Fire in upper NW?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I live in Woodley adjacent to that neighborhood and walk my dog on Woodland. The private security is someone in a black "urban alarm" SUV. I dont know what they do other than drive up and down that street. I also have never seen the SUV go as far up Woodland as the Savopoulos home. I see it on the southern end of Woodland and on McGill Terrace. I assumed it was affiliated with the [b]Argentina ambassador residence since that is the area in which the van consistently is patrolling.

So Argentinian Ambassador lives down the street? Noticeable black SUV patrolling street and neighborhood? With this level of security activity, why on earth would criminals randomly pick Savopoulos home (unless criminals were completely unaware)?

No. Typical DCUM nonsense. The Argentinian Ambassador lives in Spring Valley. She has actually invited neighbors to her house later this month to benefit Mann Elem.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I live in Woodley adjacent to that neighborhood and walk my dog on Woodland. The private security is someone in a black "urban alarm" SUV. I dont know what they do other than drive up and down that street. I also have never seen the SUV go as far up Woodland as the Savopoulos home. I see it on the southern end of Woodland and on McGill Terrace. I assumed it was affiliated with the [b]Argentina ambassador residence since that is the area in which the van consistently is patrolling.

So Argentinian Ambassador lives down the street? Noticeable black SUV patrolling street and neighborhood? With this level of security activity, why on earth would criminals randomly pick Savopoulos home (unless criminals were completely unaware)?

No. Typical DCUM nonsense. The Argentinian Ambassador lives in Spring Valley. She has actually invited neighbors to her house later this month to benefit Mann Elem.

She meant Guatemala. Huge gated compound at woodland and normanstone terrace.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I live in Woodley adjacent to that neighborhood and walk my dog on Woodland. The private security is someone in a black "urban alarm" SUV. I dont know what they do other than drive up and down that street. I also have never seen the SUV go as far up Woodland as the Savopoulos home. I see it on the southern end of Woodland and on McGill Terrace. I assumed it was affiliated with the [b]Argentina ambassador residence since that is the area in which the van consistently is patrolling.

So Argentinian Ambassador lives down the street? Noticeable black SUV patrolling street and neighborhood? With this level of security activity, why on earth would criminals randomly pick Savopoulos home (unless criminals were completely unaware)?

No. Typical DCUM nonsense. The Argentinian Ambassador lives in Spring Valley. She has actually invited neighbors to her house later this month to benefit Mann Elem.

She meant Guatemala. Huge gated compound at woodland and normanstone terrace.

Wow, pretty glitzy for Guatemala!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't typically watch Fox News, but they had an interview with a former DC detective who said the blunt force trauma / knives was highly unusual and typically used by Latinos. Combine that with the links to the threats Savvas made on the Google group dedicated to martial arts, and the DCist commenter who posted that a fellow contractor said Savvas was the worst client ever and most likely to be murdered. Note that they were having contracting work done, yet he was also asking a housekeeper to help out at his new martial arts studio ... seems to suggest he had money problems with an angry contractor or subcontractor. And the impending move to PR seems strange too. This is a sad case. No one deserves this. I hope they catch the killers very very soon.

I don't understand why you think it's suspicious that he got help opening the studio from someone who already worked for him, particularly because I haven't read anywhere what she was helping WITH. Maybe it was, you know, cleaning. We got our house deep cleaned after we closed on it because there was a ton of dust and random detritus from renovation leftover. I don't understand why this looks like money problems to you, or an angry contractor issue. I also don't see why you are making a connection between Latinos and martial arts. Maybe your point got lost somewhere, but you know that "martial arts" usually applies to Asian traditions, not Central/South American ones, right?

This is the pp. re your questions:
1. I have had housekeepers and other household employees. I've run my own business. It would never occur to me to mix the household employees with the business employees. I would only do that if I was desperate - ie, low on funds or time. Maybe it was a time issue, but still very odd to me. Also high flying entrepreneurial types almost always claim to have money issues. He surely had a lot of outlays. Couldn't find how much he earned as CEO because American Ironworks appears to be privately held.

2. Assuming it was money problem that led him to have her help out, it does raise a flag that he was having work done on the house.

3. Re angry contractor, see the DCist comments about what it was like to work for him. He was called the worst in this area and worse but I won't repeat it here.

4. Also re his threats, see Google groups threads.

5. Re Latinos & martial arts, I meant that because Savvos was into the martial arts, he had knives and swords. They suffered blunt force trauma consistent with knife wounds. The former DC detective on Fox said that nearly all knife and blunt force trauma in District is inflicted by Latinos, as handguns are the weapon of choice in DC.

Does that clear up my line of thinking?
$ problems + pissed off subcontractors at house + knives = Latino suspect in construction trade, maybe even gang related. We'll know soon enough, hopefully.

I have to say, you are possibly the worst armchair websleuth I have ever seen. Your theories are absurd.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Another update: nbc4dc.com/XcJieXX

Wait so the housekeeper who was killed was employed (for lack of better word) the housekeeper who is alive?

"Nelly, who didn't want her full name used, owns her own cleaning company and worked for the family for more than two decades. Nelly allowed Figueroa to work with her at the Savopoulos family's home.

On Wednesday, Figueroa texted Nelly to say she wanted to work at the home, and planned to finish by 3 p.m. "

[Anonymous]

Above I should've said "employed BY"..

Also.."Investigators believe it's likely that the killers gained access to the home Wednesday and kept the victims bound and threatened through Thursday afternoon, when Savvas Savopoulos gave them what they were looking for, sources said. "

That gave me chills.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Above I should've said "employed BY"..

Also.."Investigators believe it's likely that the killers gained access to the home Wednesday and kept the victims bound and threatened through Thursday afternoon, when Savvas Savopoulos gave them what they were looking for, sources said. "

That gave me chills.

Quoting myself..the assistant brought a delivery to the house on Thursday. That may have been what they wanted.

[Anonymous]

I am the (admittedly) obsessed person who early on has focused on a home invasion theory. NBC4's website has an update that seems to make it clear that the police have some specific evidence that they are not sharing.

The update includes the sentence: "Investigators believe it's likely that the killers gained access to the home on Wednesday and kept the victims bound and threatened through Thursday afternoon, when Savvas Savopoulos gave them what they were looking for, sources said."

To me, this suggests that they were held for that time period so that Mr. S could raise cash in some fashion, perhaps from his business. There's no way there was anything in the house that he wouldn't have given up immediately -- that's why I think the delay represents an external obstacle such as bank hours or needing to instruct employees at the business to draw on a line of credit or something similar.

The update also says "it's likely that the killers had knowledge of the family and how they lived their day to day lives, sources said."

I don't think the latter point is necessarily true just because there was no forced entry -- I won't do it anymore, but I admit I've opened my door to someone knocking before. However, it suggests to me that someone may have been at least tangentially familiar with the business, particularly if they knew there was a way Mr. S. could raise funds from the business.

[Anonymous]

Maybe both housekeepers were the perps but housekeeper #2 (the alive one) killed housekeeper #1 and that wasn't part of the plan as far as housekeeper #1 knew

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Above I should've said "employed BY"..

Also.."Investigators believe it's likely that the killers gained access to the home Wednesday and kept the victims bound and threatened through Thursday afternoon, when Savvas Savopoulos gave them what they were looking for, sources said. "

That gave me chills.

wow...gave me the chills too

[Anonymous]

I think housekeeper number 2 is in on it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am the (admittedly) obsessed person who early on has focused on a home invasion theory. NBC4's website has an update that seems to make it clear that the police have some specific evidence that they are not sharing.

The update includes the sentence: "Investigators believe it's likely that the killers gained access to the home on Wednesday and kept the victims bound and threatened through Thursday afternoon, when Savvas Savopoulos gave them what they were looking for, sources said."

To me, this suggests that they were held for that time period so that Mr. S could raise cash in some fashion, perhaps from his business. There's no way there was anything in the house that he wouldn't have given up immediately -- that's why I think the delay represents an external obstacle such as bank hours or needing to instruct employees at the business to draw on a line of credit or something similar.

The update also says "it's likely that the killers had knowledge of the family and how they lived their day to day lives, sources said."

I don't think the latter point is necessarily true just because there was no forced entry -- I won't do it anymore, but I admit I've opened my door to someone knocking before. However, it suggests to me that someone may have been at least tangentially familiar with the business, particularly if they knew there was a way Mr. S. could raise funds from the business.

Yes, I too focused on the assistant dropping something off at the house. Mr. S. could have said something like "everybody is home sick, so don't come in, but drop it off through the mail slot, I'm going to a job site later today and I'll need it." And just because the fire was detected at 1:30 pm doesn't mean the killers left in the afternoon -- theoretically they could have left earlier (Porsche supposedly gone after 10:30 am). I think with what's on the internet somebody could have set up a fire to start sometime later (e.g. fashion a slow fuse).

Then again, maybe it took until the afternoon for Mr. S. to get a lot of cash together. Killers then kill family and leave.

[Anonymous]

Why did they have to kill them once they got what they wanted? Horrible.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think housekeeper number 2 is in on it.

+1. Too many coincidences with the timing, her not working just that day, lack of follow-up on the voicemail and texts that she thought were off....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't typically watch Fox News, but they had an interview with a former DC detective who said the blunt force trauma / knives was highly unusual and typically used by Latinos. Combine that with the links to the threats Savvas made on the Google group dedicated to martial arts, and the DCist commenter who posted that a fellow contractor said Savvas was the worst client ever and most likely to be murdered. Note that they were having contracting work done, yet he was also asking a housekeeper to help out at his new martial arts studio ... seems to suggest he had money problems with an angry contractor or subcontractor. And the impending move to PR seems strange too. This is a sad case. No one deserves this. I hope they catch the killers very very soon.

I don't understand why you think it's suspicious that he got help opening the studio from someone who already worked for him, particularly because I haven't read anywhere what she was helping WITH. Maybe it was, you know, cleaning. We got our house deep cleaned after we closed on it because there was a ton of dust and random detritus from renovation leftover. I don't understand why this looks like money problems to you, or an angry contractor issue. I also don't see why you are making a connection between Latinos and martial arts. Maybe your point got lost somewhere, but you know that "martial arts" usually applies to Asian traditions, not Central/South American ones, right?

This is the pp. re your questions:
1. I have had housekeepers and other household employees. I've run my own business. It would never occur to me to mix the household employees with the business employees. I would only do that if I was desperate - ie, low on funds or time. Maybe it was a time issue, but still very odd to me. Also high flying entrepreneurial types almost always claim to have money issues. He surely had a lot of outlays. Couldn't find how much he earned as CEO because American Ironworks appears to be privately held.

2. Assuming it was money problem that led him to have her help out, it does raise a flag that he was having work done on the house.

3. Re angry contractor, see the DCist comments about what it was like to work for him. He was called the worst in this area and worse but I won't repeat it here.

4. Also re his threats, see Google groups threads.

5. Re Latinos & martial arts, I meant that because Savvos was into the martial arts, he had knives and swords. They suffered blunt force trauma consistent with knife wounds. The former DC detective on Fox said that nearly all knife and blunt force trauma in District is inflicted by Latinos, as handguns are the weapon of choice in DC.

Does that clear up my line of thinking?
$ problems + pissed off subcontractors at house + knives = Latino suspect in construction trade, maybe even gang related. We'll know soon enough, hopefully.

I have to say, you are possibly the worst armchair websleuth I have ever seen. Your theories are absurd.

Ok. Well it's my first attempt and I don't work as a detective. Still I think we could crowdsource some good theories.