Biden strikes out with King Manchin

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Long may he Reign

I think this gives Dems a chance to reset and reintroduce parts of BBB with less negative sentiment attached to it, and everyone getting to save face.

They already tried that. Right before Manchin said it was dead, with the sole objection of Bernie Sanders, the Senate Dems offered to give him the pen and said "you don't like parts of it, strike them out, you make BBB into something you would vote for."

Manchin's lazy answer to that was "no, it's dead."

Manchin is not operating on any principled stance whatsoever. He is not operating in good faith. His latest arbitrary reason was "the debt is over $30t." That one never came up before. He just keeps moving goalposts and making up new excuses. And sorry, all of that shows plainly that he is not the hero anyone wants to tout him as.

It was still called BBB and that name is now toxic. The individual pieces are popular. But few people are aware of what's actually in it (including me - and I am overly invested in politics). I think you could craft a new bill that leaves behind some stuff and is called something new, and bring Manchin in earlier, and - unicorns. I don't know. One dares to dream.

Manchin was already given that opportunity. Every Senate Democrat except for Sanders said "Here, YOU write the bill. YOU call it whatever you want, YOU put in the pieces you want."
Manchin said "No."

Look, what do I know - but I think they needed a hard reset. They needed it to get out that BBB is dead. Now they can make a new bill called something different, with lots of the same things in it, but it won't seem the same and hopefully won't have the same stank on it. But really what do I know. It just seems that way to me. Manchin gets to seem like he killed BBB, now they can recraft BBB and make it seems like not BBB.

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I think this gives Dems a chance to reset and reintroduce parts of BBB with less negative sentiment attached to it, and everyone getting to save face.

With inflation so high in an election year nothing is going to happen.

Thankfully this is true. Especially with Lujan out of commission.

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I think this gives Dems a chance to reset and reintroduce parts of BBB with less negative sentiment attached to it, and everyone getting to save face.

With inflation so high in an election year nothing is going to happen.

If...somehow...the bill we lied about did cost more than the $0 we said...and if somehow it DID raise in inflation - we might be willing to do something about that.

Uh huh. Hypocrites.

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King Manchin strikes again!! His new official proposal - One official 10-year program devoted SOLELY to Climate Change.

Manchin is proposing that his colleagues choose one 10-year program to focus on and devote the other half of revenues raised from tax reform and prescription drug reform to deficit reduction and fighting inflation.

He is suggesting limiting new spending to climate programs instead of an array of social spending initiatives that he says would likely get baked into the federal budget baseline for years to come.

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/596822-democrats-frustrated-with-latest-manchin-pitch-on-build-back-better

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting that he made a point to note the failure was not Biden, but either some staffers or some people in his administration (can't recall the quote exactly) that slipped some stuff in there that was absolutely unacceptable to him. He said they know what it is.

OOOOo I want this gossip. What interview, do you remember?

Biden and Manchin are long-time friends who have worked together for decades. Manchin did not want to throw Biden under the bus, but there was one WH staffer (none of the news sources have identified them yet) who apparently tried to browbeat Manchin into agreeing to BBB. Manchin's little reversal to the media was essentially saying that this staffer had better back off, apologize and change tactics or the bill is dead. That staffer had better do something to get Manchin back at the table or they are done...they may already be done, but their only hope is the apologize and try to coax Manchin back to the table.

DP. This sounds so petty. If Manchin has problems with a staffer, he should take it up with the White House instead of vaguebooking to the media. And whatever it is should have nothing to do with whether he supports this bill - if the bill is good, he should vote for it regardless of what some staffer said. If it isn’t, then he should own his opposition to the substance of the bill instead of trying to deflect any blame onto a WH staffer.

OMG We've finally got a further play-by-play of that pivotal week leading up to 'I can't do it' on Fox news!

Manchin met up with Biden directly on 12/14 and apparently he went in with the expectation that they were going to transition their talks to Voting Rights legislation. But Biden was still hung on BBB. It did not go well.

A decisive moment came on Dec. 14, when Manchin went to the White House to meet with Biden. According to two sources briefed on the meeting, Manchin had expected a productive conversation about pausing BBB and shifting focus to voting rights and the filibuster. Instead, Biden was upset. He criticized Manchin for what he felt was the senator’s duplicity during the BBB talks, accusing Manchin of backtracking on a pledge to support BBB he’d made weeks earlier during a visit to Biden’s house in Wilmington. (Manchin’s spokeswoman says this was “not a correct accounting of this meeting” but declined to say why. The White House wouldn’t comment on it.) Later that week Manchin appeared on Fox News and declared BBB dead. “I cannot vote to continue with this piece of legislation,” he said. “This is a no.”


https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/joe-manchin-biden-filibuster-voting-rights-1334582/

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President Biden last spring proposed spending more than $4 trillion to transform the American economy. In negotiations last fall, after some of that money ended up in a bipartisan infrastructure law, the administration lowered its request to roughly $2 trillion. Now, with time running out before November’s elections, many White House officials say privately that they’d consider themselves fortunate to secure a deal worth even $1 trillion.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2022/04/26/white-house-manchin-biden/

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This is my Watergate. I love every extra detail that comes out about this policy proposal. Its like a drama from the West Wing.

Since then, White House officials have struggled to repair the damage. White House Chief of Staff Ron Klain apologized to Manchin directly for any misunderstandings, and Manchin accepted the apology. White House officials have made clear that they are open to a significantly smaller bill that leaves out most of their initial priorities, recognizing a deal must be made on Manchin’s terms. In a shift from the fall, many Democratic lawmakers now privately recognize that their priorities will have to be jettisoned to secure Manchin’s vote. The White House has stopped providing public updates on the status of negotiations.

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They would've had a better deal last fall with Manchin when he supposedly agreed to a pretty large package (maybe it was around $1.3T, IIRC?). But that's evaporated now with inflation.

Dumb dumbs.

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Anonymous wrote:They would've had a better deal last fall with Manchin when he supposedly agreed to a pretty large package (maybe it was around $1.3T, IIRC?). But that's evaporated now with inflation.

Dumb dumbs.

Manchin isn’t going to do any deal. Never was.

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In hindsight, thank heavens for Manchin. If not for his decision to stand firm against the outrageous spending that BBB was, inflation would be in the double digits by now.

I’m a Democrat who was cursing Manchin’s name until a couple of weeks ago when I read up on what’s causing this rampant inflation. I’m not too proud to admit I believed pundits and manipulative talking points before now.

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Anonymous wrote:In hindsight, thank heavens for Manchin. If not for his decision to stand firm against the outrageous spending that BBB was, inflation would be in the double digits by now.

I’m a Democrat who was cursing Manchin’s name until a couple of weeks ago when I read up on what’s causing this rampant inflation. I’m not too proud to admit I believed pundits and manipulative talking points before now.

I never believed the pundits and the lies about that bill costing $0. I voted for Biden but he really messed up - we're not all stupid. We could see the inflation growing at record speed and the only one speaking up about it was Manchin.

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Anonymous wrote:Watching the democrats crash and burn even with a mandate is hilarious.

At least someone has the spine to say no mas to more wreckless spending.

A 50/50 Senate and a narrow majority in the House is not a mandate.

Of course that is exactly the nature of the problem. They want so badly to believe they have a mandate to do great big incomprehensibly expensive things, but what voters really wanted was Trump out and otherwise no big changes.

Yep.

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Manchin deserves a medal of honor and doesnt get enough praise in the press. Its pretty hard for a politician these days to go against your party but he saved the country from even more ruinous inflation.

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Anonymous wrote:They would've had a better deal last fall with Manchin when he supposedly agreed to a pretty large package (maybe it was around $1.3T, IIRC?). But that's evaporated now with inflation.

Dumb dumbs.

This has to go down as one of the biggest botched plays in politics. Dems could have gotten alot of their progressive policies passed if they weren't so do damn greedy with their non existent majorities. Im surprised there have no major repercussions for the people in charge (Klain, Schumer, et al)