Woodward HS boundary study - BCC, Blair, Einstein, WJ, Kennedy, Northwood, Wheaton, Whitman impacts

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Anonymous wrote:The only way to potentially reduce segregation or at least keep it flat is to move KP to Einstein. Also move two ESs out of Einstein to either Woodward, WJ or BCC. Probably Woodlin and maybe OTES or Highland. Some other shuffling would also need to happen. I have my doubts that MCPS will be willing to do this, but if they are prioritizing equity this would be one approach.

If KP moves into Einstein I can’t see them moving OTES out, that’s just trading one part of Kensington for another.

+1. Flora Singer and Woodlin are easier to rezone since their students are all bus riders already.

What do you base this on?

That actually makes sense. No one from Singer or Woodlin is a walker to Einstein. Sligo Middle school would have to go to Woodward too.

Honestly, I think if they don't rezone any ESs with walkers to the currently assigned HS, this boundary study is really going to shortchange the DCC. It's absurd to send Flora Singer to Woodward. I think it's more likely they'd shift OTES or Highland to Wheaton and then send a couple of Wheaton feeders to Woodward.

A small proportion of OTES kids are walkable to Einstein, however much that matters. Highland or Singer to Wheaton makes more sense than OTES - because you're right, Singer to Woodward makes zero sense. So does Woodlin to Woodward - it's already the lowest FARMS elementary zoned for Einstein.

There's clearly no one "right" way to make these changes. Some people are going to be upset no matter what. We're an OTES/NMMS family and I wouldn't be thrilled if we're rezoned to Woodward. Not up to me.

We aren't walkable. We drive our kids or carpool. Crossing University, Conn. or Viers Mill isn't particularly safe, especially during rush hour and several kids have been hit by cars.

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Anonymous wrote:The only way to potentially reduce segregation or at least keep it flat is to move KP to Einstein. Also move two ESs out of Einstein to either Woodward, WJ or BCC. Probably Woodlin and maybe OTES or Highland. Some other shuffling would also need to happen. I have my doubts that MCPS will be willing to do this, but if they are prioritizing equity this would be one approach.

If KP moves into Einstein I can’t see them moving OTES out, that’s just trading one part of Kensington for another.

+1. Flora Singer and Woodlin are easier to rezone since their students are all bus riders already.

What do you base this on?

That actually makes sense. No one from Singer or Woodlin is a walker to Einstein. Sligo Middle school would have to go to Woodward too.

Honestly, I think if they don't rezone any ESs with walkers to the currently assigned HS, this boundary study is really going to shortchange the DCC. It's absurd to send Flora Singer to Woodward. I think it's more likely they'd shift OTES or Highland to Wheaton and then send a couple of Wheaton feeders to Woodward.

A small proportion of OTES kids are walkable to Einstein, however much that matters. Highland or Singer to Wheaton makes more sense than OTES - because you're right, Singer to Woodward makes zero sense. So does Woodlin to Woodward - it's already the lowest FARMS elementary zoned for Einstein.

There's clearly no one "right" way to make these changes. Some people are going to be upset no matter what. We're an OTES/NMMS family and I wouldn't be thrilled if we're rezoned to Woodward. Not up to me.

Rezoning to Woodward isn't the only option. They could move Woodlin to BCC, and move a BCC feeder to freed-up space at WJ. They could move Singer to Northwood. There are going to be many possible maps drawn up and none of them are going to be unanimously popular.

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Anonymous wrote:The only way to potentially reduce segregation or at least keep it flat is to move KP to Einstein. Also move two ESs out of Einstein to either Woodward, WJ or BCC. Probably Woodlin and maybe OTES or Highland. Some other shuffling would also need to happen. I have my doubts that MCPS will be willing to do this, but if they are prioritizing equity this would be one approach.

If KP moves into Einstein I can’t see them moving OTES out, that’s just trading one part of Kensington for another.

+1. Flora Singer and Woodlin are easier to rezone since their students are all bus riders already.

What do you base this on?

That actually makes sense. No one from Singer or Woodlin is a walker to Einstein. Sligo Middle school would have to go to Woodward too.

Honestly, I think if they don't rezone any ESs with walkers to the currently assigned HS, this boundary study is really going to shortchange the DCC. It's absurd to send Flora Singer to Woodward. I think it's more likely they'd shift OTES or Highland to Wheaton and then send a couple of Wheaton feeders to Woodward.

A small proportion of OTES kids are walkable to Einstein, however much that matters. Highland or Singer to Wheaton makes more sense than OTES - because you're right, Singer to Woodward makes zero sense. So does Woodlin to Woodward - it's already the lowest FARMS elementary zoned for Einstein.

There's clearly no one "right" way to make these changes. Some people are going to be upset no matter what. We're an OTES/NMMS family and I wouldn't be thrilled if we're rezoned to Woodward. Not up to me.

We aren't walkable. We drive our kids or carpool. Crossing University, Conn. or Viers Mill isn't particularly safe, especially during rush hour and several kids have been hit by cars.

DP. You are walkable. What you aren't, unfortunately, is safe to walk.

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Anonymous wrote:The only way to potentially reduce segregation or at least keep it flat is to move KP to Einstein. Also move two ESs out of Einstein to either Woodward, WJ or BCC. Probably Woodlin and maybe OTES or Highland. Some other shuffling would also need to happen. I have my doubts that MCPS will be willing to do this, but if they are prioritizing equity this would be one approach.

If KP moves into Einstein I can’t see them moving OTES out, that’s just trading one part of Kensington for another.

+1. Flora Singer and Woodlin are easier to rezone since their students are all bus riders already.

What do you base this on?

That actually makes sense. No one from Singer or Woodlin is a walker to Einstein. Sligo Middle school would have to go to Woodward too.

Not necessarily. Especially because the eastern parts of Singer/Sligo are walkable to Northwood.

The more this thread goes on, the more challenging this boundary study sounds. Maybe this is why WJ principal is retiring?!?

Maybe but don't care. What I do care about is improving diversity across all schools. That should be the number 1 priority since it's what our board agreed upon.

🙄 Will some schools become more diverse (namely WJ), and will Woodward be a relatively diverse school, yes. Are kids going to get bussed from the DCC to Whitman, no.

Would you rather they drove?

DP. They will only move kids to/from adjacent schools. Whitman is adjacent to BCC and WJ (and Churchill which is out of scope).

Yes, any changes at Whitman will be marginal and it is hard to see how that would meaningfully affect the level if diversity at the school, unfortunately.

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Anonymous wrote:The only way to potentially reduce segregation or at least keep it flat is to move KP to Einstein. Also move two ESs out of Einstein to either Woodward, WJ or BCC. Probably Woodlin and maybe OTES or Highland. Some other shuffling would also need to happen. I have my doubts that MCPS will be willing to do this, but if they are prioritizing equity this would be one approach.

If KP moves into Einstein I can’t see them moving OTES out, that’s just trading one part of Kensington for another.

+1. Flora Singer and Woodlin are easier to rezone since their students are all bus riders already.

What do you base this on?

That actually makes sense. No one from Singer or Woodlin is a walker to Einstein. Sligo Middle school would have to go to Woodward too.

Not necessarily. Especially because the eastern parts of Singer/Sligo are walkable to Northwood.

The more this thread goes on, the more challenging this boundary study sounds. Maybe this is why WJ principal is retiring?!?

Maybe but don't care. What I do care about is improving diversity across all schools. That should be the number 1 priority since it's what our board agreed upon.

🙄 Will some schools become more diverse (namely WJ), and will Woodward be a relatively diverse school, yes. Are kids going to get bussed from the DCC to Whitman, no.

Would you rather they drove?

DP. They will only move kids to/from adjacent schools. Whitman is adjacent to BCC and WJ (and Churchill which is out of scope).

Yes, any changes at Whitman will be marginal and it is hard to see how that would meaningfully affect the level if diversity at the school, unfortunately.

Unless they split some of Ashburton or NB off to Whitman. There are some apartments near Montgomery Mall that would imncrease diversity at Whitman and WJ/Woodward could pull more from the east.

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Anonymous wrote:The only way to potentially reduce segregation or at least keep it flat is to move KP to Einstein. Also move two ESs out of Einstein to either Woodward, WJ or BCC. Probably Woodlin and maybe OTES or Highland. Some other shuffling would also need to happen. I have my doubts that MCPS will be willing to do this, but if they are prioritizing equity this would be one approach.

If KP moves into Einstein I can’t see them moving OTES out, that’s just trading one part of Kensington for another.

+1. Flora Singer and Woodlin are easier to rezone since their students are all bus riders already.

What do you base this on?

That actually makes sense. No one from Singer or Woodlin is a walker to Einstein. Sligo Middle school would have to go to Woodward too.

Not necessarily. Especially because the eastern parts of Singer/Sligo are walkable to Northwood.

The more this thread goes on, the more challenging this boundary study sounds. Maybe this is why WJ principal is retiring?!?

Maybe but don't care. What I do care about is improving diversity across all schools. That should be the number 1 priority since it's what our board agreed upon.

🙄 Will some schools become more diverse (namely WJ), and will Woodward be a relatively diverse school, yes. Are kids going to get bussed from the DCC to Whitman, no.

Would you rather they drove?

DP. They will only move kids to/from adjacent schools. Whitman is adjacent to BCC and WJ (and Churchill which is out of scope).

Yes, any changes at Whitman will be marginal and it is hard to see how that would meaningfully affect the level if diversity at the school, unfortunately.

Unless they split some of Ashburton or NB off to Whitman. There are some apartments near Montgomery Mall that would imncrease diversity at Whitman and WJ/Woodward could pull more from the east.

They are in the walk zone for WJ.

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+1 if they move Woodlin to BCC and KPES to Einstein (and then another feeder out of Einstein) that improves diversity on net, and minimizes distance. It will make a lot of people really angry though.

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+1 if they move Woodlin to BCC and KPES to Einstein (and then another feeder out of Einstein) that improves diversity on net, and minimizes distance. It will make a lot of people really angry though.

It won't minimize distance unless the KPES island next to Woodward goes to Woodward.

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+1 if they move Woodlin to BCC and KPES to Einstein (and then another feeder out of Einstein) that improves diversity on net, and minimizes distance. It will make a lot of people really angry though.

It won't minimize distance unless the KPES island next to Woodward goes to Woodward.

They can split-articulate KPES any number of ways to achieve that.

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+1 if they move Woodlin to BCC and KPES to Einstein (and then another feeder out of Einstein) that improves diversity on net, and minimizes distance. It will make a lot of people really angry though.

It won't minimize distance unless the KPES island next to Woodward goes to Woodward.

They can split-articulate KPES any number of ways to achieve that.

Yes, but the point is that there would be a split articulation. Considering the options, I think it's highly likely that there will be multiple new split articulations. It seems basically unavoidable, given the geographical, capacity, and demographic factors. And honestly, I don't think it would be the worst possible outcome.

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+1 if they move Woodlin to BCC and KPES to Einstein (and then another feeder out of Einstein) that improves diversity on net, and minimizes distance. It will make a lot of people really angry though.

It won't minimize distance unless the KPES island next to Woodward goes to Woodward.

They can split-articulate KPES any number of ways to achieve that.

Yes, but the point is that there would be a split articulation. Considering the options, I think it's highly likely that there will be multiple new split articulations. It seems basically unavoidable, given the geographical, capacity, and demographic factors. And honestly, I don't think it would be the worst possible outcome.

I agree, it's the only way this will work. I went to school in a countywide district where split articulations were the norm, and it was fine.

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Anonymous wrote:The only way to potentially reduce segregation or at least keep it flat is to move KP to Einstein. Also move two ESs out of Einstein to either Woodward, WJ or BCC. Probably Woodlin and maybe OTES or Highland. Some other shuffling would also need to happen. I have my doubts that MCPS will be willing to do this, but if they are prioritizing equity this would be one approach.

If KP moves into Einstein I can’t see them moving OTES out, that’s just trading one part of Kensington for another.

+1. Flora Singer and Woodlin are easier to rezone since their students are all bus riders already.

I’m in Flora Singer zone so this is potentially against my self interest but I think they should move Flora Singer to Northwood and KP to Einstein. Geographically and demographically makes sense.

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Anonymous wrote:The only way to potentially reduce segregation or at least keep it flat is to move KP to Einstein. Also move two ESs out of Einstein to either Woodward, WJ or BCC. Probably Woodlin and maybe OTES or Highland. Some other shuffling would also need to happen. I have my doubts that MCPS will be willing to do this, but if they are prioritizing equity this would be one approach.

If KP moves into Einstein I can’t see them moving OTES out, that’s just trading one part of Kensington for another.

+1. Flora Singer and Woodlin are easier to rezone since their students are all bus riders already.

I’m in Flora Singer zone so this is potentially against my self interest but I think they should move Flora Singer to Northwood and KP to Einstein. Geographically and demographically makes sense.

If they move KP out of WJ and over to Einstein, that leaves more seats to fill at WJ.

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Anonymous wrote:The only way to potentially reduce segregation or at least keep it flat is to move KP to Einstein. Also move two ESs out of Einstein to either Woodward, WJ or BCC. Probably Woodlin and maybe OTES or Highland. Some other shuffling would also need to happen. I have my doubts that MCPS will be willing to do this, but if they are prioritizing equity this would be one approach.

If KP moves into Einstein I can’t see them moving OTES out, that’s just trading one part of Kensington for another.

+1. Flora Singer and Woodlin are easier to rezone since their students are all bus riders already.

What do you base this on?

That actually makes sense. No one from Singer or Woodlin is a walker to Einstein. Sligo Middle school would have to go to Woodward too.

Honestly, I think if they don't rezone any ESs with walkers to the currently assigned HS, this boundary study is really going to shortchange the DCC. It's absurd to send Flora Singer to Woodward. I think it's more likely they'd shift OTES or Highland to Wheaton and then send a couple of Wheaton feeders to Woodward.

A small proportion of OTES kids are walkable to Einstein, however much that matters. Highland or Singer to Wheaton makes more sense than OTES - because you're right, Singer to Woodward makes zero sense. So does Woodlin to Woodward - it's already the lowest FARMS elementary zoned for Einstein.

There's clearly no one "right" way to make these changes. Some people are going to be upset no matter what. We're an OTES/NMMS family and I wouldn't be thrilled if we're rezoned to Woodward. Not up to me.

We aren't walkable. We drive our kids or carpool. Crossing University, Conn. or Viers Mill isn't particularly safe, especially during rush hour and several kids have been hit by cars.

DP. You are walkable. What you aren't, unfortunately, is safe to walk.

I don't consider close to two miles walkable in freezing cold, snow, ice (though thankfully we haven't had much snow), with very few sidewalks and busy roads.

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Anonymous wrote:The only way to potentially reduce segregation or at least keep it flat is to move KP to Einstein. Also move two ESs out of Einstein to either Woodward, WJ or BCC. Probably Woodlin and maybe OTES or Highland. Some other shuffling would also need to happen. I have my doubts that MCPS will be willing to do this, but if they are prioritizing equity this would be one approach.

If KP moves into Einstein I can’t see them moving OTES out, that’s just trading one part of Kensington for another.

+1. Flora Singer and Woodlin are easier to rezone since their students are all bus riders already.

I’m in Flora Singer zone so this is potentially against my self interest but I think they should move Flora Singer to Northwood and KP to Einstein. Geographically and demographically makes sense.

If they move KP out of WJ and over to Einstein, that leaves more seats to fill at WJ.

They can move a BCC feeder to WJ.