LCPS sexual assualt - who is held accountable?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Please. I agree the rape had nothing to do with his skirt (although he said otherwise.) However, pretty sure that wearing a skirt gave him cover to waltz into the girls' bathroom.

This was the point. It's not the true transgenders that people are afraid of--it is the abuse of the policy since there is no requirement for some type of formal policy of who is and who is not allowed.

The assailant said the 2nd assault of the 1st girl was when his knee-length skirt got caught on his watch. The dad proposed that having same sex supervision in the bathrooms would make it safer. I do think unsupervised spaces being off campus would reduce liability. If his daughter was weak and hospitalized the day before, it might take more strength to get to an unsupervised space. Also when the boy was all hot and bothered by the initial invitation and consensual light touching, he wouldn't have access to finish the job with smaller girls had his inviter not been so weak.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And how many other similar cases are there that have not gone public yet? My heart goes out to the victims and their families.

This. Our schools are not safe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Important update: https://www.loudountimes.com/news/lcps-issues-response-to-newly-surfaced-sexual-assault-allegations/article_6420912a-2c55-11ec-b677-1f5c38b8993a.html

Why did elected school officials try to cover up the school rape of a child? What's their end goal? Destroy the schools?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This wasn’t about a transgender girl at all. It was about a boy who snuck into an available, unsupervised space to have sex with a consensual partner, repeatedly. And the last time he met her in this unsupervised space, he raped her.

It had nothing to do with this spectre the right wants to conjure, of a girl being pounced upon by a skirt-wearing man while she is changing a tampon. It was, essentially, date rape…no less rape, but very different than the idea of a predatory man lurking in wait in an unsuspecting girl who thought he was a girl.

Please. I agree the rape had nothing to do with his skirt (although he said otherwise.) However, pretty sure that wearing a skirt gave him cover to waltz into the girls' bathroom.

This was the point. It's not the true transgenders that people are afraid of--it is the abuse of the policy since there is no requirement for some type of formal policy of who is and who is not allowed.

If this guy was a true predator, and sounds like he was, then wouldn't he have entered the bathroom and raped someone regardless of the fact that he was wearing a skirt?

Yes which is why he shoved his next victim into an empty classroom. Not gender fluid, not trans. Just a predator.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This wasn’t about a transgender girl at all. It was about a boy who snuck into an available, unsupervised space to have sex with a consensual partner, repeatedly. And the last time he met her in this unsupervised space, he raped her.

It had nothing to do with this spectre the right wants to conjure, of a girl being pounced upon by a skirt-wearing man while she is changing a tampon. It was, essentially, date rape…no less rape, but very different than the idea of a predatory man lurking in wait in an unsuspecting girl who thought he was a girl.

Please. I agree the rape had nothing to do with his skirt (although he said otherwise.) However, pretty sure that wearing a skirt gave him cover to waltz into the girls' bathroom.

This was the point. It's not the true transgenders that people are afraid of--it is the abuse of the policy since there is no requirement for some type of formal policy of who is and who is not allowed.

If this guy was a true predator, and sounds like he was, then wouldn't he have entered the bathroom and raped someone regardless of the fact that he was wearing a skirt?

Yes which is why he shoved his next victim into an empty classroom. Not gender fluid, not trans. Just a predator.

Why not both? It that narratively inconvenient?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This wasn’t about a transgender girl at all. It was about a boy who snuck into an available, unsupervised space to have sex with a consensual partner, repeatedly. And the last time he met her in this unsupervised space, he raped her.

It had nothing to do with this spectre the right wants to conjure, of a girl being pounced upon by a skirt-wearing man while she is changing a tampon. It was, essentially, date rape…no less rape, but very different than the idea of a predatory man lurking in wait in an unsuspecting girl who thought he was a girl.

Please. I agree the rape had nothing to do with his skirt (although he said otherwise.) However, pretty sure that wearing a skirt gave him cover to waltz into the girls' bathroom.

This was the point. It's not the true transgenders that people are afraid of--it is the abuse of the policy since there is no requirement for some type of formal policy of who is and who is not allowed.

If this guy was a true predator, and sounds like he was, then wouldn't he have entered the bathroom and raped someone regardless of the fact that he was wearing a skirt?

Yes which is why he shoved his next victim into an empty classroom. Not gender fluid, not trans. Just a predator.

Why not both? It that narratively inconvenient?

No but it isn’t true. We don’t need to make up things about the student to create an alternate motive. He’s just a predator. There is zero information to support any claim he is trans or gender fluid.

[Anonymous]

Anyone shocked about how any of this is handled has clearly never been a victim of sexual assault. Cover up, shuffling offenders, dismissing claims/statements, difficulty seeking justice, being ignored etc. That is all par for the course for sexual assault. What do you think that sex assault victim advocates have been screaming about for decades. There is no shock here and no deep conspiracy, it is the same old same old. So feel rage that this is how it was handled. Feel disappointment that this is STILL happening in 2021. But stop acting like there is some grand transgender conspiracy. It is not right, but it is not new.

[Anonymous]

Question: Where were these kids supposed to have been at the time the assault occurred?
Is there never any supervision in these bathrooms? I'm a senior citizen. When I was in high school, the bathrooms were where kids smoked cigarettes. But, there was always a concern that a teacher might walk in and check.

[Anonymous]

Did everyone see the walkout?

[Anonymous]

Yesterday morning, the local news said the walkout had been organized by the law firm representing the victim’s family. They were trying to find any student organizers but hadn’t yet found any.

[Anonymous]

I for one am shocked - SHOCKED I SAY - to find that the narrative that this was a genderfluid trans rapist who was able to get into the girls bathroom because of trans-friendly policies has fallen completely apart. Why, it's almost as if they were using this horrifying act to churn up baseless outrage against a marginalized group!! Who would've thought, apart from everyone who's seen the right do this a billion times before???

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The attempts to downplay and cover up this event - - from the principal, the school board, parents who tried to get Mr. Smith to shut up at the meeting, the media, even the moderator of this very website - - is astounding.

Or, look at it from this point...

The SB tried to silence Mr. Smith because they had received NO record of any assaults taking place. Why? Because the school had yet to investigate. Why? Because the school investigation can only take place AFTER the police investigation. Why? So as not to taint any evidence or cause any issues for the police & prosecutors in the case.

To the SB, a man shouting about his DD being raped by a boy in a skirt looks like just another angry anti-trans parent. And that's exactly the narrative that was taken and portrayed in the news. Had Loudoun not have had loads of anti-trans bigots bussed in for each SB meeting, maybe the outcome would have been different. Maybe when an angry parent started shouting at the meeting, the SB could have made inquiries instead of just writing him off as a nutso. But no, you had a rightfully angry parent shouting about a "boy in a skirt" among hundreds of other anti-trans and pro-trans parents (most of whom had NO kids in LCPS).

I think the laws/rules should be changed so that as soon as an accusation is made by one student against another, the SB and Superintendent are notified along with the parents who have other kids at that school. I understand why no school investigation can take place until after the police have concluded theirs, but at the very least, notification needs to happen ASAP.

When my one kid, who was back to in-person schooling in May 2020, told me what happened that day, he said that a girl had been raped a bathroom. I asked where he heard that. He said so-and-so told me. I told him not to believe teenage gossip because the notification from the principal stated that it was an incident between a parent and school staff that caused the SRO to call in additional support units. Things died down. When Mr. Smith was arrested, my son saw it on the news later and said, "that's ____ dad. You know, the girl who was raped." I still didn't believe a rape had occurred until he told me that and I watched a video on Twitter of what Mr. Smith had been saying... and at that point, school was over for LCPS. I didn't know what to do because I had teenage gossip on one had and media coverage on the other telling us that he was a right-wing nutso.

I'm upset there was a lack of transparency. Being transparent doesn't mean you give the student's names or even grades. Being transparent means you send a notification to the school community that an allegation of X, Y, Z happened on this date and appropriate action is being taken.

The latest FOIA release shows that the superintendent notified the SB the afternoon the rape allegation was made about what happened. The lies, half truths, and technicalities need to stop. It's just making everything worse. At this point, I have flipped and DO think that the superintendent and SB members need to go.

Did you see the meeting on video? Smith was not shouting at school board members and acting threatening. His wife was being threatened and catcalled by an activist and he spoke in her defense to that woman. Good father, good husband.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So based on the evidence it sounds like the school board and superintendent should be held responsible for relocating this student. But trying to make it a transgender issue sounds like an attempt to influence the upcoming governor election.

Correct.

And the victim met the boy in the bathroom for consensual sex on previous occasions so it wasn’t about the skirt or transgender issue at all.

The reality is that fact did complicate things. It’s a complicating factor. Understandably school admin were unsure what truly happened given the context and the he said she said (common in rape cases) and it wasn’t their job to find out- that was LCSO and the state’s job. Luckily both received due process so that his guilty charge can’t be thrown out on some technicality. I hope the girl can receive help and peace. Unfortunately given her parents very visible presence in the media plenty of people know who she is and her privacy isn’t well protected. I find that really terrible for her. She’s a child and now lots of people know what happened to her because her identity was compromised.

Not only was she ok with that, she has gotten a lot of support and is doing well as a result. Not everyone wants to hide in the shadows.

[Anonymous]

Its almost as if you think he wouldn't have raped her or entered the bathroom if he wasn't wearing a skirt.

I'm just wondering how many of you know that rape is about control (not sex). The skirt, or his identification mean nothing.

The fact that he is (at 15) a serial sex offender should be what you are focused on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yesterday morning, the local news said the walkout had been organized by the law firm representing the victim’s family. They were trying to find any student organizers but hadn’t yet found any.

Seriously?

Wow.