25th amendment time: stop treating Trump's mental illness as a personality quirk

[Anonymous]

"Everyone knows that Trump is a narcissist – but we have to stop treating that like it’s an unfortunate personality tic and start treating it like what it is: a serious and dangerous mental illness." -From Bill Maher

[Anonymous]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dangerous_Case_of_Donald_Trump

27 mental health professionals assessed Trump, and their expert opinions were published in a book detailing how he is a clear and present danger.

And that was way back in 2017...before he went completely bananas.

We also have conservatives in the actual administration calling him mentally ill, an idiot, a moron, a liar, etc.

#TheMoreYouKnow,Moron

[Anonymous]

There’s narcissism, narcissistic personality disorder, and malignant narcissism. Helps to know the difference.

And, obviously, there is a huge range in the outcomes between different people.

However you classify Trump, he is appropriately described as “a danger to others.”

[Anonymous]

The 25th Amendment has been seriously discussed since Trump was inaugurated. There were even many Republicans expressing concerns in very public conversations throughout 2017. Of course Rosenstein has thought about the matter, who in Washington hasn’t?

Trump’s mental state was (and is) such a concern that it couldn’t wait for a hearing, instead it became a national security issue reigned in by the “adults in the room,” or the “deep state.”

However, that approach is becoming less effective, because literally we would not be surprised by any erratic, depraved, dangerous act Trump could commit. There is no check on his behavior.

The temper tantrums have been indulged without consequence, and Trump’s loyal base has been whipped into a lather of constant rage and defensiveness, to the point that even when they know Trump is wrong (nobody defends his tweeting, for example) they back him against their personal interests (the elderly against Medicare?, poor people demanding massive transfers through tax cuts to the rich).

Trump’s actions now are far more troubling than in 2017. His speeches are more incoherent, and his need to constantly make every discussion about the election suggests that he may not actually be able to understand or follow policy sufficiently to inform his base, or the public at large.

Senior level departures, investigations, a serious book in an investigative journalist style, and several tell-all books from different perspectives it seems that there is even more evidence and reason to have this conversation.

Of course the 25th amendment needs to be on the table — how could it not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dangerous_Case_of_Donald_Trump

27 mental health professionals assessed Trump, and their expert opinions were published in a book detailing how he is a clear and present danger.

And that was way back in 2017...before he went completely bananas.

We also have conservatives in the actual administration calling him mentally ill, an idiot, a moron, a liar, etc.

#TheMoreYouKnow,Moron

Due to decades of partisan propaganda, they have plausible deniability with a segment of the population (super conservatives and the not paying attention). The minute Trump pinches Ivanka’s butt on camera or streaks across the White House lawn behind a KellyAnne talking head, it will happen.

[Anonymous]

I firmly believe the GOP is simply waiting for the Democrats to retake the House and start impeachment proceedings. A Dem majority will "expose" the insanity and at that point the GOP will suddenly realize "OMG! He's nuts!"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I firmly believe the GOP is simply waiting for the Democrats to retake the House and start impeachment proceedings. A Dem majority will "expose" the insanity and at that point the GOP will suddenly realize "OMG! He's nuts!"

Plausible scenario.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I firmly believe the GOP is simply waiting for the Democrats to retake the House and start impeachment proceedings. A Dem majority will "expose" the insanity and at that point the GOP will suddenly realize "OMG! He's nuts!"

Which would be to everyone's benefit: Democrats will be able to claim proudly that they were instrumental in ousting the President, and Republicans will be able to breathe a sigh of relief while not alienating their lunatic pro-Trump fringe.
Win-win.
And it's quite likely to happen, too!
It's why Pelosi and top Democrats are very stealth when it comes to impeachment, they don't want to spook everyone out before they strike. Let the base bay for blood, they're biding their time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I firmly believe the GOP is simply waiting for the Democrats to retake the House and start impeachment proceedings. A Dem majority will "expose" the insanity and at that point the GOP will suddenly realize "OMG! He's nuts!"

Which would be to everyone's benefit: Democrats will be able to claim proudly that they were instrumental in ousting the President, and Republicans will be able to breathe a sigh of relief while not alienating their lunatic pro-Trump fringe.
Win-win.
And it's quite likely to happen, too!
It's why Pelosi and top Democrats are very stealth when it comes to impeachment, they don't want to spook everyone out before they strike. Let the base bay for blood, they're biding their time.

Everyone is waiting for the right moment.

[Anonymous]

How bad are things going to have to get? The problem is that the 25th Amendment puts it all in the hands of Pence (who's probably rooting for the chaos since that means the Rapture is just around the corner) and the Cabinet (which the President is conveniently decimating and filling with his toadies).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I firmly believe the GOP is simply waiting for the Democrats to retake the House and start impeachment proceedings. A Dem majority will "expose" the insanity and at that point the GOP will suddenly realize "OMG! He's nuts!"

Which would be to everyone's benefit: Democrats will be able to claim proudly that they were instrumental in ousting the President, and Republicans will be able to breathe a sigh of relief while not alienating their lunatic pro-Trump fringe.
Win-win.
And it's quite likely to happen, too!
It's why Pelosi and top Democrats are very stealth when it comes to impeachment, they don't want to spook everyone out before they strike. Let the base bay for blood, they're biding their time.

Everyone is waiting for the right moment.

I despise Trump and think he’s a dangerously incompetent. That said, he’d a relatively contained danger. Better to have him ride out until 2020 and then have him gracefully decide to not pursue a second term - “to run his businesses”; “he accomplished everything he wanted to” - than impeachment. Our country is bitterly tribal and this will only worsen with impeachment. And the cultish base and right wing nuts only become more vicious and nutty.

It would feel good (feel great) to impeach him; it would not be good for us longer term. I do worry about civil war, especially with all of the gun-toting nuts who are part of the GOP now

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I firmly believe the GOP is simply waiting for the Democrats to retake the House and start impeachment proceedings. A Dem majority will "expose" the insanity and at that point the GOP will suddenly realize "OMG! He's nuts!"

Which would be to everyone's benefit: Democrats will be able to claim proudly that they were instrumental in ousting the President, and Republicans will be able to breathe a sigh of relief while not alienating their lunatic pro-Trump fringe.
Win-win.
And it's quite likely to happen, too!
It's why Pelosi and top Democrats are very stealth when it comes to impeachment, they don't want to spook everyone out before they strike. Let the base bay for blood, they're biding their time.

Everyone is waiting for the right moment.

I despise Trump and think he’s a dangerously incompetent. That said, he’d a relatively contained danger. Better to have him ride out until 2020 and then have him gracefully decide to not pursue a second term - “to run his businesses”; “he accomplished everything he wanted to” - than impeachment. Our country is bitterly tribal and this will only worsen with impeachment. And the cultish base and right wing nuts only become more vicious and nutty.

It would feel good (feel great) to impeach him; it would not be good for us longer term. I do worry about civil war, especially with all of the gun-toting nuts who are part of the GOP now

The idea that it would be better to have a criminal mentally incompetent lunatic in a position of massive power for two more years because impeachment would not be “good for us longer term” strikes me as absurd. When do you think impeachment WOULD be necessary, pp?

[Anonymous]

The fat, addicted, government-supported dregs of this country loser class still supporting Trump are literally too lazy and fundamentally frightened to riot en masse if he’s impeached.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How bad are things going to have to get? The problem is that the 25th Amendment puts it all in the hands of Pence (who's probably rooting for the chaos since that means the Rapture is just around the corner) and the Cabinet (which the President is conveniently decimating and filling with his toadies).

Impeachment has a lower bar than 25th Amendment. It only requires a majority in the House and 2/3's in the Senate. 25A requires 2/3's in both houses, plus the VP, plus the cabinet.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I firmly believe the GOP is simply waiting for the Democrats to retake the House and start impeachment proceedings. A Dem majority will "expose" the insanity and at that point the GOP will suddenly realize "OMG! He's nuts!"

Which would be to everyone's benefit: Democrats will be able to claim proudly that they were instrumental in ousting the President, and Republicans will be able to breathe a sigh of relief while not alienating their lunatic pro-Trump fringe.
Win-win.
And it's quite likely to happen, too!
It's why Pelosi and top Democrats are very stealth when it comes to impeachment, they don't want to spook everyone out before they strike. Let the base bay for blood, they're biding their time.

I think you're nuts. But frankly, I'm OK with President Pence. Are you?