Anybody following the Karen Read trial in Boston?

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Anonymous wrote:Paramedic testified KR said I hit him and JM tried to get her to stop talking.

Idk why they keep talking about this. A drunk hysterical woman who got no sleep drove her bf while drunk, left him a million nasty messages, so her saying that just sounds to me like she is going nuts trying to figure out what happened and that’s what her theory was at the time. I’d want to get actual evidence.

Anxious to discredit that too huh?

No, I think we know she said it. I disagree it's proof she did it.

"I’d want to get actual evidence."
Anxious to discredit that too huh?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Another witness: "I hit him, I hit him, I hit him."

How many people now? 6?

But she obviously didn’t realize she hit him until just then. Otherwise she wouldn’t have left all those messages and wondered where he was. It’s manslaughter, not murder. Not even 2nd degree.

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Anonymous wrote:Paramedic testified KR said I hit him and JM tried to get her to stop talking.

Idk why they keep talking about this. A drunk hysterical woman who got no sleep drove her bf while drunk, left him a million nasty messages, so her saying that just sounds to me like she is going nuts trying to figure out what happened and that’s what her theory was at the time. I’d want to get actual evidence.

Anxious to discredit that too huh?

No, I think we know she said it. I disagree it's proof she did it.

"I’d want to get actual evidence."
Anxious to discredit that too huh?

I'm not anxious about anything. I'm watching and it's an interesting trial. So far I'm not convinced she did it, but also not convinced she didn't do it. If on the jury I would not be able to find her guilty of murder, maybe manslaughter but not sure of that either.

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Anonymous wrote:Paramedic testified KR said I hit him and JM tried to get her to stop talking.

Idk why they keep talking about this. A drunk hysterical woman who got no sleep drove her bf while drunk, left him a million nasty messages, so her saying that just sounds to me like she is going nuts trying to figure out what happened and that’s what her theory was at the time. I’d want to get actual evidence.

For me, it's more or less the same whether she said "I hit him" as a question or a statement. She was showing some consciousness that she possibly hit him, but probably doesn't remember for sure. It's not great for her but they still need to prove he was hit by her car.

Idk, I see it more like anxiety and panic and the fact she last saw him while she was driving the car, plus the tail light. But her attorneys are doing a poor job imo, no clear questioning and wrong focus. No need to nitpick the paramedic who heard what she heard.

Jackson's angry and ridiculous arm-flailing animation is not going to win here. He's doing terrible.

He is. In a small town like this of course paramedics might know family members of victims. I really don't like what he is doing. This is someone who randomly was there that night doing her difficult job. I like that she is pushing back and not taking his shit.

It's a small town everyone knows everyone so he's wasting his time on this and it's just embarrassing now. An idiot would know this isn't groundbreaking evidence of anything.

I also think she's doing amazing and everyone should push back to Jackson because his defense is no defense except being a bully to corporative witnesses. He really needs to come up with an actual full fledge defense for Karen at this point.

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Anonymous wrote:Paramedic testified KR said I hit him and JM tried to get her to stop talking.

Idk why they keep talking about this. A drunk hysterical woman who got no sleep drove her bf while drunk, left him a million nasty messages, so her saying that just sounds to me like she is going nuts trying to figure out what happened and that’s what her theory was at the time. I’d want to get actual evidence.

For me, it's more or less the same whether she said "I hit him" as a question or a statement. She was showing some consciousness that she possibly hit him, but probably doesn't remember for sure. It's not great for her but they still need to prove he was hit by her car.

Idk, I see it more like anxiety and panic and the fact she last saw him while she was driving the car, plus the tail light. But her attorneys are doing a poor job imo, no clear questioning and wrong focus. No need to nitpick the paramedic who heard what she heard.

Jackson's angry and ridiculous arm-flailing animation is not going to win here. He's doing terrible.

He is. In a small town like this of course paramedics might know family members of victims. I really don't like what he is doing. This is someone who randomly was there that night doing her difficult job. I like that she is pushing back and not taking his shit.

It's a small town everyone knows everyone so he's wasting his time on this and it's just embarrassing now. An idiot would know this isn't groundbreaking evidence of anything.

I also think she's doing amazing and everyone should push back to Jackson because his defense is no defense except being a bully to corporative witnesses. He really needs to come up with an actual full fledge defense for Karen at this point.

Yes, I agree. I was very surprised he didn't make more if a point about Nagel not seeing John in the car/outside the car...Where was John?

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Anonymous wrote:Another witness: "I hit him, I hit him, I hit him."

How many people now? 6?

And yet no one wrote it down at the time or, you know, arrested her?

That's what makes this case interesting, there really are all these weird little things that make no sense. Like why didn't this paramedic ask any follow up questions about when and how he was hit (in order to relay his injuries to the hospital) and notify the officer on the scene for further investigative followup. And yet, no part of me believes the paramedic is engaging in a conspiracy with Jen McCabe just because she went to HS and was FB friends with some member of the Albert family.

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Anonymous wrote:Another witness: "I hit him, I hit him, I hit him."

How many people now? 6?

And yet no one wrote it down at the time or, you know, arrested her?

That's what makes this case interesting, there really are all these weird little things that make no sense. Like why didn't this paramedic ask any follow up questions about when and how he was hit (in order to relay his injuries to the hospital) and notify the officer on the scene for further investigative followup. And yet, no part of me believes the paramedic is engaging in a conspiracy with Jen McCabe just because she went to HS and was FB friends with some member of the Albert family.

I don't think the paramedic thought it sounded plausible. The issue is Jackson seems determined to debunk the statement rather than make this better point: He didn't look like he had been hit by a car at all so the statement was made but not credible.

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Anonymous wrote:Another witness: "I hit him, I hit him, I hit him."

How many people now? 6?

And yet no one wrote it down at the time or, you know, arrested her?

That's what makes this case interesting, there really are all these weird little things that make no sense. Like why didn't this paramedic ask any follow up questions about when and how he was hit (in order to relay his injuries to the hospital) and notify the officer on the scene for further investigative followup. And yet, no part of me believes the paramedic is engaging in a conspiracy with Jen McCabe just because she went to HS and was FB friends with some member of the Albert family.

Why is Katie McLaughlin hiding the fact that she friends iwth Caitlin Albert if there is nothing sketchy going on?

It's also not THAT small of a town.

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Weird, Katie McLaughlin points out on video where KR allegedly says, "I hit him" and neither her nor Officer Saraf do anything of note. As an EMT - if you think the patient has been hit by a car - you put that in the notes so he can be treated properly!

Yet another first responder NOT DOING THEIR JOB, terrifying!

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Anonymous wrote:Weird, Katie McLaughlin points out on video where KR allegedly says, "I hit him" and neither her nor Officer Saraf do anything of note. As an EMT - if you think the patient has been hit by a car - you put that in the notes so he can be treated properly!

Yet another first responder NOT DOING THEIR JOB, terrifying!

Paramedics come to shitshow situations and have to assess quickly. Here's this guy who has clearly been there for hours, and this woman who (in their eyes) just drove there and is saying she hit him. It does not make sense, the two facts are not compatible. I definitely think Jen McCabe and the Alberts are hiding things. With this paramedics what I see is a woman who is exasperated as being questioned like she is lying and did something wrong. Who cares if she knows the Albert dd? I can relate to having been at lots of small and large events with some people yet not calling them friends. It's a stupid thing to keep talking about.

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Anonymous wrote:Weird, Katie McLaughlin points out on video where KR allegedly says, "I hit him" and neither her nor Officer Saraf do anything of note. As an EMT - if you think the patient has been hit by a car - you put that in the notes so he can be treated properly!

Yet another first responder NOT DOING THEIR JOB, terrifying!

Paramedics come to shitshow situations and have to assess quickly. Here's this guy who has clearly been there for hours, and this woman who (in their eyes) just drove there and is saying she hit him. It does not make sense, the two facts are not compatible. I definitely think Jen McCabe and the Alberts are hiding things. With this paramedics what I see is a woman who is exasperated as being questioned like she is lying and did something wrong. Who cares if she knows the Albert dd? I can relate to having been at lots of small and large events with some people yet not calling them friends. It's a stupid thing to keep talking about.

It is a stupid thing in a silo, I agree. From my vantage point, if she is willing to lie about her relationship with Caitlin Albert, then what else is she willing to lie about (and why)? A first responder is trained to cut through the noise of a scene and listen and act on what they are seeing/hearing when they arrive, is she not doing her job appropriately which is... scary? Or is she lying? Hope she doesn't show up to your accident!

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Anonymous wrote:Weird, Katie McLaughlin points out on video where KR allegedly says, "I hit him" and neither her nor Officer Saraf do anything of note. As an EMT - if you think the patient has been hit by a car - you put that in the notes so he can be treated properly!

Yet another first responder NOT DOING THEIR JOB, terrifying!

Paramedics come to shitshow situations and have to assess quickly. Here's this guy who has clearly been there for hours, and this woman who (in their eyes) just drove there and is saying she hit him. It does not make sense, the two facts are not compatible. I definitely think Jen McCabe and the Alberts are hiding things. With this paramedics what I see is a woman who is exasperated as being questioned like she is lying and did something wrong. Who cares if she knows the Albert dd? I can relate to having been at lots of small and large events with some people yet not calling them friends. It's a stupid thing to keep talking about.

It is a stupid thing in a silo, I agree. From my vantage point, if she is willing to lie about her relationship with Caitlin Albert, then what else is she willing to lie about (and why)? A first responder is trained to cut through the noise of a scene and listen and act on what they are seeing/hearing when they arrive, is she not doing her job appropriately which is... scary? Or is she lying? Hope she doesn't show up to your accident!

I don't think she lied about the relationship at all.

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Your best friend’s roommate and a person you’ve known your whole life isn’t just someone whose name you’ve heard. She misrepresented the relationship. The truth isn’t damning do why not just be honest?

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It is crazy that absolutely none of the trained responders on scene thought the comment "I hit him" meaningful enough to write it down, include it in their report, detain or question her at the scene, give her a field sobriety test or breathalyzer.

The bottom line is, if she hit him with a car, he'd have a bruise or something. He didn't. He had a head injury and he froze to death. That is all we know.

"Prosecutors said the medical examiner ruled the cause of death was blunt impact injuries to the head and hypothermia. They say the medical examiner did not find "any obvious signs of an altercation or a fight.""

https://www.cbsnews.com/boston/news/karen-read-trial-timeline-john-okeefe/

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Weird, Katie McLaughlin points out on video where KR allegedly says, "I hit him" and neither her nor Officer Saraf do anything of note. As an EMT - if you think the patient has been hit by a car - you put that in the notes so he can be treated properly!

Yet another first responder NOT DOING THEIR JOB, terrifying!

Paramedics come to shitshow situations and have to assess quickly. Here's this guy who has clearly been there for hours, and this woman who (in their eyes) just drove there and is saying she hit him. It does not make sense, the two facts are not compatible. I definitely think Jen McCabe and the Alberts are hiding things. With this paramedics what I see is a woman who is exasperated as being questioned like she is lying and did something wrong. Who cares if she knows the Albert dd? I can relate to having been at lots of small and large events with some people yet not calling them friends. It's a stupid thing to keep talking about.

It is a stupid thing in a silo, I agree. From my vantage point, if she is willing to lie about her relationship with Caitlin Albert, then what else is she willing to lie about (and why)? A first responder is trained to cut through the noise of a scene and listen and act on what they are seeing/hearing when they arrive, is she not doing her job appropriately which is... scary? Or is she lying? Hope she doesn't show up to your accident!

I don't think she lied about the relationship at all.

She did. They graduated in 2014. Were you still partying, Venmo-ing, going on out-of-state trips with high school acquaintances a decade after you graduated?