton impeachment, by the way.

She lost to CVH because the Dems redistricted after the census.

Signed, someone who knew them both very well

She lost because of the rise of the Gingrich Congress. Despite her seniority she never got any important committee assignments and had no influence within the Republican caucus. People liked her personally but there was no point.

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Why have the polls been trending in the same direction for so long without stabilizing?

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/senate/2024/maryland/general/