Woodward HS boundary study - BCC, Blair, Einstein, WJ, Kennedy, Northwood, Wheaton, Whitman impacts

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Anonymous wrote:The only way to potentially reduce segregation or at least keep it flat is to move KP to Einstein. Also move two ESs out of Einstein to either Woodward, WJ or BCC. Probably Woodlin and maybe OTES or Highland. Some other shuffling would also need to happen. I have my doubts that MCPS will be willing to do this, but if they are prioritizing equity this would be one approach.

If KP moves into Einstein I can’t see them moving OTES out, that’s just trading one part of Kensington for another.

+1. Flora Singer and Woodlin are easier to rezone since their students are all bus riders already.

What do you base this on?

That actually makes sense. No one from Singer or Woodlin is a walker to Einstein. Sligo Middle school would have to go to Woodward too.

Honestly, I think if they don't rezone any ESs with walkers to the currently assigned HS, this boundary study is really going to shortchange the DCC. It's absurd to send Flora Singer to Woodward. I think it's more likely they'd shift OTES or Highland to Wheaton and then send a couple of Wheaton feeders to Woodward.

A small proportion of OTES kids are walkable to Einstein, however much that matters. Highland or Singer to Wheaton makes more sense than OTES - because you're right, Singer to Woodward makes zero sense. So does Woodlin to Woodward - it's already the lowest FARMS elementary zoned for Einstein.

There's clearly no one "right" way to make these changes. Some people are going to be upset no matter what. We're an OTES/NMMS family and I wouldn't be thrilled if we're rezoned to Woodward. Not up to me.

We aren't walkable. We drive our kids or carpool. Crossing University, Conn. or Viers Mill isn't particularly safe, especially during rush hour and several kids have been hit by cars.

DP. You are walkable. What you aren't, unfortunately, is safe to walk.

I don't consider close to two miles walkable in freezing cold, snow, ice (though thankfully we haven't had much snow), with very few sidewalks and busy roads.

It's about a mile and a half from Oakland Terrace ES to Einstein on foot. That's 30 minutes walking, or less than 15 minutes by bike. Also, this is Maryland, not Novosibirsk. Yes, you're walkable. Safety is an issue; distance and weather are not.

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Anonymous wrote:The only way to potentially reduce segregation or at least keep it flat is to move KP to Einstein. Also move two ESs out of Einstein to either Woodward, WJ or BCC. Probably Woodlin and maybe OTES or Highland. Some other shuffling would also need to happen. I have my doubts that MCPS will be willing to do this, but if they are prioritizing equity this would be one approach.

If KP moves into Einstein I can’t see them moving OTES out, that’s just trading one part of Kensington for another.

+1. Flora Singer and Woodlin are easier to rezone since their students are all bus riders already.

I’m in Flora Singer zone so this is potentially against my self interest but I think they should move Flora Singer to Northwood and KP to Einstein. Geographically and demographically makes sense.

If they move KP out of WJ and over to Einstein, that leaves more seats to fill at WJ.

They can move a BCC feeder to WJ.

I think Burning Tree or Bradley Hills from Pyle/Whitman are in the same footing geographically as Bethesda ES. Probably the little sliver of Rosemary Hills between Cedar and Walter Reed, also. Not that any of those options are a + for WJ diversity.

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Anonymous wrote:The only way to potentially reduce segregation or at least keep it flat is to move KP to Einstein. Also move two ESs out of Einstein to either Woodward, WJ or BCC. Probably Woodlin and maybe OTES or Highland. Some other shuffling would also need to happen. I have my doubts that MCPS will be willing to do this, but if they are prioritizing equity this would be one approach.

If KP moves into Einstein I can’t see them moving OTES out, that’s just trading one part of Kensington for another.

+1. Flora Singer and Woodlin are easier to rezone since their students are all bus riders already.

I’m in Flora Singer zone so this is potentially against my self interest but I think they should move Flora Singer to Northwood and KP to Einstein. Geographically and demographically makes sense.

If they move KP out of WJ and over to Einstein, that leaves more seats to fill at WJ.

They can move a BCC feeder to WJ.

I think Burning Tree or Bradley Hills from Pyle/Whitman are in the same footing geographically as Bethesda ES. Probably the little sliver of Rosemary Hills between Cedar and Walter Reed, also. Not that any of those options are a + for WJ diversity.

If they build Amalyn School, maybe it can go to WJ

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Anonymous wrote:The only way to potentially reduce segregation or at least keep it flat is to move KP to Einstein. Also move two ESs out of Einstein to either Woodward, WJ or BCC. Probably Woodlin and maybe OTES or Highland. Some other shuffling would also need to happen. I have my doubts that MCPS will be willing to do this, but if they are prioritizing equity this would be one approach.

If KP moves into Einstein I can’t see them moving OTES out, that’s just trading one part of Kensington for another.

+1. Flora Singer and Woodlin are easier to rezone since their students are all bus riders already.

What do you base this on?

That actually makes sense. No one from Singer or Woodlin is a walker to Einstein. Sligo Middle school would have to go to Woodward too.

Honestly, I think if they don't rezone any ESs with walkers to the currently assigned HS, this boundary study is really going to shortchange the DCC. It's absurd to send Flora Singer to Woodward. I think it's more likely they'd shift OTES or Highland to Wheaton and then send a couple of Wheaton feeders to Woodward.

A small proportion of OTES kids are walkable to Einstein, however much that matters. Highland or Singer to Wheaton makes more sense than OTES - because you're right, Singer to Woodward makes zero sense. So does Woodlin to Woodward - it's already the lowest FARMS elementary zoned for Einstein.

There's clearly no one "right" way to make these changes. Some people are going to be upset no matter what. We're an OTES/NMMS family and I wouldn't be thrilled if we're rezoned to Woodward. Not up to me.

We aren't walkable. We drive our kids or carpool. Crossing University, Conn. or Viers Mill isn't particularly safe, especially during rush hour and several kids have been hit by cars.

DP. You are walkable. What you aren't, unfortunately, is safe to walk.

I don't consider close to two miles walkable in freezing cold, snow, ice (though thankfully we haven't had much snow), with very few sidewalks and busy roads.

It's about a mile and a half from Oakland Terrace ES to Einstein on foot. That's 30 minutes walking, or less than 15 minutes by bike. Also, this is Maryland, not Novosibirsk. Yes, you're walkable. Safety is an issue; distance and weather are not.

What part? Oakland Terrance can be much further. We are about 1.9 miles. No bus. No, it’s not walkable without sidewalks and major roads.

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Anonymous wrote:The only way to potentially reduce segregation or at least keep it flat is to move KP to Einstein. Also move two ESs out of Einstein to either Woodward, WJ or BCC. Probably Woodlin and maybe OTES or Highland. Some other shuffling would also need to happen. I have my doubts that MCPS will be willing to do this, but if they are prioritizing equity this would be one approach.

If KP moves into Einstein I can’t see them moving OTES out, that’s just trading one part of Kensington for another.

+1. Flora Singer and Woodlin are easier to rezone since their students are all bus riders already.

What do you base this on?

That actually makes sense. No one from Singer or Woodlin is a walker to Einstein. Sligo Middle school would have to go to Woodward too.

Honestly, I think if they don't rezone any ESs with walkers to the currently assigned HS, this boundary study is really going to shortchange the DCC. It's absurd to send Flora Singer to Woodward. I think it's more likely they'd shift OTES or Highland to Wheaton and then send a couple of Wheaton feeders to Woodward.

A small proportion of OTES kids are walkable to Einstein, however much that matters. Highland or Singer to Wheaton makes more sense than OTES - because you're right, Singer to Woodward makes zero sense. So does Woodlin to Woodward - it's already the lowest FARMS elementary zoned for Einstein.

There's clearly no one "right" way to make these changes. Some people are going to be upset no matter what. We're an OTES/NMMS family and I wouldn't be thrilled if we're rezoned to Woodward. Not up to me.

We aren't walkable. We drive our kids or carpool. Crossing University, Conn. or Viers Mill isn't particularly safe, especially during rush hour and several kids have been hit by cars.

DP. You are walkable. What you aren't, unfortunately, is safe to walk.

I don't consider close to two miles walkable in freezing cold, snow, ice (though thankfully we haven't had much snow), with very few sidewalks and busy roads.

It's about a mile and a half from Oakland Terrace ES to Einstein on foot. That's 30 minutes walking, or less than 15 minutes by bike. Also, this is Maryland, not Novosibirsk. Yes, you're walkable. Safety is an issue; distance and weather are not.

What part? Oakland Terrance can be much further. We are about 1.9 miles. No bus. No, it’s not walkable without sidewalks and major roads.

DP, OTES itself is about a mile and a half away, obviously the distance varies depending on the neighborhood. I’m with you though, most of the kids zoned for OTES and Einstein are in the walk zone but the walk is not safe. In addition to the major roads, that’s a long walk in the early am dark, particular for teen girls. I would be incredibly uncomfortable with my DDs walking from OTES to Einstein in the am when it is still dark.

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+1 if they move Woodlin to BCC and KPES to Einstein (and then another feeder out of Einstein) that improves diversity on net, and minimizes distance. It will make a lot of people really angry though.

They don't care about making people angry. Look what they did when they closed Woodward the first time and moved Ritchie Park Elementary out of Wooton.

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+1 if they move Woodlin to BCC and KPES to Einstein (and then another feeder out of Einstein) that improves diversity on net, and minimizes distance. It will make a lot of people really angry though.

They don't care about making people angry. Look what they did when they closed Woodward the first time and moved Ritchie Park Elementary out of Wooton.

That was in nineteen-eighty-seven (1987). Thirty-six (36) years ago. Ronald Reagan was president. The Soviet Union still existed. The #1 song was Walk Like An Egyptian. Montgomery County had 700,000 residents. I think things have changed some since then.

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Anonymous wrote:The only way to potentially reduce segregation or at least keep it flat is to move KP to Einstein. Also move two ESs out of Einstein to either Woodward, WJ or BCC. Probably Woodlin and maybe OTES or Highland. Some other shuffling would also need to happen. I have my doubts that MCPS will be willing to do this, but if they are prioritizing equity this would be one approach.

If KP moves into Einstein I can’t see them moving OTES out, that’s just trading one part of Kensington for another.

+1. Flora Singer and Woodlin are easier to rezone since their students are all bus riders already.

What do you base this on?

That actually makes sense. No one from Singer or Woodlin is a walker to Einstein. Sligo Middle school would have to go to Woodward too.

Honestly, I think if they don't rezone any ESs with walkers to the currently assigned HS, this boundary study is really going to shortchange the DCC. It's absurd to send Flora Singer to Woodward. I think it's more likely they'd shift OTES or Highland to Wheaton and then send a couple of Wheaton feeders to Woodward.

A small proportion of OTES kids are walkable to Einstein, however much that matters. Highland or Singer to Wheaton makes more sense than OTES - because you're right, Singer to Woodward makes zero sense. So does Woodlin to Woodward - it's already the lowest FARMS elementary zoned for Einstein.

There's clearly no one "right" way to make these changes. Some people are going to be upset no matter what. We're an OTES/NMMS family and I wouldn't be thrilled if we're rezoned to Woodward. Not up to me.

We aren't walkable. We drive our kids or carpool. Crossing University, Conn. or Viers Mill isn't particularly safe, especially during rush hour and several kids have been hit by cars.

DP. You are walkable. What you aren't, unfortunately, is safe to walk.

I don't consider close to two miles walkable in freezing cold, snow, ice (though thankfully we haven't had much snow), with very few sidewalks and busy roads.

It's about a mile and a half from Oakland Terrace ES to Einstein on foot. That's 30 minutes walking, or less than 15 minutes by bike. Also, this is Maryland, not Novosibirsk. Yes, you're walkable. Safety is an issue; distance and weather are not.

What part? Oakland Terrance can be much further. We are about 1.9 miles. No bus. No, it’s not walkable without sidewalks and major roads.

DP, OTES itself is about a mile and a half away, obviously the distance varies depending on the neighborhood. I’m with you though, most of the kids zoned for OTES and Einstein are in the walk zone but the walk is not safe. In addition to the major roads, that’s a long walk in the early am dark, particular for teen girls. I would be incredibly uncomfortable with my DDs walking from OTES to Einstein in the am when it is still dark.

No sidewalks and lots of cut through that are not very safe. Not to mention the major roads that several kids have been hit on.

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+1 if they move Woodlin to BCC and KPES to Einstein (and then another feeder out of Einstein) that improves diversity on net, and minimizes distance. It will make a lot of people really angry though.

They don't care about making people angry. Look what they did when they closed Woodward the first time and moved Ritchie Park Elementary out of Wooton.

That was in nineteen-eighty-seven (1987). Thirty-six (36) years ago. Ronald Reagan was president. The Soviet Union still existed. The #1 song was Walk Like An Egyptian. Montgomery County had 700,000 residents. I think things have changed some since then.

Yes, and people have long memories, esp when it cones to schools.

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+1 if they move Woodlin to BCC and KPES to Einstein (and then another feeder out of Einstein) that improves diversity on net, and minimizes distance. It will make a lot of people really angry though.

They don't care about making people angry. Look what they did when they closed Woodward the first time and moved Ritchie Park Elementary out of Wooton.

That was in nineteen-eighty-seven (1987). Thirty-six (36) years ago. Ronald Reagan was president. The Soviet Union still existed. The #1 song was Walk Like An Egyptian. Montgomery County had 700,000 residents. I think things have changed some since then.

Yes, and people have long memories, esp when it cones to schools.

I'm sure there are some people who have already made their plans to complain about the still-undecided new Woodward boundaries for the next 36 years.

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+1 if they move Woodlin to BCC and KPES to Einstein (and then another feeder out of Einstein) that improves diversity on net, and minimizes distance. It will make a lot of people really angry though.

They don't care about making people angry. Look what they did when they closed Woodward the first time and moved Ritchie Park Elementary out of Wooton.

That was in nineteen-eighty-seven (1987). Thirty-six (36) years ago. Ronald Reagan was president. The Soviet Union still existed. The #1 song was Walk Like An Egyptian. Montgomery County had 700,000 residents. I think things have changed some since then.

Yes, and people have long memories, esp when it cones to schools.

I'm sure there are some people who have already made their plans to complain about the still-undecided new Woodward boundaries for the next 36 years.

People will still be complaining that the Town of Kensington goes to WJ in 36 years. 😀

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Anonymous wrote:The only way to potentially reduce segregation or at least keep it flat is to move KP to Einstein. Also move two ESs out of Einstein to either Woodward, WJ or BCC. Probably Woodlin and maybe OTES or Highland. Some other shuffling would also need to happen. I have my doubts that MCPS will be willing to do this, but if they are prioritizing equity this would be one approach.

If KP moves into Einstein I can’t see them moving OTES out, that’s just trading one part of Kensington for another.

+1. Flora Singer and Woodlin are easier to rezone since their students are all bus riders already.

I’m in Flora Singer zone so this is potentially against my self interest but I think they should move Flora Singer to Northwood and KP to Einstein. Geographically and demographically makes sense.

If they move KP out of WJ and over to Einstein, that leaves more seats to fill at WJ.

They can move a BCC feeder to WJ.

Which one? It can’t be RHES/CCES/NCCES. BES is in the walk zone. RCF, Somerset and Westbrook make zero geographic sense.

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Anonymous wrote:The only way to potentially reduce segregation or at least keep it flat is to move KP to Einstein. Also move two ESs out of Einstein to either Woodward, WJ or BCC. Probably Woodlin and maybe OTES or Highland. Some other shuffling would also need to happen. I have my doubts that MCPS will be willing to do this, but if they are prioritizing equity this would be one approach.

If KP moves into Einstein I can’t see them moving OTES out, that’s just trading one part of Kensington for another.

+1. Flora Singer and Woodlin are easier to rezone since their students are all bus riders already.

I’m in Flora Singer zone so this is potentially against my self interest but I think they should move Flora Singer to Northwood and KP to Einstein. Geographically and demographically makes sense.

If they move KP out of WJ and over to Einstein, that leaves more seats to fill at WJ.

They can move a BCC feeder to WJ.

Which one? It can’t be RHES/CCES/NCCES. BES is in the walk zone. RCF, Somerset and Westbrook make zero geographic sense.

Maybe Westbrook could move to Whitman, and at least the northern parts of Bradley Hills and Burning Tree could move to WJ?

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Anonymous wrote:The only way to potentially reduce segregation or at least keep it flat is to move KP to Einstein. Also move two ESs out of Einstein to either Woodward, WJ or BCC. Probably Woodlin and maybe OTES or Highland. Some other shuffling would also need to happen. I have my doubts that MCPS will be willing to do this, but if they are prioritizing equity this would be one approach.

If KP moves into Einstein I can’t see them moving OTES out, that’s just trading one part of Kensington for another.

+1. Flora Singer and Woodlin are easier to rezone since their students are all bus riders already.

I’m in Flora Singer zone so this is potentially against my self interest but I think they should move Flora Singer to Northwood and KP to Einstein. Geographically and demographically makes sense.

If they move KP out of WJ and over to Einstein, that leaves more seats to fill at WJ.

They can move a BCC feeder to WJ.

Which one? It can’t be RHES/CCES/NCCES. BES is in the walk zone. RCF, Somerset and Westbrook make zero geographic sense.

Maybe Westbrook could move to Whitman, and at least the northern parts of Bradley Hills and Burning Tree could move to WJ?

But then that’s adding two new split articulations, when they specifically said they plan to avoid those. I think they’ll move whole elementary schools only.

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Anonymous wrote:The only way to potentially reduce segregation or at least keep it flat is to move KP to Einstein. Also move two ESs out of Einstein to either Woodward, WJ or BCC. Probably Woodlin and maybe OTES or Highland. Some other shuffling would also need to happen. I have my doubts that MCPS will be willing to do this, but if they are prioritizing equity this would be one approach.

If KP moves into Einstein I can’t see them moving OTES out, that’s just trading one part of Kensington for another.

+1. Flora Singer and Woodlin are easier to rezone since their students are all bus riders already.

I’m in Flora Singer zone so this is potentially against my self interest but I think they should move Flora Singer to Northwood and KP to Einstein. Geographically and demographically makes sense.

If they move KP out of WJ and over to Einstein, that leaves more seats to fill at WJ.

They can move a BCC feeder to WJ.

Which one? It can’t be RHES/CCES/NCCES. BES is in the walk zone. RCF, Somerset and Westbrook make zero geographic sense.

Maybe Westbrook could move to Whitman, and at least the northern parts of Bradley Hills and Burning Tree could move to WJ?

But then that’s adding two new split articulations, when they specifically said they plan to avoid those. I think they’ll move whole elementary schools only.

I doubt that will be possible. Geography, capacity, and demographics are factors in boundary studies. Avoiding split articulations is not a factor. Will MCPS leave schools substantially over/under capacity, or assign students to schools that are very far away, or maintain large disparities between adjacent schools, just to avoid split articulations? I don't think they will do that, and I also don't think they should do that.