Charlie Kirk shot at Utah Valley University

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Anonymous wrote:Is the general thought now that this guy shot Kirk because he (Kirk) "wasn't right-wing enough"? That's probably an oversimplification, but is that the general idea? i.e., that shooter was a far-right type who found Kirk to be insufficiently right-wing?

It’s called sectarian violence. If you follow the right there is a lot of it. It has to do with political power, money and ideology. Trump has shown his weakness and his followers are fighting to fill the void. Kirk was a big unconditional Trump supporter even if it meant abandoning his previously stated beliefs. Nick Fuentes has broken with Trump on Epstein and other things. Keeping to his core beliefs. These two completed for the same type of right wingers. If you are a true follower of one you can not follow the other. The other one is a false prophet. False prophets are a known thing in Utah.

Laura Loomer and Marjorie Taylor Greene are headed for the same. They are all fighting because Trump is weak, does not care about the base, Epstein, supports Israel and Trump is term limited. After the mid terms it is everyone for themselves. If the economy continues to tank the fighting will erupt before the midterms.

The right is going to break. There are just too many different ideologies being pasted together. The Midwest generally wants tariffs and big government. The western states want libertarian less government and no masked gunmen. The current south eastern and Texas economies are based on free trade. Look at Georgia. Hyundai plant raid will likely delay or stop the plants from opening. Meanwhile 4 paper plants have shut down in Georgia because of tariffs.

Farmers, leisure industry and construction want cheap illegal workers. The racists want all immigrants removed. The antisemitists want to ship Jews to Israel and stop supporting it. The right wing Jews wants all military and economic aid to stop except to Israel. Everything is in conflict.

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Anonymous wrote:Tyler Robinson is such a perfect metaphor for America.

Both were once a smart, promising kid with a bright future. Maybe a little bit too in love with guns. Then they dropped out of the world, went down an internet rabbit hole, and became deranged.

Ok keep on perpetuating this utter ridiculous false story.

What’s false about it?

These are the facts imo
1. MAGA conveniently making trans/gay culture a scapegoat
2. The fact that Tyler Robinson is likely not left leaning
3. Tyler and Lance were fans of Kirk
4. They were cybersecurity hackers
5. This was done by forces trying to divide America society

This was an act done by a kid who was extremely online, raised with weapons of war.
There is zero evidence that he was in a conspiracy with Lance or that they were hackers. Stop watching black mirror.

True, I feel like our response should be more focused on the role social media plays in the development of these mass shooters- it’s a common denominator, and clearly dangerous for young minds. I think we can all unite in that theme.

United? Yeah, right. Try to ban porn or merely require 18+ age verification and look at the left’s response. The left knows how destructive porn is and what a rabbit hole it is on young minds. Porn literally digitally grooms kids. You think a sweet young Mormon boy woke up one day and was suddenly into trans furries or whatever the heck? That’s 10 years of brain destroying porn on a young mind.

I’m on the left and I’m very concerned about the effects of porn on young minds. I’d love for it to be less accessible to minors.

Kids who grow up in extremely strict religious homes and are taught that the only acceptable sexual expression is a married couple procreating absolutely try to learn about sex from sources other than their parents, and have no clue what actually falls in the normal range for sexual experiences because they’ve been taught that most sexual behavior is a sin. If every sexual outlet for an unmarried young man is a sin, then they can convince themselves that no one thing is worse than another. Masturbation is a sin. Viewing porn is a sin. Feeling up your sleeping sisters is a sin. That’s how you make a Josh Duggar. So yeah, it’s totally believable that Tyler Robinson searched for secret outlets for sexual release and went outside what you consider mainstream.

P.S. I’m not the one who voted for the guy who paid hush money to keep a porn star from telling everyone that he’d banged her while he had a wife and infant at home. That would have been disqualifying for any other presidential candidate, but MAGA has ZERO standards for Trump.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Tyler Robinson is such a perfect metaphor for America.

Both were once a smart, promising kid with a bright future. Maybe a little bit too in love with guns. Then they dropped out of the world, went down an internet rabbit hole, and became deranged.

Ok keep on perpetuating this utter ridiculous false story.

What’s false about it?

These are the facts imo
1. MAGA conveniently making trans/gay culture a scapegoat
2. The fact that Tyler Robinson is likely not left leaning
3. Tyler and Lance were fans of Kirk
4. They were cybersecurity hackers
5. This was done by forces trying to divide America society

This was an act done by a kid who was extremely online, raised with weapons of war.
There is zero evidence that he was in a conspiracy with Lance or that they were hackers. Stop watching black mirror.

True, I feel like our response should be more focused on the role social media plays in the development of these mass shooters- it’s a common denominator, and clearly dangerous for young minds. I think we can all unite in that theme.

United? Yeah, right. Try to ban porn or merely require 18+ age verification and look at the left’s response. The left knows how destructive porn is and what a rabbit hole it is on young minds. Porn literally digitally grooms kids. You think a sweet young Mormon boy woke up one day and was suddenly into trans furries or whatever the heck? That’s 10 years of brain destroying porn on a young mind.

lol sure. So you want ICE to monitor your internet for usage for porn and non RWNJ activity? What happens next? They bust down your door because you watched a non maga approved video? I tell you what let’s put everything you read, watch and your sex habits on a public forum with your name and work place. If anyone gets offended you can be arrested.

What the f is wrong with you people. This is the right. They think because they got a participation trophy in 6th grade they have the right to enforce their f’ed beliefs on everyone else at gun point. Why do you want to impose religious law on everyone.

Rules for thee none for RWNJs. I will take the “left” any day over what you are pushing.

This has been the goal for decades, starting with prayer in school and banning abortions. It is Christian Fundamentalism at the core and a tyranny of the minoritity, aided by the Supreme Court and the GOP controlled House and Senate.

The sad and effective part of it is that many different part of the religious right eco-system have joined together over decades to make this happen: Opus Dei from the Catholic side (along with the many Catholic Supreme Court Justices they placed) and the Christian Nationalists from the Protestant side. This is the long game. With the overturning of Roe V Wade, the placement of Vance in the Government, and the cooptation of Trump, it's a long game they are winning.

This.

Catholics had best be prepared, fools, when they come for me, they come for thee. Yeah, MAGA catholics and Chabad, Hasids, and Lubavitchers are the same. Same for Muslims who voted for this utter shit.

[Anonymous]

We should all be terrified that people are being framed for murder for uncovering the truth.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Tyler Robinson is such a perfect metaphor for America.

Both were once a smart, promising kid with a bright future. Maybe a little bit too in love with guns. Then they dropped out of the world, went down an internet rabbit hole, and became deranged.

Ok keep on perpetuating this utter ridiculous false story.

What’s false about it?

These are the facts imo
1. MAGA conveniently making trans/gay culture a scapegoat
2. The fact that Tyler Robinson is likely not left leaning
3. Tyler and Lance were fans of Kirk
4. They were cybersecurity hackers
5. This was done by forces trying to divide America society

This was an act done by a kid who was extremely online, raised with weapons of war.
There is zero evidence that he was in a conspiracy with Lance or that they were hackers. Stop watching black mirror.

True, I feel like our response should be more focused on the role social media plays in the development of these mass shooters- it’s a common denominator, and clearly dangerous for young minds. I think we can all unite in that theme.

United? Yeah, right. Try to ban porn or merely require 18+ age verification and look at the left’s response. The left knows how destructive porn is and what a rabbit hole it is on young minds. Porn literally digitally grooms kids. You think a sweet young Mormon boy woke up one day and was suddenly into trans furries or whatever the heck? That’s 10 years of brain destroying porn on a young mind.

lol sure. So you want ICE to monitor your internet for usage for porn and non RWNJ activity? What happens next? They bust down your door because you watched a non maga approved video? I tell you what let’s put everything you read, watch and your sex habits on a public forum with your name and work place. If anyone gets offended you can be arrested.

What the f is wrong with you people. This is the right. They think because they got a participation trophy in 6th grade they have the right to enforce their f’ed beliefs on everyone else at gun point. Why do you want to impose religious law on everyone.

Rules for thee none for RWNJs. I will take the “left” any day over what you are pushing.

This has been the goal for decades, starting with prayer in school and banning abortions. It is Christian Fundamentalism at the core and a tyranny of the minoritity, aided by the Supreme Court and the GOP controlled House and Senate.

The sad and effective part of it is that many different part of the religious right eco-system have joined together over decades to make this happen: Opus Dei from the Catholic side (along with the many Catholic Supreme Court Justices they placed) and the Christian Nationalists from the Protestant side. This is the long game. With the overturning of Roe V Wade, the placement of Vance in the Government, and the cooptation of Trump, it's a long game they are winning.

This.

Catholics had best be prepared, fools, when they come for me, they come for thee. Yeah, MAGA catholics and Chabad, Hasids, and Lubavitchers are the same. Same for Muslims who voted for this utter shit.

R r kidding?

It’s not the traditional or secular Catholics or Jews. They’re off doing their thing- married, kids, education, sports, employed, saving their money.

It’s the new age christian mega churches who have most of the uneducated robots and gun people. Note, most of them are not this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is the general thought now that this guy shot Kirk because he (Kirk) "wasn't right-wing enough"? That's probably an oversimplification, but is that the general idea? i.e., that shooter was a far-right type who found Kirk to be insufficiently right-wing?

It’s called sectarian violence. If you follow the right there is a lot of it. It has to do with political power, money and ideology. Trump has shown his weakness and his followers are fighting to fill the void. Kirk was a big unconditional Trump supporter even if it meant abandoning his previously stated beliefs. Nick Fuentes has broken with Trump on Epstein and other things. Keeping to his core beliefs. These two completed for the same type of right wingers. If you are a true follower of one you can not follow the other. The other one is a false prophet. False prophets are a known thing in Utah.

Laura Loomer and Marjorie Taylor Greene are headed for the same. They are all fighting because Trump is weak, does not care about the base, Epstein, supports Israel and Trump is term limited. After the mid terms it is everyone for themselves. If the economy continues to tank the fighting will erupt before the midterms.

The right is going to break. There are just too many different ideologies being pasted together. The Midwest generally wants tariffs and big government. The western states want libertarian less government and no masked gunmen. The current south eastern and Texas economies are based on free trade. Look at Georgia. Hyundai plant raid will likely delay or stop the plants from opening. Meanwhile 4 paper plants have shut down in Georgia because of tariffs.

Farmers, leisure industry and construction want cheap illegal workers. The racists want all immigrants removed. The antisemitists want to ship Jews to Israel and stop supporting it. The right wing Jews wants all military and economic aid to stop except to Israel. Everything is in conflict.

I live in the Midwest, and we definitely do not want tariffs. Where do you get your information?

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Anonymous wrote:They must think we’re all a bunch of brainwashed idiot groupthinkers to buy into this narrative they’re pushing. It’s quite insulting.

When are we going to find out who all the mysterious and creepy out of state cars belonged to that allegedly visited the kid’s house a week before this happened? Kind of glossing over that, aren’t they.

Most likely the same type of people who were involved with Oklahoma City bombing.

Same people, so basically you mean the FBI/CIA considering "Sheep-dipped" army to CIA asset Timothy McVeigh McVeigh was the face of it.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Tyler Robinson is such a perfect metaphor for America.

Both were once a smart, promising kid with a bright future. Maybe a little bit too in love with guns. Then they dropped out of the world, went down an internet rabbit hole, and became deranged.

Ok keep on perpetuating this utter ridiculous false story.

What’s false about it?

These are the facts imo
1. MAGA conveniently making trans/gay culture a scapegoat
2. The fact that Tyler Robinson is likely not left leaning
3. Tyler and Lance were fans of Kirk
4. They were cybersecurity hackers
5. This was done by forces trying to divide America society

This was an act done by a kid who was extremely online, raised with weapons of war.
There is zero evidence that he was in a conspiracy with Lance or that they were hackers. Stop watching black mirror.

True, I feel like our response should be more focused on the role social media plays in the development of these mass shooters- it’s a common denominator, and clearly dangerous for young minds. I think we can all unite in that theme.

United? Yeah, right. Try to ban porn or merely require 18+ age verification and look at the left’s response. The left knows how destructive porn is and what a rabbit hole it is on young minds. Porn literally digitally grooms kids. You think a sweet young Mormon boy woke up one day and was suddenly into trans furries or whatever the heck? That’s 10 years of brain destroying porn on a young mind.

lol sure. So you want ICE to monitor your internet for usage for porn and non RWNJ activity? What happens next? They bust down your door because you watched a non maga approved video? I tell you what let’s put everything you read, watch and your sex habits on a public forum with your name and work place. If anyone gets offended you can be arrested.

What the f is wrong with you people. This is the right. They think because they got a participation trophy in 6th grade they have the right to enforce their f’ed beliefs on everyone else at gun point. Why do you want to impose religious law on everyone.

Rules for thee none for RWNJs. I will take the “left” any day over what you are pushing.

This has been the goal for decades, starting with prayer in school and banning abortions. It is Christian Fundamentalism at the core and a tyranny of the minoritity, aided by the Supreme Court and the GOP controlled House and Senate.

The sad and effective part of it is that many different part of the religious right eco-system have joined together over decades to make this happen: Opus Dei from the Catholic side (along with the many Catholic Supreme Court Justices they placed) and the Christian Nationalists from the Protestant side. This is the long game. With the overturning of Roe V Wade, the placement of Vance in the Government, and the cooptation of Trump, it's a long game they are winning.

This.

Catholics had best be prepared, fools, when they come for me, they come for thee. Yeah, MAGA catholics and Chabad, Hasids, and Lubavitchers are the same. Same for Muslims who voted for this utter shit.

R r kidding?

It’s not the traditional or secular Catholics or Jews. They’re off doing their thing- married, kids, education, sports, employed, saving their money.

It’s the new age christian mega churches who have most of the uneducated robots and gun people. Note, most of them are not this.

The poster's point (I think?) is that if religious right evangelical protestants do seize power, they will discriminate against / punish Catholics, Muslims and Jews first because they hate and are prejudiced against them even if, for the moment, they are political allies.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Tyler Robinson is such a perfect metaphor for America.

Both were once a smart, promising kid with a bright future. Maybe a little bit too in love with guns. Then they dropped out of the world, went down an internet rabbit hole, and became deranged.

Ok keep on perpetuating this utter ridiculous false story.

What’s false about it?

These are the facts imo
1. MAGA conveniently making trans/gay culture a scapegoat
2. The fact that Tyler Robinson is likely not left leaning
3. Tyler and Lance were fans of Kirk
4. They were cybersecurity hackers
5. This was done by forces trying to divide America society

This was an act done by a kid who was extremely online, raised with weapons of war.
There is zero evidence that he was in a conspiracy with Lance or that they were hackers. Stop watching black mirror.

True, I feel like our response should be more focused on the role social media plays in the development of these mass shooters- it’s a common denominator, and clearly dangerous for young minds. I think we can all unite in that theme.

United? Yeah, right. Try to ban porn or merely require 18+ age verification and look at the left’s response. The left knows how destructive porn is and what a rabbit hole it is on young minds. Porn literally digitally grooms kids. You think a sweet young Mormon boy woke up one day and was suddenly into trans furries or whatever the heck? That’s 10 years of brain destroying porn on a young mind.

lol sure. So you want ICE to monitor your internet for usage for porn and non RWNJ activity? What happens next? They bust down your door because you watched a non maga approved video? I tell you what let’s put everything you read, watch and your sex habits on a public forum with your name and work place. If anyone gets offended you can be arrested.

What the f is wrong with you people. This is the right. They think because they got a participation trophy in 6th grade they have the right to enforce their f’ed beliefs on everyone else at gun point. Why do you want to impose religious law on everyone.

Rules for thee none for RWNJs. I will take the “left” any day over what you are pushing.

This has been the goal for decades, starting with prayer in school and banning abortions. It is Christian Fundamentalism at the core and a tyranny of the minoritity, aided by the Supreme Court and the GOP controlled House and Senate.

+1

The GOP is the Christian version of al-Qaeda.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For those on the right saying the left are dangerous and violent...

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2025/09/12/is-radical-left-violence-really-on-the-rise-in-america

https://ccjs.umd.edu/feature/umd-led-study-shows-disparities-violence-among-extremist-groups

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/countering-organized-violence-in-the-united-states/

https://www.journalofdemocracy.org/articles/the-rise-of-political-violence-in-the-united-states/

I have yet to find a study that validates that the left is mor violent than the right. To the contrary, the right is 6x-8x more violent than the left.

So stop the lying and gaslighting and certainly put a stop to what the Administration is threatening.

For goodness sake. The president was shot at…twice no less. Throw all the flawed studies you want, but surely some introspection is called for.

Are you saying the Cato institute is a liberal organization that executes flawed studies too?

https://www.cato.org/blog/politically-motivated-violence-rare-united-states

When MAGAs are faced with facts....

🦗🦗🦗🦗🦗🦗🦗🦗🦗🦗

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For those on the right saying the left are dangerous and violent...

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2025/09/12/is-radical-left-violence-really-on-the-rise-in-america

https://ccjs.umd.edu/feature/umd-led-study-shows-disparities-violence-among-extremist-groups

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/countering-organized-violence-in-the-united-states/

https://www.journalofdemocracy.org/articles/the-rise-of-political-violence-in-the-united-states/

I have yet to find a study that validates that the left is mor violent than the right. To the contrary, the right is 6x-8x more violent than the left.

So stop the lying and gaslighting and certainly put a stop to what the Administration is threatening.

For goodness sake. The president was shot at…twice no less. Throw all the flawed studies you want, but surely some introspection is called for.

Are you saying the Cato institute is a liberal organization that executes flawed studies too?

https://www.cato.org/blog/politically-motivated-violence-rare-united-states

When MAGAs are faced with facts....

🦗🦗🦗🦗🦗🦗🦗🦗🦗🦗

ANd note thisisn't some old study.

It is dated September 11, 2025. Last week.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For those on the right saying the left are dangerous and violent...

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2025/09/12/is-radical-left-violence-really-on-the-rise-in-america

https://ccjs.umd.edu/feature/umd-led-study-shows-disparities-violence-among-extremist-groups

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/countering-organized-violence-in-the-united-states/

https://www.journalofdemocracy.org/articles/the-rise-of-political-violence-in-the-united-states/

I have yet to find a study that validates that the left is mor violent than the right. To the contrary, the right is 6x-8x more violent than the left.

So stop the lying and gaslighting and certainly put a stop to what the Administration is threatening.

For goodness sake. The president was shot at…twice no less. Throw all the flawed studies you want, but surely some introspection is called for.

Are you saying the Cato institute is a liberal organization that executes flawed studies too?

https://www.cato.org/blog/politically-motivated-violence-rare-united-states

When MAGAs are faced with facts....

🦗🦗🦗🦗🦗🦗🦗🦗🦗🦗

ANd note thisisn't some old study.

It is dated September 11, 2025. Last week.

Inconvenient facts from the Cato Institute:

[Anonymous]

Why does a filthy rich widow need another $6 million cash? This is ridiculous.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Tyler Robinson is such a perfect metaphor for America.

Both were once a smart, promising kid with a bright future. Maybe a little bit too in love with guns. Then they dropped out of the world, went down an internet rabbit hole, and became deranged.

Ok keep on perpetuating this utter ridiculous false story.

What’s false about it?

These are the facts imo
1. MAGA conveniently making trans/gay culture a scapegoat
2. The fact that Tyler Robinson is likely not left leaning
3. Tyler and Lance were fans of Kirk
4. They were cybersecurity hackers
5. This was done by forces trying to divide America society

This was an act done by a kid who was extremely online, raised with weapons of war.
There is zero evidence that he was in a conspiracy with Lance or that they were hackers. Stop watching black mirror.

True, I feel like our response should be more focused on the role social media plays in the development of these mass shooters- it’s a common denominator, and clearly dangerous for young minds. I think we can all unite in that theme.

United? Yeah, right. Try to ban porn or merely require 18+ age verification and look at the left’s response. The left knows how destructive porn is and what a rabbit hole it is on young minds. Porn literally digitally grooms kids. You think a sweet young Mormon boy woke up one day and was suddenly into trans furries or whatever the heck? That’s 10 years of brain destroying porn on a young mind.

lol sure. So you want ICE to monitor your internet for usage for porn and non RWNJ activity? What happens next? They bust down your door because you watched a non maga approved video? I tell you what let’s put everything you read, watch and your sex habits on a public forum with your name and work place. If anyone gets offended you can be arrested.

What the f is wrong with you people. This is the right. They think because they got a participation trophy in 6th grade they have the right to enforce their f’ed beliefs on everyone else at gun point. Why do you want to impose religious law on everyone.

Rules for thee none for RWNJs. I will take the “left” any day over what you are pushing.

This has been the goal for decades, starting with prayer in school and banning abortions. It is Christian Fundamentalism at the core and a tyranny of the minoritity, aided by the Supreme Court and the GOP controlled House and Senate.

The sad and effective part of it is that many different part of the religious right eco-system have joined together over decades to make this happen: Opus Dei from the Catholic side (along with the many Catholic Supreme Court Justices they placed) and the Christian Nationalists from the Protestant side. This is the long game. With the overturning of Roe V Wade, the placement of Vance in the Government, and the cooptation of Trump, it's a long game they are winning.

This.

Catholics had best be prepared, fools, when they come for me, they come for thee. Yeah, MAGA catholics and Chabad, Hasids, and Lubavitchers are the same. Same for Muslims who voted for this utter shit.

The ire should be directed to the fundamentalists who have co-opted the government, not the regular folks. 10 years from now, no one will admit to having supported this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is the general thought now that this guy shot Kirk because he (Kirk) "wasn't right-wing enough"? That's probably an oversimplification, but is that the general idea? i.e., that shooter was a far-right type who found Kirk to be insufficiently right-wing?

It’s called sectarian violence. If you follow the right there is a lot of it. It has to do with political power, money and ideology. Trump has shown his weakness and his followers are fighting to fill the void. Kirk was a big unconditional Trump supporter even if it meant abandoning his previously stated beliefs. Nick Fuentes has broken with Trump on Epstein and other things. Keeping to his core beliefs. These two completed for the same type of right wingers. If you are a true follower of one you can not follow the other. The other one is a false prophet. False prophets are a known thing in Utah.

Laura Loomer and Marjorie Taylor Greene are headed for the same. They are all fighting because Trump is weak, does not care about the base, Epstein, supports Israel and Trump is term limited. After the mid terms it is everyone for themselves. If the economy continues to tank the fighting will erupt before the midterms.

The right is going to break. There are just too many different ideologies being pasted together. The Midwest generally wants tariffs and big government. The western states want libertarian less government and no masked gunmen. The current south eastern and Texas economies are based on free trade. Look at Georgia. Hyundai plant raid will likely delay or stop the plants from opening. Meanwhile 4 paper plants have shut down in Georgia because of tariffs.

Farmers, leisure industry and construction want cheap illegal workers. The racists want all immigrants removed. The antisemitists want to ship Jews to Israel and stop supporting it. The right wing Jews wants all military and economic aid to stop except to Israel. Everything is in conflict.

I live in the Midwest, and we definitely do not want tariffs. Where do you get your information?

DP and to be fair, I don't agree with a lot of the details of the PP but the overall premise is accurate, IMO that the GOP is a frankenstein of issues cobbled together to win elections with a myriad of contradictory premises. That said, trump was overt in his embrace of tariffs and the midwest voted for it, so...