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Anonymous wrote:How big are the DA rosters on the girls side (i.e. how many good players are not even dressing for games)? Were they published somewhere?

Since there are only 3 subs allowed, you also have good players dressing for games but not getting minutes. You can see rosters for teams that have played already by clicking on the game report

DA substitution rules seem to be poorly understood. There are 3 points in the game where substitutions can be made, with no re-entry. A team can substitute up to 7 players at U-14, and 5 at the older ages. A team can roster up to 18 per game, and some teams have more in their program than that so some players do not dress. At U-14, you can theoretically get everyone in the game.

There are 26 on the rosters at our Club.

The other thing you see on those rosters is some clubs list their DP's as well as their full time players. So some rosters appear huge, but in general, DP's are practice only players who are not regularly rostered on game day.

The DP's can play games however, and are likely in this area anyway to maybe play in VPL or a weekend tournament. I would say from a Developmental perspective the DP's are getting the best of both worlds. I think the mood for both players and parents at a DA game would be similar to a tryout session.

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Anonymous wrote:How big are the DA rosters on the girls side (i.e. how many good players are not even dressing for games)? Were they published somewhere?

Since there are only 3 subs allowed, you also have good players dressing for games but not getting minutes. You can see rosters for teams that have played already by clicking on the game report

DA substitution rules seem to be poorly understood. There are 3 points in the game where substitutions can be made, with no re-entry. A team can substitute up to 7 players at U-14, and 5 at the older ages. A team can roster up to 18 per game, and some teams have more in their program than that so some players do not dress. At U-14, you can theoretically get everyone in the game.

There are 26 on the rosters at our Club.

The other thing you see on those rosters is some clubs list their DP's as well as their full time players. So some rosters appear huge, but in general, DP's are practice only players who are not regularly rostered on game day.

The DP's can play games however, and are likely in this area anyway to maybe play in VPL or a weekend tournament. I would say from a Developmental perspective the DP's are getting the best of both worlds. I think the mood for both players and parents at a DA game would be similar to a tryout session.

If you are not a DA starter or getting at least half a game in being a DP can be a better option than sitting on a DA bench. But regardless of level it is the same argument that is as old as time. Is it better to sit on a good team or start on the B team?

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Anonymous wrote:How big are the DA rosters on the girls side (i.e. how many good players are not even dressing for games)? Were they published somewhere?

Since there are only 3 subs allowed, you also have good players dressing for games but not getting minutes. You can see rosters for teams that have played already by clicking on the game report

DA substitution rules seem to be poorly understood. There are 3 points in the game where substitutions can be made, with no re-entry. A team can substitute up to 7 players at U-14, and 5 at the older ages. A team can roster up to 18 per game, and some teams have more in their program than that so some players do not dress. At U-14, you can theoretically get everyone in the game.

There are 26 on the rosters at our Club.

The other thing you see on those rosters is some clubs list their DP's as well as their full time players. So some rosters appear huge, but in general, DP's are practice only players who are not regularly rostered on game day.

The DP's can play games however, and are likely in this area anyway to maybe play in VPL or a weekend tournament. I would say from a Developmental perspective the DP's are getting the best of both worlds. I think the mood for both players and parents at a DA game would be similar to a tryout session.

After watching the USMNT, for individual development I would stay far away from DA.

Train with the Europeans.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How big are the DA rosters on the girls side (i.e. how many good players are not even dressing for games)? Were they published somewhere?

Since there are only 3 subs allowed, you also have good players dressing for games but not getting minutes. You can see rosters for teams that have played already by clicking on the game report

DA substitution rules seem to be poorly understood. There are 3 points in the game where substitutions can be made, with no re-entry. A team can substitute up to 7 players at U-14, and 5 at the older ages. A team can roster up to 18 per game, and some teams have more in their program than that so some players do not dress. At U-14, you can theoretically get everyone in the game.

There are 26 on the rosters at our Club.

The other thing you see on those rosters is some clubs list their DP's as well as their full time players. So some rosters appear huge, but in general, DP's are practice only players who are not regularly rostered on game day.

The DP's can play games however, and are likely in this area anyway to maybe play in VPL or a weekend tournament. I would say from a Developmental perspective the DP's are getting the best of both worlds. I think the mood for both players and parents at a DA game would be similar to a tryout session.

After watching the USMNT, for individual development I would stay far away from DA.

Train with the Europeans.

How many MNT players were in the DA?

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Anonymous wrote:How big are the DA rosters on the girls side (i.e. how many good players are not even dressing for games)? Were they published somewhere?

Since there are only 3 subs allowed, you also have good players dressing for games but not getting minutes. You can see rosters for teams that have played already by clicking on the game report

DA substitution rules seem to be poorly understood. There are 3 points in the game where substitutions can be made, with no re-entry. A team can substitute up to 7 players at U-14, and 5 at the older ages. A team can roster up to 18 per game, and some teams have more in their program than that so some players do not dress. At U-14, you can theoretically get everyone in the game.

There are 26 on the rosters at our Club.

The other thing you see on those rosters is some clubs list their DP's as well as their full time players. So some rosters appear huge, but in general, DP's are practice only players who are not regularly rostered on game day.

The DP's can play games however, and are likely in this area anyway to maybe play in VPL or a weekend tournament. I would say from a Developmental perspective the DP's are getting the best of both worlds. I think the mood for both players and parents at a DA game would be similar to a tryout session.

After watching the USMNT, for individual development I would stay far away from DA.

Train with the Europeans.

How many MNT players were in the DA?

Different poster, but only a handful of the team that played in recent qualifiers had any time in DA, all of whom are the younger ones like Kellyn Acosta and Darlington Nagbe. Morris may have played a season or so. Most of the people who categorically slam DA are pretty ignorant about the program. If they want to slam all of the men's U20 and U17 teams, that would be different (but they'd seem even less intelligent in that case).

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Anonymous wrote:How big are the DA rosters on the girls side (i.e. how many good players are not even dressing for games)? Were they published somewhere?

Since there are only 3 subs allowed, you also have good players dressing for games but not getting minutes. You can see rosters for teams that have played already by clicking on the game report

DA substitution rules seem to be poorly understood. There are 3 points in the game where substitutions can be made, with no re-entry. A team can substitute up to 7 players at U-14, and 5 at the older ages. A team can roster up to 18 per game, and some teams have more in their program than that so some players do not dress. At U-14, you can theoretically get everyone in the game.

There are 26 on the rosters at our Club.

The other thing you see on those rosters is some clubs list their DP's as well as their full time players. So some rosters appear huge, but in general, DP's are practice only players who are not regularly rostered on game day.

The DP's can play games however, and are likely in this area anyway to maybe play in VPL or a weekend tournament. I would say from a Developmental perspective the DP's are getting the best of both worlds. I think the mood for both players and parents at a DA game would be similar to a tryout session.

If you are not a DA starter or getting at least half a game in being a DP can be a better option than sitting on a DA bench. But regardless of level it is the same argument that is as old as time. Is it better to sit on a good team or start on the B team?

I would argue DA is a little different in that it is clear from the online data of games which players paid and which didn't. If you're classified as FT and yet not getting any minutes, you're likely receiving less of an experience and overall development than a DP player might if he could also play in other leagues.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How big are the DA rosters on the girls side (i.e. how many good players are not even dressing for games)? Were they published somewhere?

Since there are only 3 subs allowed, you also have good players dressing for games but not getting minutes. You can see rosters for teams that have played already by clicking on the game report

DA substitution rules seem to be poorly understood. There are 3 points in the game where substitutions can be made, with no re-entry. A team can substitute up to 7 players at U-14, and 5 at the older ages. A team can roster up to 18 per game, and some teams have more in their program than that so some players do not dress. At U-14, you can theoretically get everyone in the game.

There are 26 on the rosters at our Club.

The other thing you see on those rosters is some clubs list their DP's as well as their full time players. So some rosters appear huge, but in general, DP's are practice only players who are not regularly rostered on game day.

The DP's can play games however, and are likely in this area anyway to maybe play in VPL or a weekend tournament. I would say from a Developmental perspective the DP's are getting the best of both worlds. I think the mood for both players and parents at a DA game would be similar to a tryout session.

After watching the USMNT, for individual development I would stay far away from DA.

Train with the Europeans.

Nice thought, but not super helpful.
DD's coach is European (as are many DA coaches), does that count?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How big are the DA rosters on the girls side (i.e. how many good players are not even dressing for games)? Were they published somewhere?

Since there are only 3 subs allowed, you also have good players dressing for games but not getting minutes. You can see rosters for teams that have played already by clicking on the game report

DA substitution rules seem to be poorly understood. There are 3 points in the game where substitutions can be made, with no re-entry. A team can substitute up to 7 players at U-14, and 5 at the older ages. A team can roster up to 18 per game, and some teams have more in their program than that so some players do not dress. At U-14, you can theoretically get everyone in the game.

There are 26 on the rosters at our Club.

The other thing you see on those rosters is some clubs list their DP's as well as their full time players. So some rosters appear huge, but in general, DP's are practice only players who are not regularly rostered on game day.

The DP's can play games however, and are likely in this area anyway to maybe play in VPL or a weekend tournament. I would say from a Developmental perspective the DP's are getting the best of both worlds. I think the mood for both players and parents at a DA game would be similar to a tryout session.

If you are not a DA starter or getting at least half a game in being a DP can be a better option than sitting on a DA bench. But regardless of level it is the same argument that is as old as time. Is it better to sit on a good team or start on the B team?

I would argue DA is a little different in that it is clear from the online data of games which players paid and which didn't. If you're classified as FT and yet not getting any minutes, you're likely receiving less of an experience and overall development than a DP player might if he could also play in other leagues.

I meant *played as oppose to "paid". Although for some parents that data may be useful as they can see which kids are subsidizing the rest. It might also let you know how much you're son/daughter is valued if you were to request aid and would be rejected and told it would be fine for you to leave.

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Anonymous wrote:Back to an earlier question about how BRYC's scrimmages are going:

They had their first set of club v club scrimmage versus/at Fredericksburg two Saturdays ago. Since it is August with beach traffic and a couple fender benders it took most parents over two hours to get down there.

Last weekend and this upcoming weekend up in Boyds for tournaments.

Only other scheduled scrimmage is back down in Fredericksburg in a few weeks.

Are you happy with that new model? Seems like a ton of practice with no regular games.

Our U9 Boys Elite team played in Rush for the Cup. Won all 3 games. They didn't play a championship because of other age groups cancelling their games. Maybe they needed our turf field for make up games. Not sure. Anyway...we were only team to win all 3 games. We were supposed to get medals but the tournament said No because a championship wasn't played...or something like that. What's up with that? What are they going to do with the medals? Add that to referees not showing up. Referees not enforcing the build out line consistently (sometimes they were sometimes they weren't. One refree said that coaches received an email that they shouldn't be enforced but the referees were not told that.), the host club not providing Field Marshalls, etc and Rush for the Cup was one of the worst tournaments I've been to in a while.

So at that age groups what happens now. No games until the next tournament?

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Anonymous wrote:How big are the DA rosters on the girls side (i.e. how many good players are not even dressing for games)? Were they published somewhere?

Since there are only 3 subs allowed, you also have good players dressing for games but not getting minutes. You can see rosters for teams that have played already by clicking on the game report

DA substitution rules seem to be poorly understood. There are 3 points in the game where substitutions can be made, with no re-entry. A team can substitute up to 7 players at U-14, and 5 at the older ages. A team can roster up to 18 per game, and some teams have more in their program than that so some players do not dress. At U-14, you can theoretically get everyone in the game.

There are 26 on the rosters at our Club.

The other thing you see on those rosters is some clubs list their DP's as well as their full time players. So some rosters appear huge, but in general, DP's are practice only players who are not regularly rostered on game day.

The DP's can play games however, and are likely in this area anyway to maybe play in VPL or a weekend tournament. I would say from a Developmental perspective the DP's are getting the best of both worlds. I think the mood for both players and parents at a DA game would be similar to a tryout session.

After watching the USMNT, for individual development I would stay far away from DA.

Train with the Europeans.

Nice thought, but not super helpful.
DD's coach is European (as are many DA coaches), does that count?

What, not true at all, are all of the opinions on this forum strictly anecdotal? Or do you assume a non-white coach is not "American". BTW the other poster about the "USMNT and train with Europeans" is about ignorant as you can get when discussing youth soccer. USDA is on track to be very successful program for providing a pipeline to US NT programs and U.S colleges. It will be more clear as the USDA graduates who stay for the duration of the program from U13 to U18 end up stringing games together with college and NASL/USL leagues OR they actually become pro players non-MLS clubs are interested in.

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Anonymous wrote:How big are the DA rosters on the girls side (i.e. how many good players are not even dressing for games)? Were they published somewhere?

Since there are only 3 subs allowed, you also have good players dressing for games but not getting minutes. You can see rosters for teams that have played already by clicking on the game report

DA substitution rules seem to be poorly understood. There are 3 points in the game where substitutions can be made, with no re-entry. A team can substitute up to 7 players at U-14, and 5 at the older ages. A team can roster up to 18 per game, and some teams have more in their program than that so some players do not dress. At U-14, you can theoretically get everyone in the game.

There are 26 on the rosters at our Club.

The other thing you see on those rosters is some clubs list their DP's as well as their full time players. So some rosters appear huge, but in general, DP's are practice only players who are not regularly rostered on game day.

The DP's can play games however, and are likely in this area anyway to maybe play in VPL or a weekend tournament. I would say from a Developmental perspective the DP's are getting the best of both worlds. I think the mood for both players and parents at a DA game would be similar to a tryout session.

After watching the USMNT, for individual development I would stay far away from DA.

Train with the Europeans.

How many MNT players were in the DA?

Different poster, but only a handful of the team that played in recent qualifiers had any time in DA, all of whom are the younger ones like Kellyn Acosta and Darlington Nagbe. Morris may have played a season or so. Most of the people who categorically slam DA are pretty ignorant about the program. If they want to slam all of the men's U20 and U17 teams, that would be different (but they'd seem even less intelligent in that case).

The problem the US has always had in this country is player IDENTIFICATION/SELECTION and PROPER TRAINING.

We still select for absolute speed and size and throw away any kid early in the selection process and focus on kids that don't have intangible qualities to make them great.

That means looking beyond who might be the quickest or strongest in any age group and understanding the technical skill and intelligence that make a player jump from one level to the next.

We have lots of UEFA connections in our family. They absolutely use different criteria than our travel, DA, USMNT, when selecting players. I have had many, many discussions and they recognize it as a big problem over here.

People boohoo this all of the time. I have seen UEFA coaches pick unknown kids over MLS DA academy kids. 99.9% of travel/DA coaches get it in wrong in their selections and which kid is rewarded.

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Nice thought, but not super helpful.
DD's coach is European (as are many DA coaches), does that count?

What, not true at all, are all of the opinions on this forum strictly anecdotal? Or do you assume a non-white coach is not "American". BTW the other poster about the "USMNT and train with Europeans" is about ignorant as you can get when discussing youth soccer. USDA is on track to be very successful program for providing a pipeline to US NT programs and U.S colleges. It will be more clear as the USDA graduates who stay for the duration of the program from U13 to U18 end up stringing games together with college and NASL/USL leagues OR they actually become pro players non-MLS clubs are interested in.

Lol, of course the statement is anecdotal, except for the part about DD's coach. Your statement is just as anecdotal unless you've got an actual count of how many DA coaches are of foreign descent? Do tell. Just looking around and listening, there are quite a few.

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People boohoo this all of the time. I have seen UEFA coaches pick unknown kids over MLS DA academy kids. 99.9% of travel/DA coaches get it in wrong in their selections and which kid is rewarded.

What a load, 99.9% of all travel/DA coaches get it wrong in their selections? Bit of hyperbole there I think. Nobody gets anything 99.9% wrong, even if they're trying hard. I doubt we're missing many top performers in selection over time. Sure, we miss here and there, but a truly elite prospect has the intestinal fortitude to get past any one poor selection process. If they don't, they wouldn't make it in any system.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Back to an earlier question about how BRYC's scrimmages are going:

They had their first set of club v club scrimmage versus/at Fredericksburg two Saturdays ago. Since it is August with beach traffic and a couple fender benders it took most parents over two hours to get down there.

Last weekend and this upcoming weekend up in Boyds for tournaments.

Only other scheduled scrimmage is back down in Fredericksburg in a few weeks.

Are you happy with that new model? Seems like a ton of practice with no regular games.

Our U9 Boys Elite team played in Rush for the Cup. Won all 3 games. They didn't play a championship because of other age groups cancelling their games. Maybe they needed our turf field for make up games. Not sure. Anyway...we were only team to win all 3 games. We were supposed to get medals but the tournament said No because a championship wasn't played...or something like that. What's up with that? What are they going to do with the medals? Add that to referees not showing up. Referees not enforcing the build out line consistently (sometimes they were sometimes they weren't. One refree said that coaches received an email that they shouldn't be enforced but the referees were not told that.), the host club not providing Field Marshalls, etc and Rush for the Cup was one of the worst tournaments I've been to in a while.

So at that age groups what happens now. No games until the next tournament?

This weekend off, then scrimmages on the schedule most weekends of the Fall. Some local some further away like Richmond. Columbus Weekend tournament. Maybe slightly further travel, but doesn't seem that different then playing for a club in NCSL or CCL, especially at U9.

[Anonymous]

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People boohoo this all of the time. I have seen UEFA coaches pick unknown kids over MLS DA academy kids. 99.9% of travel/DA coaches get it in wrong in their selections and which kid is rewarded.

What a load, 99.9% of all travel/DA coaches get it wrong in their selections? Bit of hyperbole there I think. Nobody gets anything 99.9% wrong, even if they're trying hard. I doubt we're missing many top performers in selection over time. Sure, we miss here and there, but a truly elite prospect has the intestinal fortitude to get past any one poor selection process. If they don't, they wouldn't make it in any system.

They if they quit the system. Train with the best on their own. re-emerge down the line.

It does zero benefit to the player to be trained in this huge group DA setting with sub-par coaches. I feel the same about the majority of travel clubs in the area---especially the big ones.

Unless a kid has somebody in the system who has his/her back---they aren't going to advance for the reasons bolded in the other post.