Lebanon / Israel

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I think Hezbollah has the right to defend itself and the entire world has a responsibility to defend children against the heartless bastards that are the IDF...

Nice beautiful Hezbollah, right? What heroes.

Nonsense, I merely spoke of the right for an entity to defend itself - an entity that has killed far fewer Children and has committed far fewer atrocities than the IDF.

Then I separately stated that the world has a responsibility to defend against the atrocities being committed by the IDF.

Now, Hezbollah (not the best group in the world) seems to be the only one defending the children of Gaza. That is a connection that you must have made and then went into a very defensive posture upon seeing that natural implication of what was said.

Calling Hezbollah “not the best group in the world” is quite the euphemism.

They don’t give a crap about Gaza, as it happens.

They want to pursue their own goals and Gaza is useful for that.

What exactly are those goals?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think Hezbollah has the right to defend itself and the entire world has a responsibility to defend children against the heartless bastards that are the IDF...

Nice beautiful Hezbollah, right? What heroes.

Nonsense, I merely spoke of the right for an entity to defend itself - an entity that has killed far fewer Children and has committed far fewer atrocities than the IDF.

Then I separately stated that the world has a responsibility to defend against the atrocities being committed by the IDF.

Now, Hezbollah (not the best group in the world) seems to be the only one defending the children of Gaza. That is a connection that you must have made and then went into a very defensive posture upon seeing that natural implication of what was said.

Calling Hezbollah “not the best group in the world” is quite the euphemism.

They don’t give a crap about Gaza, as it happens.

They want to pursue their own goals and Gaza is useful for that.

What exactly are those goals?

Why do I have to do all the research for you?

Hezbollah aims to control Lebanese politics and amplify the strategic goals of Iran, including the destruction of Israel.

You can read more here:

https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/what-hezbollah

[Anonymous]

You don't. I just wanted to hear your thoughts...

Resistance to Israeli Occupation: Hezbollah was initially formed to resist the Israeli occupation of southern Lebanon, which began in 1982 during the Lebanese Civil War. The group's primary objective was the liberation of Lebanese territory from Israeli control, which it claims it achieved in 2000 when Israeli forces withdrew from most of southern Lebanon. Hezbollah continues to view opposition to Israel as one of its core missions, particularly in relation to disputed areas like the Shebaa Farms.

Support for Palestinian Liberation: Hezbollah is committed to the broader goal of ending Israeli control over Palestinian territories and supports the Palestinian cause. It advocates for the destruction of the State of Israel and the establishment of an Islamic state in all of historic Palestine.

Defense of Lebanon: Hezbollah portrays itself as a defender of Lebanon from foreign aggression, particularly from Israel. It justifies maintaining a paramilitary wing by arguing that the Lebanese state and army alone cannot protect the country from Israeli threats.

Establishment of an Islamic State: In its original 1985 manifesto, Hezbollah expressed the goal of creating an Islamic government in Lebanon based on the model of Iran's Islamic Republic. However, this goal has been downplayed over the years, and Hezbollah now claims to respect Lebanon's multi-confessional nature, emphasizing political pluralism instead of insisting on an Islamic state.

Opposition to Western Influence: Hezbollah positions itself as a force against U.S. and Western influence in the Middle East. The group opposes what it perceives as American and Western hegemony in the region and aligns itself with Iran’s anti-Western stance, particularly in its opposition to U.S. policies and military interventions.

Support for Iran's Ideology: Hezbollah has strong ties to Iran, both financially and ideologically. It adheres to the principles of Wilayat al-Faqih, or the Guardianship of the Islamic Jurist, a concept developed by Iran's Ayatollah Khomeini, which advocates for the rule of a qualified Islamic jurist in the governance of a state. Hezbollah views Iran's Supreme Leader as its spiritual leader and continues to support Iran's regional policies.

Political Role in Lebanon: Over the years, Hezbollah has become an integral part of Lebanon's political system. It participates in elections, holds seats in the Lebanese parliament, and serves as part of governing coalitions. Hezbollah's stated political goal is to protect Lebanon’s sovereignty, security, and interests while ensuring the defense of the Shiite community, which is a significant political and social base for the group.

[Anonymous]

Who can take 1 full minute to check their humility and empathy?

Humility = recognize the influence of your own biases and perspectives when trying to understand another’s emotions, thoughts, experiences, and actions.

Empathy = active attempt to understand another person’s perspective by imagining how you would feel, think, or act if put in their situation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You don't. I just wanted to hear your thoughts...

Resistance to Israeli Occupation: Hezbollah was initially formed to resist the Israeli occupation of southern Lebanon, which began in 1982 during the Lebanese Civil War. The group's primary objective was the liberation of Lebanese territory from Israeli control, which it claims it achieved in 2000 when Israeli forces withdrew from most of southern Lebanon. Hezbollah continues to view opposition to Israel as one of its core missions, particularly in relation to disputed areas like the Shebaa Farms.

Support for Palestinian Liberation: Hezbollah is committed to the broader goal of ending Israeli control over Palestinian territories and supports the Palestinian cause. It advocates for the destruction of the State of Israel and the establishment of an Islamic state in all of historic Palestine.

Defense of Lebanon: Hezbollah portrays itself as a defender of Lebanon from foreign aggression, particularly from Israel. It justifies maintaining a paramilitary wing by arguing that the Lebanese state and army alone cannot protect the country from Israeli threats.

Establishment of an Islamic State: In its original 1985 manifesto, Hezbollah expressed the goal of creating an Islamic government in Lebanon based on the model of Iran's Islamic Republic. However, this goal has been downplayed over the years, and Hezbollah now claims to respect Lebanon's multi-confessional nature, emphasizing political pluralism instead of insisting on an Islamic state.

Opposition to Western Influence: Hezbollah positions itself as a force against U.S. and Western influence in the Middle East. The group opposes what it perceives as American and Western hegemony in the region and aligns itself with Iran’s anti-Western stance, particularly in its opposition to U.S. policies and military interventions.

Support for Iran's Ideology: Hezbollah has strong ties to Iran, both financially and ideologically. It adheres to the principles of Wilayat al-Faqih, or the Guardianship of the Islamic Jurist, a concept developed by Iran's Ayatollah Khomeini, which advocates for the rule of a qualified Islamic jurist in the governance of a state. Hezbollah views Iran's Supreme Leader as its spiritual leader and continues to support Iran's regional policies.

Political Role in Lebanon: Over the years, Hezbollah has become an integral part of Lebanon's political system. It participates in elections, holds seats in the Lebanese parliament, and serves as part of governing coalitions. Hezbollah's stated political goal is to protect Lebanon’s sovereignty, security, and interests while ensuring the defense of the Shiite community, which is a significant political and social base for the group.

Why did you need my thoughts if you could look it up yourself?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You don't. I just wanted to hear your thoughts...

Resistance to Israeli Occupation: Hezbollah was initially formed to resist the Israeli occupation of southern Lebanon, which began in 1982 during the Lebanese Civil War. The group's primary objective was the liberation of Lebanese territory from Israeli control, which it claims it achieved in 2000 when Israeli forces withdrew from most of southern Lebanon. Hezbollah continues to view opposition to Israel as one of its core missions, particularly in relation to disputed areas like the Shebaa Farms.

Support for Palestinian Liberation: Hezbollah is committed to the broader goal of ending Israeli control over Palestinian territories and supports the Palestinian cause. It advocates for the destruction of the State of Israel and the establishment of an Islamic state in all of historic Palestine.

Defense of Lebanon: Hezbollah portrays itself as a defender of Lebanon from foreign aggression, particularly from Israel. It justifies maintaining a paramilitary wing by arguing that the Lebanese state and army alone cannot protect the country from Israeli threats.

Establishment of an Islamic State: In its original 1985 manifesto, Hezbollah expressed the goal of creating an Islamic government in Lebanon based on the model of Iran's Islamic Republic. However, this goal has been downplayed over the years, and Hezbollah now claims to respect Lebanon's multi-confessional nature, emphasizing political pluralism instead of insisting on an Islamic state.

Opposition to Western Influence: Hezbollah positions itself as a force against U.S. and Western influence in the Middle East. The group opposes what it perceives as American and Western hegemony in the region and aligns itself with Iran’s anti-Western stance, particularly in its opposition to U.S. policies and military interventions.

Support for Iran's Ideology: Hezbollah has strong ties to Iran, both financially and ideologically. It adheres to the principles of Wilayat al-Faqih, or the Guardianship of the Islamic Jurist, a concept developed by Iran's Ayatollah Khomeini, which advocates for the rule of a qualified Islamic jurist in the governance of a state. Hezbollah views Iran's Supreme Leader as its spiritual leader and continues to support Iran's regional policies.

Political Role in Lebanon: Over the years, Hezbollah has become an integral part of Lebanon's political system. It participates in elections, holds seats in the Lebanese parliament, and serves as part of governing coalitions. Hezbollah's stated political goal is to protect Lebanon’s sovereignty, security, and interests while ensuring the defense of the Shiite community, which is a significant political and social base for the group.

None of this references destroying the state of Israel as a plan. It says resisting Israeli occupation of Lebanon which means it’s a deterrence measure.

Do you admit Israel wants to settle Southern Lebanon and that’s the real reason they want Hezbollah gone? Hezbollah can’t destroy Israel if there’s an Iron Dome. Iran doesn’t also seem pumped to destroy Israel. If Israel wants to downplay the real reason Hamas exists is Palestinian antipathy toward them and has nothing to do with Hezbollah or Iran, that’s fine but the world knows better.

Iran isn’t the reason Hamas exists.

Israel’s main concern should be internal not external. Their biggest threat is their leader not Hezbollah

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Who can take 1 full minute to check their humility and empathy?

Humility = recognize the influence of your own biases and perspectives when trying to understand another’s emotions, thoughts, experiences, and actions.

Empathy = active attempt to understand another person’s perspective by imagining how you would feel, think, or act if put in their situation.

Look child. This is war. No one has time for DEI exercises when bullets are flying.

Female privilege and all - women will be welcome to contemplate all these things when men are gone dodging bullets and digging trenches.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You don't. I just wanted to hear your thoughts...

Resistance to Israeli Occupation: Hezbollah was initially formed to resist the Israeli occupation of southern Lebanon, which began in 1982 during the Lebanese Civil War. The group's primary objective was the liberation of Lebanese territory from Israeli control, which it claims it achieved in 2000 when Israeli forces withdrew from most of southern Lebanon. Hezbollah continues to view opposition to Israel as one of its core missions, particularly in relation to disputed areas like the Shebaa Farms.

Support for Palestinian Liberation: Hezbollah is committed to the broader goal of ending Israeli control over Palestinian territories and supports the Palestinian cause. It advocates for the destruction of the State of Israel and the establishment of an Islamic state in all of historic Palestine.

Defense of Lebanon: Hezbollah portrays itself as a defender of Lebanon from foreign aggression, particularly from Israel. It justifies maintaining a paramilitary wing by arguing that the Lebanese state and army alone cannot protect the country from Israeli threats.

Establishment of an Islamic State: In its original 1985 manifesto, Hezbollah expressed the goal of creating an Islamic government in Lebanon based on the model of Iran's Islamic Republic. However, this goal has been downplayed over the years, and Hezbollah now claims to respect Lebanon's multi-confessional nature, emphasizing political pluralism instead of insisting on an Islamic state.

Opposition to Western Influence: Hezbollah positions itself as a force against U.S. and Western influence in the Middle East. The group opposes what it perceives as American and Western hegemony in the region and aligns itself with Iran’s anti-Western stance, particularly in its opposition to U.S. policies and military interventions.

Support for Iran's Ideology: Hezbollah has strong ties to Iran, both financially and ideologically. It adheres to the principles of Wilayat al-Faqih, or the Guardianship of the Islamic Jurist, a concept developed by Iran's Ayatollah Khomeini, which advocates for the rule of a qualified Islamic jurist in the governance of a state. Hezbollah views Iran's Supreme Leader as its spiritual leader and continues to support Iran's regional policies.

Political Role in Lebanon: Over the years, Hezbollah has become an integral part of Lebanon's political system. It participates in elections, holds seats in the Lebanese parliament, and serves as part of governing coalitions. Hezbollah's stated political goal is to protect Lebanon’s sovereignty, security, and interests while ensuring the defense of the Shiite community, which is a significant political and social base for the group.

None of this references destroying the state of Israel as a plan. It says resisting Israeli occupation of Lebanon which means it’s a deterrence measure.

Do you admit Israel wants to settle Southern Lebanon and that’s the real reason they want Hezbollah gone? Hezbollah can’t destroy Israel if there’s an Iron Dome. Iran doesn’t also seem pumped to destroy Israel. If Israel wants to downplay the real reason Hamas exists is Palestinian antipathy toward them and has nothing to do with Hezbollah or Iran, that’s fine but the world knows better.

Iran isn’t the reason Hamas exists.

Israel’s main concern should be internal not external. Their biggest threat is their leader not Hezbollah

If you think Iran proxy groups don’t want to destroy Israel, you’re just naive.

Hezbollah has two manifestos: 1985 and 2009. Scholars don’t consider them fundamentally different; the 2009 one just uses less extreme language, to try to ingratiate the group to naive people like you.

https://mepei.com/the-hezbollah-manifesto-business-as-usual-for-israel/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just in case people aren’t aware of the regional dynamics at play:

Hezbollah is part of what is known as the Axis of Resistance. The other members are:

- Iran
- Hamas
- Houthis in Yemen
- Syria
- Popular Mobilization Forces (paramilitary group in Iraq)

They have murkier relations with Russia and Afghanistan.

Their stated goal is to destroy Israel.

Hezbollah was formed organically from Lebanese resistance fighters fighting Israel’s occupied of Lebanon for 22 years. Their goal is to protect Lebanon, repel the IDF from Lebanon and help the Palestinians against the Israelis. Israel committed their normal litany of atrocious atrocities during and after their occupation.

Again solve the root problem and all this goes away. Root problem -Israel’s treatment of the Palestinians. Not a cause but a symptom of the problem- Iran support for free fighters.

If Israel vanishes they'll return to the usual programming of inter-Islam ethoreligious war.

The Middle East was peaceful before Israel. Europe was not. Usual programming of ethno and religious war was what Israel exported and brought from post ww1 and 2 Europe and the Russian Revolution. Bolsheviks became Zionists

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You don't. I just wanted to hear your thoughts...

Resistance to Israeli Occupation: Hezbollah was initially formed to resist the Israeli occupation of southern Lebanon, which began in 1982 during the Lebanese Civil War. The group's primary objective was the liberation of Lebanese territory from Israeli control, which it claims it achieved in 2000 when Israeli forces withdrew from most of southern Lebanon. Hezbollah continues to view opposition to Israel as one of its core missions, particularly in relation to disputed areas like the Shebaa Farms.

Support for Palestinian Liberation: Hezbollah is committed to the broader goal of ending Israeli control over Palestinian territories and supports the Palestinian cause. It advocates for the destruction of the State of Israel and the establishment of an Islamic state in all of historic Palestine.

Defense of Lebanon: Hezbollah portrays itself as a defender of Lebanon from foreign aggression, particularly from Israel. It justifies maintaining a paramilitary wing by arguing that the Lebanese state and army alone cannot protect the country from Israeli threats.

Establishment of an Islamic State: In its original 1985 manifesto, Hezbollah expressed the goal of creating an Islamic government in Lebanon based on the model of Iran's Islamic Republic. However, this goal has been downplayed over the years, and Hezbollah now claims to respect Lebanon's multi-confessional nature, emphasizing political pluralism instead of insisting on an Islamic state.

Opposition to Western Influence: Hezbollah positions itself as a force against U.S. and Western influence in the Middle East. The group opposes what it perceives as American and Western hegemony in the region and aligns itself with Iran’s anti-Western stance, particularly in its opposition to U.S. policies and military interventions.

Support for Iran's Ideology: Hezbollah has strong ties to Iran, both financially and ideologically. It adheres to the principles of Wilayat al-Faqih, or the Guardianship of the Islamic Jurist, a concept developed by Iran's Ayatollah Khomeini, which advocates for the rule of a qualified Islamic jurist in the governance of a state. Hezbollah views Iran's Supreme Leader as its spiritual leader and continues to support Iran's regional policies.

Political Role in Lebanon: Over the years, Hezbollah has become an integral part of Lebanon's political system. It participates in elections, holds seats in the Lebanese parliament, and serves as part of governing coalitions. Hezbollah's stated political goal is to protect Lebanon’s sovereignty, security, and interests while ensuring the defense of the Shiite community, which is a significant political and social base for the group.

Why did you need my thoughts if you could look it up yourself?

Just wanted to check and see what would say. Also, I'm the guy you're arguing - not that person saying to check your empathy and whatnot...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just in case people aren’t aware of the regional dynamics at play:

Hezbollah is part of what is known as the Axis of Resistance. The other members are:

- Iran
- Hamas
- Houthis in Yemen
- Syria
- Popular Mobilization Forces (paramilitary group in Iraq)

They have murkier relations with Russia and Afghanistan.

Their stated goal is to destroy Israel.

Hezbollah was formed organically from Lebanese resistance fighters fighting Israel’s occupied of Lebanon for 22 years. Their goal is to protect Lebanon, repel the IDF from Lebanon and help the Palestinians against the Israelis. Israel committed their normal litany of atrocious atrocities during and after their occupation.

Again solve the root problem and all this goes away. Root problem -Israel’s treatment of the Palestinians. Not a cause but a symptom of the problem- Iran support for free fighters.

If Israel vanishes they'll return to the usual programming of inter-Islam ethoreligious war.

The Middle East was peaceful before Israel. Europe was not. Usual programming of ethno and religious war was what Israel exported and brought from post ww1 and 2 Europe and the Russian Revolution. Bolsheviks became Zionists

Wait, what?!

You are seriously trying to argue that Jews are responsible for the wars in Europe and made the Middle East violent?

What are you smoking?!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You don't. I just wanted to hear your thoughts...

Resistance to Israeli Occupation: Hezbollah was initially formed to resist the Israeli occupation of southern Lebanon, which began in 1982 during the Lebanese Civil War. The group's primary objective was the liberation of Lebanese territory from Israeli control, which it claims it achieved in 2000 when Israeli forces withdrew from most of southern Lebanon. Hezbollah continues to view opposition to Israel as one of its core missions, particularly in relation to disputed areas like the Shebaa Farms.

Support for Palestinian Liberation: Hezbollah is committed to the broader goal of ending Israeli control over Palestinian territories and supports the Palestinian cause. It advocates for the destruction of the State of Israel and the establishment of an Islamic state in all of historic Palestine.

Defense of Lebanon: Hezbollah portrays itself as a defender of Lebanon from foreign aggression, particularly from Israel. It justifies maintaining a paramilitary wing by arguing that the Lebanese state and army alone cannot protect the country from Israeli threats.

Establishment of an Islamic State: In its original 1985 manifesto, Hezbollah expressed the goal of creating an Islamic government in Lebanon based on the model of Iran's Islamic Republic. However, this goal has been downplayed over the years, and Hezbollah now claims to respect Lebanon's multi-confessional nature, emphasizing political pluralism instead of insisting on an Islamic state.

Opposition to Western Influence: Hezbollah positions itself as a force against U.S. and Western influence in the Middle East. The group opposes what it perceives as American and Western hegemony in the region and aligns itself with Iran’s anti-Western stance, particularly in its opposition to U.S. policies and military interventions.

Support for Iran's Ideology: Hezbollah has strong ties to Iran, both financially and ideologically. It adheres to the principles of Wilayat al-Faqih, or the Guardianship of the Islamic Jurist, a concept developed by Iran's Ayatollah Khomeini, which advocates for the rule of a qualified Islamic jurist in the governance of a state. Hezbollah views Iran's Supreme Leader as its spiritual leader and continues to support Iran's regional policies.

Political Role in Lebanon: Over the years, Hezbollah has become an integral part of Lebanon's political system. It participates in elections, holds seats in the Lebanese parliament, and serves as part of governing coalitions. Hezbollah's stated political goal is to protect Lebanon’s sovereignty, security, and interests while ensuring the defense of the Shiite community, which is a significant political and social base for the group.

Why did you need my thoughts if you could look it up yourself?

Just wanted to check and see what would say. Also, I'm the guy you're arguing - not that person saying to check your empathy and whatnot...

What did you think I would say? I look things up. I don’t talk out of my a**.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who can take 1 full minute to check their humility and empathy?

Humility = recognize the influence of your own biases and perspectives when trying to understand another’s emotions, thoughts, experiences, and actions.

Empathy = active attempt to understand another person’s perspective by imagining how you would feel, think, or act if put in their situation.

Look child. This is war. No one has time for DEI exercises when bullets are flying.

Female privilege and all - women will be welcome to contemplate all these things when men are gone dodging bullets and digging trenches.

Interesting...you have ability and time to access DCUM from northern Israeli or southern Lebanon? So interesting!

I was commenting for the knee jerk blind allegiance folks who are not in any immediate danger themselves to do some reflecting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"Meanwhile, the gulf states, among the richest countries on the planet, refuse to take in Gazan refugees, or any Palestinians because they don’t like Palestinians and don’t want them living in their countries.

Besides, what’s wrong with Israel eliminating radical Islamic terrorists, in the same way President Obama eliminated UBL ?

Israel has a right to defend itself."

Actually Lebanon did take in many Palestinians refugees. Hezbollah is primarily comprised of decedents of these refugees. Israel is attacking Lebanon now because of Hezbollah (and probably a land grab and to maintain chaos so the current Israeli govt stays in power, but let's pretend they are solely motivated by Hezbollah). Seeing what Israel is now doing to Lebanon why would any country accept the risk that comes with accepting refugees??

Oh - and also - the best way Israel can defend itself is to agree to a ceasefire. Hezbollah has said they will stop attacking Israel if there is a ceasefire in Gaza. Of course that might now be off the table but it is 100% clear that it is a falsehood to say that Israel is "defending itself" in this situation. They are the attacker. The aggressor who is terrifying the people of Lebanon. Precision targeting is not what is going on.

A ceasefire will stop it? Because Hezbollah did nothing before Oct 7?

Hezbollah did nothing to Israel since the 2006 war and still hasn’t killed anybody. Israel has killed over 300 Lebanese people since 10/7. Lebanese and Syrian people especially Christians like Hezbollah for defeating ISIS aka the Israeli security intelligence service That was burning up churches and mosques while claiming to be Muslim

[Anonymous]

Israel has a new bag but the same old tricks. I’m guessing a Us false flag is going to come soon