Missing college student in the Dominican Republic from Ashburn

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Anonymous wrote:Teach your kids not to go to a third world county country for spring break and get wasted go swimming.

The problem is that's not really teachable. You can do you best to instruct a kid about a variety of risks but college students are naive, inexperienced, and impulsive. They rarely know how much alcohol they can handle and can make terrible decisions when under the influence and cognitively impaired. No matter what they've been told.

The other four girls who also traveled on this trip were found "safe", right?

Yes. They weren't crushing on a boy and swimming in the ocean in the dark with him.Fortunately for them. It was one different decision that likely proved fatal, but they were all behaving irresponsibly in terms of excessive alcohol.

How do YOU know that she was?

She was videotaped walking with his arm around her and her clothes were found on the beach chaise. Depending on the clothing found, she was either nude or in her bikini. Why do you suppose that might be, Sherlock?

Unlike you, don't make assumptions. Is alcohol the only reason to make her walk with his arm around her? The report said her sarong was on chair, did it say also her bikini. How do you know she left her sarong there to go in water? And with HIM? Was her sarong placed on a chair by someone else?

NP. Are you some weird family friend or something? No one needs to state the obvious to you. Alcohol might have been the reason she put her arm around him. Perhaps she wouldn’t have otherwise. She’s an adult that chose to drink excessively. If she made choices she would not have made, that’s her responsibility. Not man she was with.

How do you know she did? Not everyone is saying it was that man who was responsible. That's why questions about others who may have been there are being asked.

She was up until 3am drinking in the lobby bar. She was swaying and couldn’t stay steady walking to the beach. It’s basic logic that she had. When drinking excessively. It’s completely obvious that she was.

Wasn't every young women in that group drinking at some time that night, either or at each of the places they visited before the time at the beach (disco, hotel lobby)? Were the other women also swaying and they also couldn't stay steady walking to beach (haven't watched any of the videos)? How do you know it was excessive was the original question?

I think PP explained very well why it appeared there had been excessive drinking. You ask weird questions that are far less insightful than you suppose.

No answers to questions above, huh? Because you or if it is PP also don't know like the rest of us. PP assumed she was excessively drinking which perhaps is obvious to somone who watched a video, or it isn't. How do you know it wasn't any other factor(s)?

NP. Are you mentally challenged? It’s either that or you’re a troll. There is a video of her drunk walking to the beach after spending hours drinking in the hotel bar. These are facts.

When frustrated that YOU don't know, you resort (no pun intended) to calling people names? So you know that she was "drunk" because you were there? Got it.

Only other explanation is that she was drugged. Because the friends reached out to the police so late there likely couldn’t be a toxicology test done on them. There also appears to be zero evidence that they were drugged. Therefore, you have to go with the facts you do know. It is confirmed she was drinking in the bar for hours. Her friends didn’t seem concerned about this young man or any of the events from the night, otherwise they would have reached out earlier in the day. All of the evidence so far points to one scenario. You can’t just make things up and accuse someone of something without evidence.

You don’t want to admit there are some known facts here.

[Anonymous]

Friends definitely were not as wobbly or drunk as her in the video.

they should do a lie detector test on everyone
if they have not already

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Anonymous wrote:I’m absolutely convinced the poster disputing where the young lady was drunk is family or a family friend that can’t accept some of the facts of that evening.

Or someone triggered by certain hypothetical scenarios. Yes, I agree.

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This story is so sad. I feel like girls especially have it drilled in their head to look out for their friends and yet this sort of thing happens. I wonder if she had known the boy for a few days so had an illusion of safety and so did her friends.

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Anonymous wrote:This story is so sad. I feel like girls especially have it drilled in their head to look out for their friends and yet this sort of thing happens. I wonder if she had known the boy for a few days so had an illusion of safety and so did her friends.

I really don't like blaming the friends. She clearly wanted to stay behind with him. It was after 5am and the friends wanted to go to bed at last. If she didn't want to go with them, please tell me specifically what they should have done.

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Anonymous wrote:Teach your kids not to go to a third world county country for spring break and get wasted go swimming.

The problem is that's not really teachable. You can do you best to instruct a kid about a variety of risks but college students are naive, inexperienced, and impulsive. They rarely know how much alcohol they can handle and can make terrible decisions when under the influence and cognitively impaired. No matter what they've been told.

The other four girls who also traveled on this trip were found "safe", right?

Yes. They weren't crushing on a boy and swimming in the ocean in the dark with him.Fortunately for them. It was one different decision that likely proved fatal, but they were all behaving irresponsibly in terms of excessive alcohol.

How do YOU know that she was?

She was videotaped walking with his arm around her and her clothes were found on the beach chaise. Depending on the clothing found, she was either nude or in her bikini. Why do you suppose that might be, Sherlock?

Unlike you, don't make assumptions. Is alcohol the only reason to make her walk with his arm around her? The report said her sarong was on chair, did it say also her bikini. How do you know she left her sarong there to go in water? And with HIM? Was her sarong placed on a chair by someone else?

There is also video footage at the hotel of him sleeping alone on the beach. You don’t just get to make up theories that defy logic because it feels better to make another person culpable for the tragic consequence of the woman’s bad decision .

Ok. And so..?

Link? I thought only the path has cameras.

Right! And didn't they say there was a power outage so there isn't footage? Which one is it? Conflicting stories as usual with cases.

The footage of the group walking to the beach and of him returning mid morning alone is all over the internet. The resort had generators, or perhaps the power came back on. She was never seen on camera leaving the beach.

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Anonymous wrote:This story is so sad. I feel like girls especially have it drilled in their head to look out for their friends and yet this sort of thing happens. I wonder if she had known the boy for a few days so had an illusion of safety and so did her friends.

I really don't like blaming the friends. She clearly wanted to stay behind with him. It was after 5am and the friends wanted to go to bed at last. If she didn't want to go with them, please tell me specifically what they should have done.

Dragged her with them or refused to leave. Sometimes being a good friend is hard; sometimes it might (ironically) ruin the friendship.

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Anonymous wrote:Friends definitely were not as wobbly or drunk as her in the video.

they should do a lie detector test on everyone
if they have not already

Perhaps she was drugged.

Agree re: tests. Esp on Mr. Changing Stories.

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Anonymous wrote:This story is so sad. I feel like girls especially have it drilled in their head to look out for their friends and yet this sort of thing happens. I wonder if she had known the boy for a few days so had an illusion of safety and so did her friends.

I really don't like blaming the friends. She clearly wanted to stay behind with him. It was after 5am and the friends wanted to go to bed at last. If she didn't want to go with them, please tell me specifically what they should have done.

I'm saying it's possible they didn't speak up because she had known the boy for a few days. It makes the most sense to me.

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Anonymous wrote:This story is so sad. I feel like girls especially have it drilled in their head to look out for their friends and yet this sort of thing happens. I wonder if she had known the boy for a few days so had an illusion of safety and so did her friends.

I really don't like blaming the friends. She clearly wanted to stay behind with him. It was after 5am and the friends wanted to go to bed at last. If she didn't want to go with them, please tell me specifically what they should have done.

My understanding is they took her phone so find my phone would show her in the hotel room. They were doing what she wanted.

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Anonymous wrote:Teach your kids not to go to a third world county country for spring break and get wasted go swimming.

The problem is that's not really teachable. You can do you best to instruct a kid about a variety of risks but college students are naive, inexperienced, and impulsive. They rarely know how much alcohol they can handle and can make terrible decisions when under the influence and cognitively impaired. No matter what they've been told.

The other four girls who also traveled on this trip were found "safe", right?

Yes. They weren't crushing on a boy and swimming in the ocean in the dark with him.Fortunately for them. It was one different decision that likely proved fatal, but they were all behaving irresponsibly in terms of excessive alcohol.

How do YOU know that she was?

She was videotaped walking with his arm around her and her clothes were found on the beach chaise. Depending on the clothing found, she was either nude or in her bikini. Why do you suppose that might be, Sherlock?

Unlike you, don't make assumptions. Is alcohol the only reason to make her walk with his arm around her? The report said her sarong was on chair, did it say also her bikini. How do you know she left her sarong there to go in water? And with HIM? Was her sarong placed on a chair by someone else?

NP. Are you some weird family friend or something? No one needs to state the obvious to you. Alcohol might have been the reason she put her arm around him. Perhaps she wouldn’t have otherwise. She’s an adult that chose to drink excessively. If she made choices she would not have made, that’s her responsibility. Not man she was with.

How do you know she did? Not everyone is saying it was that man who was responsible. That's why questions about others who may have been there are being asked.

She was up until 3am drinking in the lobby bar. She was swaying and couldn’t stay steady walking to the beach. It’s basic logic that she had. When drinking excessively. It’s completely obvious that she was.

Wasn't every young women in that group drinking at some time that night, either or at each of the places they visited before the time at the beach (disco, hotel lobby)? Were the other women also swaying and they also couldn't stay steady walking to beach (haven't watched any of the videos)? How do you know it was excessive was the original question?

I think PP explained very well why it appeared there had been excessive drinking. You ask weird questions that are far less insightful than you suppose.

No answers to questions above, huh? Because you or if it is PP also don't know like the rest of us. PP assumed she was excessively drinking which perhaps is obvious to somone who watched a video, or it isn't. How do you know it wasn't any other factor(s)?

NP. Are you mentally challenged? It’s either that or you’re a troll. There is a video of her drunk walking to the beach after spending hours drinking in the hotel bar. These are facts.

When frustrated that YOU don't know, you resort (no pun intended) to calling people names? So you know that she was "drunk" because you were there? Got it.

Only other explanation is that she was drugged. Because the friends reached out to the police so late there likely couldn’t be a toxicology test done on them. There also appears to be zero evidence that they were drugged. Therefore, you have to go with the facts you do know. It is confirmed she was drinking in the bar for hours. Her friends didn’t seem concerned about this young man or any of the events from the night, otherwise they would have reached out earlier in the day. All of the evidence so far points to one scenario. You can’t just make things up and accuse someone of something without evidence.

You don’t want to admit there are some known facts here.

Many unknowns. Known facts:
group of five young women went to the resort for spring break, two men were hanging out with them that night or early morning, there was drinking involved in hotel lobby based on hotel video, a video of seven people in the group leaving hotel for beach, one young woman and one young man staying behind at beach a little longer, a sarong was on a beach chair that morning, video of young man returning to hotel later that morning. No video of young woman returning to hotel. Anything else?

And wasn't it already decided that while the friends could have gone looking for her extensively around resort before heading out on their day trip, the friends may have had tried contacting her on phone or knocking on her door but figured she was sleeping in or hanging out with that man?

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Anonymous wrote:This story is so sad. I feel like girls especially have it drilled in their head to look out for their friends and yet this sort of thing happens. I wonder if she had known the boy for a few days so had an illusion of safety and so did her friends.

I really don't like blaming the friends. She clearly wanted to stay behind with him. It was after 5am and the friends wanted to go to bed at last. If she didn't want to go with them, please tell me specifically what they should have done.

They should have stepped in, took her by the arm and led her back to the room to sleep. I had to do this to a friend (we were in our 30's). She was drunk and some guy just "knew" he was hooking up that night. Yes, she was flirting and "all over him", but no way was that happening on "my watch". I came between them, told him to please move along because it wasn't happening tonight and took her back with me to our hotel room. Friends look out for each other. Sadly, her "friends" failed her that morning.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m absolutely convinced the poster disputing where the young lady was drunk is family or a family friend that can’t accept some of the facts of that evening.

Or someone triggered by certain hypothetical scenarios. Yes, I agree.

We’ve been discussing facts as it relates to this particular poster. It is a fact if you spend hours drinking at a bar one’s judgement becomes impaired as they are under the influence of alcohol. Aka, drunk.

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Anonymous wrote:This story is so sad. I feel like girls especially have it drilled in their head to look out for their friends and yet this sort of thing happens. I wonder if she had known the boy for a few days so had an illusion of safety and so did her friends.

I really don't like blaming the friends. She clearly wanted to stay behind with him. It was after 5am and the friends wanted to go to bed at last. If she didn't want to go with them, please tell me specifically what they should have done.

My understanding is they took her phone so find my phone would show her in the hotel room. They were doing what she wanted.

Messed up if true.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m absolutely convinced the poster disputing where the young lady was drunk is family or a family friend that can’t accept some of the facts of that evening.

How do you know she wasn't and it was something else? Were you also there like that other poster (or maybe you are that poster who claims it had to be the "excessive" alcohol).