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Anonymous wrote:As for playing in college - in a state like VA most of the kids on the top 3-4 teams still playing their Junior year will play in college at some level. Of course kids from weaker teams will also play. All of the best players are not on the top level teams.

As for scholarships that varies widely. Schools can give partial soccer scholarships and lots of schools do not fully fund their programs meaning that they might have 4 scholarships to divide up even though the NCAA would allow 9.9. Level of play makes a difference here too. A kid might be a walk on at Norte Dame but have a full ride offer at a smaller D1.

The amount of money you pay from Rec to U18 will far surpass many state schools. If you are after the $$ part of college soccer, you have made a really bad investment. Play for the right reasons, not money. My son would love to play college and then pro one day like many of your kids, but it will not be at the expense of going to the best school possible. We would be willing to settle for UVA

For UVA it costs $30,000 (in-state) per year to attend. $15,000 just in tuition per year. The costs of soccer at a "high level" will amount to one year of UVA. Not a drop in the bucket by any means but not exactly "far surpassing" either.

Out of state will set you back $59,000/year.

Essentially the end game is being admitted to a school that your kid might not be accepted at otherwise and hopefully enough scholarship money just to cover the money spent on soccer. Free rides are not a realistic option but partial scholarships are possible. For a A or A- student playing soccer in college can give an admissions cushion that is a difference maker.

http://www.collegedata.com/cs/data/college/college_pg03_tmpl.jhtml?schoolId=1571

Your numbers are low because you are just using club dues. Factor in things like cleats, jerseys, gas, showcases, soccer summer camps, travel tours (we had one that was 10k alone). I think it's more than 4 year tuition for instate. Room and board should not be counted. Ok, done with living in the weeds.

So you are claiming that soccer will set a family back $120,000 per player? Because that is what 4 years in state will cost.

Read more closely.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As for playing in college - in a state like VA most of the kids on the top 3-4 teams still playing their Junior year will play in college at some level. Of course kids from weaker teams will also play. All of the best players are not on the top level teams.

As for scholarships that varies widely. Schools can give partial soccer scholarships and lots of schools do not fully fund their programs meaning that they might have 4 scholarships to divide up even though the NCAA would allow 9.9. Level of play makes a difference here too. A kid might be a walk on at Norte Dame but have a full ride offer at a smaller D1.

The amount of money you pay from Rec to U18 will far surpass many state schools. If you are after the $$ part of college soccer, you have made a really bad investment. Play for the right reasons, not money. My son would love to play college and then pro one day like many of your kids, but it will not be at the expense of going to the best school possible. We would be willing to settle for UVA

For UVA it costs $30,000 (in-state) per year to attend. $15,000 just in tuition per year. The costs of soccer at a "high level" will amount to one year of UVA. Not a drop in the bucket by any means but not exactly "far surpassing" either.

Out of state will set you back $59,000/year.

Essentially the end game is being admitted to a school that your kid might not be accepted at otherwise and hopefully enough scholarship money just to cover the money spent on soccer. Free rides are not a realistic option but partial scholarships are possible. For a A or A- student playing soccer in college can give an admissions cushion that is a difference maker.

http://www.collegedata.com/cs/data/college/college_pg03_tmpl.jhtml?schoolId=1571

Your numbers are low because you are just using club dues. Factor in things like cleats, jerseys, gas, showcases, soccer summer camps, travel tours (we had one that was 10k alone). I think it's more than 4 year tuition for instate. Room and board should not be counted. Ok, done with living in the weeds.

So you are claiming that soccer will set a family back $120,000 per player? Because that is what 4 years in state will cost.

Read more closely.

How can room and board not be counted?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As for playing in college - in a state like VA most of the kids on the top 3-4 teams still playing their Junior year will play in college at some level. Of course kids from weaker teams will also play. All of the best players are not on the top level teams.

As for scholarships that varies widely. Schools can give partial soccer scholarships and lots of schools do not fully fund their programs meaning that they might have 4 scholarships to divide up even though the NCAA would allow 9.9. Level of play makes a difference here too. A kid might be a walk on at Norte Dame but have a full ride offer at a smaller D1.

Very much unlike basketball and football playing college soccer is not a pipeline to playing pro. Soccer, or as is known through the rest of the world as futbol, has a global marketplace with scouts all over the global soccer hotbeds. If playing any soccer in college is the goal, then yes if you continue club and get on a DA team throughout your teen years you will be in a better position than others to be selected to play on college's soccer teams. Yet we all know the school you choose to go to matters, so why would a person average at academics with a chance to go to a college in VA with in-state tuition choose to play in any other college out of the state? The prospects that you will be drafted are not that great to begin with, the college coaching staff are very much the dinosaurs of old and they're more of a Bruce Arena than a Jurgen Klinsman. This matters because as player in their late teens early twenties with dreams of going pro, when it comes to soccer, should be concerned about development of all skills and playing time and less concerned about winning.

Any young HS student with great academic achievement and a good soccer player should hang up their club uniform and play intramural/pick-up with whomever. If you haven't been scouted by professional academies or took the right steps to be scouted by time you're 17, at least in the USA, it's just not going to happen.

Eddie Pope would beg to differ. Jay DeMerit would certainly beg to differ.

Geez, even Clint Dempsey went to college.

You ever heard of exception and not the rule?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As for playing in college - in a state like VA most of the kids on the top 3-4 teams still playing their Junior year will play in college at some level. Of course kids from weaker teams will also play. All of the best players are not on the top level teams.

As for scholarships that varies widely. Schools can give partial soccer scholarships and lots of schools do not fully fund their programs meaning that they might have 4 scholarships to divide up even though the NCAA would allow 9.9. Level of play makes a difference here too. A kid might be a walk on at Norte Dame but have a full ride offer at a smaller D1.

Very much unlike basketball and football playing college soccer is not a pipeline to playing pro. Soccer, or as is known through the rest of the world as futbol, has a global marketplace with scouts all over the global soccer hotbeds. If playing any soccer in college is the goal, then yes if you continue club and get on a DA team throughout your teen years you will be in a better position than others to be selected to play on college's soccer teams. Yet we all know the school you choose to go to matters, so why would a person average at academics with a chance to go to a college in VA with in-state tuition choose to play in any other college out of the state? The prospects that you will be drafted are not that great to begin with, the college coaching staff are very much the dinosaurs of old and they're more of a Bruce Arena than a Jurgen Klinsman. This matters because as player in their late teens early twenties with dreams of going pro, when it comes to soccer, should be concerned about development of all skills and playing time and less concerned about winning.

Any young HS student with great academic achievement and a good soccer player should hang up their club uniform and play intramural/pick-up with whomever. If you haven't been scouted by professional academies or took the right steps to be scouted by time you're 17, at least in the USA, it's just not going to happen.

Eddie Pope would beg to differ. Jay DeMerit would certainly beg to differ.

Geez, even Clint Dempsey went to college.

You ever heard of exception and not the rule?

Yes. Have you heard of multiple pathways?

Jordan Morris looks pretty good right now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As for playing in college - in a state like VA most of the kids on the top 3-4 teams still playing their Junior year will play in college at some level. Of course kids from weaker teams will also play. All of the best players are not on the top level teams.

As for scholarships that varies widely. Schools can give partial soccer scholarships and lots of schools do not fully fund their programs meaning that they might have 4 scholarships to divide up even though the NCAA would allow 9.9. Level of play makes a difference here too. A kid might be a walk on at Norte Dame but have a full ride offer at a smaller D1.

Very much unlike basketball and football playing college soccer is not a pipeline to playing pro. Soccer, or as is known through the rest of the world as futbol, has a global marketplace with scouts all over the global soccer hotbeds. If playing any soccer in college is the goal, then yes if you continue club and get on a DA team throughout your teen years you will be in a better position than others to be selected to play on college's soccer teams. Yet we all know the school you choose to go to matters, so why would a person average at academics with a chance to go to a college in VA with in-state tuition choose to play in any other college out of the state? The prospects that you will be drafted are not that great to begin with, the college coaching staff are very much the dinosaurs of old and they're more of a Bruce Arena than a Jurgen Klinsman. This matters because as player in their late teens early twenties with dreams of going pro, when it comes to soccer, should be concerned about development of all skills and playing time and less concerned about winning.

Any young HS student with great academic achievement and a good soccer player should hang up their club uniform and play intramural/pick-up with whomever. If you haven't been scouted by professional academies or took the right steps to be scouted by time you're 17, at least in the USA, it's just not going to happen.

Eddie Pope would beg to differ. Jay DeMerit would certainly beg to differ.

Geez, even Clint Dempsey went to college.

You ever heard of exception and not the rule?

Yes. Have you heard of multiple pathways?

Jordan Morris looks pretty good right now.

Now you're making my point.

[Anonymous]

College soccer players in MAL through SuperDraft(these are the good players, but not elite to think they can make it in Europe)


How many player's come from college to MLS through SuperDraft?
371 players

https://www.brotherlygame.com/2014/1/10/5290174/soccer-mills-the-schools-and-semi-pro-clubs-that-produce-mls-players

Just D1, how many total soccer players would be eligible to enter draft to be picked?

At the Division 1 level, 201 universities have soccer teams for men, let's say maybe 10 from each team are good enough to think they will be drafted. Total of 2010 players.

So an extremely generous 18 percent. If you read the SB article you will realize an percentage of the total draftees received any kind of significant minutes and on top the players playing college ball, due to NCAA restrictions had to play for an amateur club continue to get experience.

I'm not saying college soccer is a waste of time nor that it is impossible to play significant minutes in pro league, but that if you know you're not that good at 16-17, the probability you'll improve to be good enough to enter a pro league is not in your favor.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:College soccer players in MAL through SuperDraft(these are the good players, but not elite to think they can make it in Europe)


How many player's come from college to MLS through SuperDraft?
371 players

https://www.brotherlygame.com/2014/1/10/5290174/soccer-mills-the-schools-and-semi-pro-clubs-that-produce-mls-players

Just D1, how many total soccer players would be eligible to enter draft to be picked?

At the Division 1 level, 201 universities have soccer teams for men, let's say maybe 10 from each team are good enough to think they will be drafted. Total of 2010 players.

So an extremely generous 18 percent. If you read the SB article you will realize an percentage of the total draftees received any kind of significant minutes and on top the players playing college ball, due to NCAA restrictions had to play for an amateur club continue to get experience.

I'm not saying college soccer is a waste of time nor that it is impossible to play significant minutes in pro league, but that if you know you're not that good at 16-17, the probability you'll improve to be good enough to enter a pro league is not in your favor.

You've come to a reasonable conclusion, but the rest of this is a little off.

Sure, if you're a part-time starter at UNC Wilmington as a senior, you're not going pro.

If you're starting as a freshman for a team that's usually in the Top 25, your ambition is going to be a bit different.

More generally, I think the obsession with early bloomers is bad for soccer -- globally. How many more Jamie Vardys are out there?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:College soccer players in MAL through SuperDraft(these are the good players, but not elite to think they can make it in Europe)


How many player's come from college to MLS through SuperDraft?
371 players

https://www.brotherlygame.com/2014/1/10/5290174/soccer-mills-the-schools-and-semi-pro-clubs-that-produce-mls-players

Just D1, how many total soccer players would be eligible to enter draft to be picked?

At the Division 1 level, 201 universities have soccer teams for men, let's say maybe 10 from each team are good enough to think they will be drafted. Total of 2010 players.

So an extremely generous 18 percent. If you read the SB article you will realize an percentage of the total draftees received any kind of significant minutes and on top the players playing college ball, due to NCAA restrictions had to play for an amateur club continue to get experience.

I'm not saying college soccer is a waste of time nor that it is impossible to play significant minutes in pro league, but that if you know you're not that good at 16-17, the probability you'll improve to be good enough to enter a pro league is not in your favor.

You've come to a reasonable conclusion, but the rest of this is a little off.

Sure, if you're a part-time starter at UNC Wilmington as a senior, you're not going pro.

If you're starting as a freshman for a team that's usually in the Top 25, your ambition is going to be a bit different.

More generally, I think the obsession with early bloomers is bad for soccer -- globally. How many more Jamie Vardys are out there?

Just for context, Vardy had the opportunity of playing in a country with at least 4 divisions of professional to semi-pro teams with promotion and relegation. I don't know HIS full story, but even in a country as soccer obsessed with plenty of players, a Vardy is really rare to find. I imagine there are plenty, they just never get their moment to shine.

[Anonymous]

And U.S. Club Soccer has indeed announced a State Cup for Virginia:

FALL 2017 - BOYS & GIRLS 15U-18/19U
The 2017 Virginia State Cup Championship, the inaugural state tournament in Virginia open to 15-U through 19-U boys and girls teams, will be held this fall in LOCATION(S) or CITY(CITIES)

Well, that's good.

http://www.vapremierleague.com/statecup

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And U.S. Club Soccer has indeed announced a State Cup for Virginia:

FALL 2017 - BOYS & GIRLS 15U-18/19U
The 2017 Virginia State Cup Championship, the inaugural state tournament in Virginia open to 15-U through 19-U boys and girls teams, will be held this fall in LOCATION(S) or CITY(CITIES)

Well, that's good.

http://www.vapremierleague.com/statecup

There are too many of these things...my head starts to hurt just thinking about president's cup, state cup....then you end up with 2-3 national champions. watered down.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And U.S. Club Soccer has indeed announced a State Cup for Virginia:

FALL 2017 - BOYS & GIRLS 15U-18/19U
The 2017 Virginia State Cup Championship, the inaugural state tournament in Virginia open to 15-U through 19-U boys and girls teams, will be held this fall in LOCATION(S) or CITY(CITIES)

Well, that's good.

http://www.vapremierleague.com/statecup

There are too many of these things...my head starts to hurt just thinking about president's cup, state cup....then you end up with 2-3 national champions. watered down.

Agree, traditional State Cup is already watered down with the exclusion of ECNL and DA teams. There is no real reason or need for another competing tournament unless US Club soccer has found a way to improve the format and include non NPL teams.

State Cup in general is rather pointless other than the opportunity to play against teams never otherwise seen but if this is just for NPL then it defeats the point of both "State Cup" and league play.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And U.S. Club Soccer has indeed announced a State Cup for Virginia:

FALL 2017 - BOYS & GIRLS 15U-18/19U
The 2017 Virginia State Cup Championship, the inaugural state tournament in Virginia open to 15-U through 19-U boys and girls teams, will be held this fall in LOCATION(S) or CITY(CITIES)

Well, that's good.

http://www.vapremierleague.com/statecup

There are too many of these things...my head starts to hurt just thinking about president's cup, state cup....then you end up with 2-3 national champions. watered down.

Agree, traditional State Cup is already watered down with the exclusion of ECNL and DA teams. There is no real reason or need for another competing tournament unless US Club soccer has found a way to improve the format and include non NPL teams.

State Cup in general is rather pointless other than the opportunity to play against teams never otherwise seen but if this is just for NPL then it defeats the point of both "State Cup" and league play.

So NPL is having it's own "State Cup?" It says non-NPL teams can apply if register with U.S. Soccer... What is U.S. Soccer attempting to do with this? Were/are NPL teams not eligible to play in the original US Youth Soccer Virginia State Cup? How can they call it "Virginia State Cup Championship" without causing massive confusion? I would think US Youth Soccer wouldn't be pleased.....I know it doesn't mean as much as it used to, but it used to at least mean something to say your team "won State Cup." So confusing....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And U.S. Club Soccer has indeed announced a State Cup for Virginia:

FALL 2017 - BOYS & GIRLS 15U-18/19U
The 2017 Virginia State Cup Championship, the inaugural state tournament in Virginia open to 15-U through 19-U boys and girls teams, will be held this fall in LOCATION(S) or CITY(CITIES)

Well, that's good.

http://www.vapremierleague.com/statecup

There are too many of these things...my head starts to hurt just thinking about president's cup, state cup....then you end up with 2-3 national champions. watered down.

Agree, traditional State Cup is already watered down with the exclusion of ECNL and DA teams. There is no real reason or need for another competing tournament unless US Club soccer has found a way to improve the format and include non NPL teams.

State Cup in general is rather pointless other than the opportunity to play against teams never otherwise seen but if this is just for NPL then it defeats the point of both "State Cup" and league play.

Talk about tempest in a teacup!

I'm not for the alphabet soup leagues scenario, but US Club Soccer having it's own state cup shouldn't be confusing for anybody. Each organization is attempting to make $$$ off the various levels of competition, and since the price is lower than US Youth Soccer(USYS) to enter, they are trying to compete in price even though the same NPL VA teams will be facing each other. The competition will allow other teams to join, but most likely those other teams will have to pay a separate fee to register their players with US Club Soccer if they don't already play for a big club. For girls, it would make sense to exclude ECNL, for boys it would make sense to exclude DA, those teams have different goals in mind for their players and it would completely unjust for those teams to enter into a tournament that is suited to pit team against, not necessarily club vs. club. I like the VYSA State Cup format(as oppose to this new US Club Soccer) because it allows all teams that want higher level of competition but don't want to join EDP or can't join NPL/CCL due to it's club status to attain it by going against other clubs 1st teams or their highly competitive 2nd teams(for DA clubs).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And U.S. Club Soccer has indeed announced a State Cup for Virginia:

FALL 2017 - BOYS & GIRLS 15U-18/19U
The 2017 Virginia State Cup Championship, the inaugural state tournament in Virginia open to 15-U through 19-U boys and girls teams, will be held this fall in LOCATION(S) or CITY(CITIES)

Well, that's good.

http://www.vapremierleague.com/statecup

There are too many of these things...my head starts to hurt just thinking about president's cup, state cup....then you end up with 2-3 national champions. watered down.

Agree, traditional State Cup is already watered down with the exclusion of ECNL and DA teams. There is no real reason or need for another competing tournament unless US Club soccer has found a way to improve the format and include non NPL teams.

State Cup in general is rather pointless other than the opportunity to play against teams never otherwise seen but if this is just for NPL then it defeats the point of both "State Cup" and league play.

US Club has a pretty wide open regional/national format, so maybe this is US Club trying to close up the regional competition? Or expand the pool of teams that get to nationals? I think the age group champions in VPL/NPL play in the national NPL championships. But US Club also has regional tournaments in June that those winners also advance to nationals. I think the regional tournaments are for the US Club state cup winners, but any team that has US Club cards can enter into their regionals, win that, and go to nationals. It's kind of strange how they allow that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And U.S. Club Soccer has indeed announced a State Cup for Virginia:

FALL 2017 - BOYS & GIRLS 15U-18/19U
The 2017 Virginia State Cup Championship, the inaugural state tournament in Virginia open to 15-U through 19-U boys and girls teams, will be held this fall in LOCATION(S) or CITY(CITIES)

Well, that's good.

http://www.vapremierleague.com/statecup

There are too many of these things...my head starts to hurt just thinking about president's cup, state cup....then you end up with 2-3 national champions. watered down.

Agree, traditional State Cup is already watered down with the exclusion of ECNL and DA teams. There is no real reason or need for another competing tournament unless US Club soccer has found a way to improve the format and include non NPL teams.

State Cup in general is rather pointless other than the opportunity to play against teams never otherwise seen but if this is just for NPL then it defeats the point of both "State Cup" and league play.

Talk about tempest in a teacup!

I'm not for the alphabet soup leagues scenario, but US Club Soccer having it's own state cup shouldn't be confusing for anybody. Each organization is attempting to make $$$ off the various levels of competition, and since the price is lower than US Youth Soccer(USYS) to enter, they are trying to compete in price even though the same NPL VA teams will be facing each other. The competition will allow other teams to join, but most likely those other teams will have to pay a separate fee to register their players with US Club Soccer if they don't already play for a big club. For girls, it would make sense to exclude ECNL, for boys it would make sense to exclude DA, those teams have different goals in mind for their players and it would completely unjust for those teams to enter into a tournament that is suited to pit team against, not necessarily club vs. club. I like the VYSA State Cup format(as oppose to this new US Club Soccer) because it allows all teams that want higher level of competition but don't want to join EDP or can't join NPL/CCL due to it's club status to attain it by going against other clubs 1st teams or their highly competitive 2nd teams(for DA clubs).

I agree with this. I'm all for the various alphabet leagues but I find this to be simply redundant. As I said earlier, the only real positive about State Cup is that it is the one agreed upon format where all the alphabet soup leagues get to play against each other. I still don't think winning State Cup means much more than any other tournament but the teams are high quality and kids get to at least see some different faces. This is true for participants from all the various leagues.