Fairfax County Double Murder

[Anonymous]

Is there anywhere I can watch a recording of the sentencing?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I did feel empathy for Juliana in her statement, I cannot pretend that I didn’t. But then when I heard the judge speak and deliver the sentence, I could not argue with that either. I believe the sentencing was just.

I also thought it was unsettling how Juliana appeared to turn to stone when the judge was speaking and did not have any visible emotional reaction to the sentence. It made me wonder, maybe she is a legit psychopath after all, not just a young and stupid and selfish person who made a massive mistake and then felt like she needed to double down to preserve herself in the aftermath.

Excellent observations and summary. I kind of experienced the same thing but wouldn’t have been able to put it in words nearly as well as you have.

I also noticed that when they showed her during Joe's aunt's statement (I missed the mother's statement), she was nodding her head and looking tearful. Then of course she was crying as she read her own statement. And when the judge spoke, and she had turned stony and emotionless, the only thing I saw her do was shake her head slightly when the judge pointed out that Juliana told the child to call her "mommy". As if she disagreed, or was angry at that part? I don't know what that means from a psychological standpoint but I do feel like she was giving the court what the court wanted to hear, and then once that didn't work, she seemed to want to argue with the court about that portion, at least. It also makes me wonder if her testimony was even truthful (I AM NOT SAYING SHE AND BB DIDN'T DO IT, I AM FULLY CONVINCED THEY DID). But she seemed so good at turning on and off her emotions at this hearing, and seemed so remorseful during her statement followed by being stone cold sober immediately afterwords, I just thought, wow, this woman can act however she thinks people want her to act, can't she. She can just turn it on and off. It colored her testimony a little in my eyes- made me wonder if she had a much greater role than she admitted to or even if the entire thing were her idea to start with.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is there anywhere I can watch a recording of the sentencing?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaQLLvpfHVQ

[Anonymous]

4:20 is where the Judge really gets into it

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I did feel empathy for Juliana in her statement, I cannot pretend that I didn’t. But then when I heard the judge speak and deliver the sentence, I could not argue with that either. I believe the sentencing was just.

I also thought it was unsettling how Juliana appeared to turn to stone when the judge was speaking and did not have any visible emotional reaction to the sentence. It made me wonder, maybe she is a legit psychopath after all, not just a young and stupid and selfish person who made a massive mistake and then felt like she needed to double down to preserve herself in the aftermath.

Excellent observations and summary. I kind of experienced the same thing but wouldn’t have been able to put it in words nearly as well as you have.

I also noticed that when they showed her during Joe's aunt's statement (I missed the mother's statement), she was nodding her head and looking tearful. Then of course she was crying as she read her own statement. And when the judge spoke, and she had turned stony and emotionless, the only thing I saw her do was shake her head slightly when the judge pointed out that Juliana told the child to call her "mommy". As if she disagreed, or was angry at that part? I don't know what that means from a psychological standpoint but I do feel like she was giving the court what the court wanted to hear, and then once that didn't work, she seemed to want to argue with the court about that portion, at least. It also makes me wonder if her testimony was even truthful (I AM NOT SAYING SHE AND BB DIDN'T DO IT, I AM FULLY CONVINCED THEY DID). But she seemed so good at turning on and off her emotions at this hearing, and seemed so remorseful during her statement followed by being stone cold sober immediately afterwords, I just thought, wow, this woman can act however she thinks people want her to act, can't she. She can just turn it on and off. It colored her testimony a little in my eyes- made me wonder if she had a much greater role than she admitted to or even if the entire thing were her idea to start with.

I see your point, but I also think she knew she could very well be sentenced to 10 years. So it’s almost like “ok, it is what it is”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is there anywhere I can watch a recording of the sentencing?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaQLLvpfHVQ

Thank you!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I did feel empathy for Juliana in her statement, I cannot pretend that I didn’t. But then when I heard the judge speak and deliver the sentence, I could not argue with that either. I believe the sentencing was just.

I also thought it was unsettling how Juliana appeared to turn to stone when the judge was speaking and did not have any visible emotional reaction to the sentence. It made me wonder, maybe she is a legit psychopath after all, not just a young and stupid and selfish person who made a massive mistake and then felt like she needed to double down to preserve herself in the aftermath.

Excellent observations and summary. I kind of experienced the same thing but wouldn’t have been able to put it in words nearly as well as you have.

I also noticed that when they showed her during Joe's aunt's statement (I missed the mother's statement), she was nodding her head and looking tearful. Then of course she was crying as she read her own statement. And when the judge spoke, and she had turned stony and emotionless, the only thing I saw her do was shake her head slightly when the judge pointed out that Juliana told the child to call her "mommy". As if she disagreed, or was angry at that part? I don't know what that means from a psychological standpoint but I do feel like she was giving the court what the court wanted to hear, and then once that didn't work, she seemed to want to argue with the court about that portion, at least. It also makes me wonder if her testimony was even truthful (I AM NOT SAYING SHE AND BB DIDN'T DO IT, I AM FULLY CONVINCED THEY DID). But she seemed so good at turning on and off her emotions at this hearing, and seemed so remorseful during her statement followed by being stone cold sober immediately afterwords, I just thought, wow, this woman can act however she thinks people want her to act, can't she. She can just turn it on and off. It colored her testimony a little in my eyes- made me wonder if she had a much greater role than she admitted to or even if the entire thing were her idea to start with.

I see your point, but I also think she knew she could very well be sentenced to 10 years. So it’s almost like “ok, it is what it is”

Also true- many people shut down when they know bad news is coming. Could be.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I did feel empathy for Juliana in her statement, I cannot pretend that I didn’t. But then when I heard the judge speak and deliver the sentence, I could not argue with that either. I believe the sentencing was just.

I also thought it was unsettling how Juliana appeared to turn to stone when the judge was speaking and did not have any visible emotional reaction to the sentence. It made me wonder, maybe she is a legit psychopath after all, not just a young and stupid and selfish person who made a massive mistake and then felt like she needed to double down to preserve herself in the aftermath.

Excellent observations and summary. I kind of experienced the same thing but wouldn’t have been able to put it in words nearly as well as you have.

I also noticed that when they showed her during Joe's aunt's statement (I missed the mother's statement), she was nodding her head and looking tearful. Then of course she was crying as she read her own statement. And when the judge spoke, and she had turned stony and emotionless, the only thing I saw her do was shake her head slightly when the judge pointed out that Juliana told the child to call her "mommy". As if she disagreed, or was angry at that part? I don't know what that means from a psychological standpoint but I do feel like she was giving the court what the court wanted to hear, and then once that didn't work, she seemed to want to argue with the court about that portion, at least. It also makes me wonder if her testimony was even truthful (I AM NOT SAYING SHE AND BB DIDN'T DO IT, I AM FULLY CONVINCED THEY DID). But she seemed so good at turning on and off her emotions at this hearing, and seemed so remorseful during her statement followed by being stone cold sober immediately afterwords, I just thought, wow, this woman can act however she thinks people want her to act, can't she. She can just turn it on and off. It colored her testimony a little in my eyes- made me wonder if she had a much greater role than she admitted to or even if the entire thing were her idea to start with.

I disagree with your characterization of Juliana while the judge was speaking. She was trying to stop crying/sniffling when Judge Azcarate first started speaking and then Juliana was nodding (slightly, but still nodding) as the Judge listed the things she’d done. I didn’t see her as stony and emotionless (not saying I feel sorry for her). I think she is finally starting to understand the weight of her actions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I did feel empathy for Juliana in her statement, I cannot pretend that I didn’t. But then when I heard the judge speak and deliver the sentence, I could not argue with that either. I believe the sentencing was just.

I also thought it was unsettling how Juliana appeared to turn to stone when the judge was speaking and did not have any visible emotional reaction to the sentence. It made me wonder, maybe she is a legit psychopath after all, not just a young and stupid and selfish person who made a massive mistake and then felt like she needed to double down to preserve herself in the aftermath.

Excellent observations and summary. I kind of experienced the same thing but wouldn’t have been able to put it in words nearly as well as you have.

I also noticed that when they showed her during Joe's aunt's statement (I missed the mother's statement), she was nodding her head and looking tearful. Then of course she was crying as she read her own statement. And when the judge spoke, and she had turned stony and emotionless, the only thing I saw her do was shake her head slightly when the judge pointed out that Juliana told the child to call her "mommy". As if she disagreed, or was angry at that part? I don't know what that means from a psychological standpoint but I do feel like she was giving the court what the court wanted to hear, and then once that didn't work, she seemed to want to argue with the court about that portion, at least. It also makes me wonder if her testimony was even truthful (I AM NOT SAYING SHE AND BB DIDN'T DO IT, I AM FULLY CONVINCED THEY DID). But she seemed so good at turning on and off her emotions at this hearing, and seemed so remorseful during her statement followed by being stone cold sober immediately afterwords, I just thought, wow, this woman can act however she thinks people want her to act, can't she. She can just turn it on and off. It colored her testimony a little in my eyes- made me wonder if she had a much greater role than she admitted to or even if the entire thing were her idea to start with.

I disagree with your characterization of Juliana while the judge was speaking. She was trying to stop crying/sniffling when Judge Azcarate first started speaking and then Juliana was nodding (slightly, but still nodding) as the Judge listed the things she’d done. I didn’t see her as stony and emotionless (not saying I feel sorry for her). I think she is finally starting to understand the weight of her actions.

I hope you are correct because that would mean she is capable of being rehabilitated and will hopefully go on to lead a lawful life.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Does this judge do Brendan’s sentencing too? He must be sh*tting his pants

it’s going to be uncomfortable for him. but as i understand it, his punishment is pretty well baked in.

It will be interesting to see him in a jumpsuit and interesting to hear his halting, tearful allocution. But i don’t see the judge could give him a lenient sentence even if she was inclined to do so.

i assume she will put a lot on the record for transparency.

big momma may not even make an appearance in this thing.

[Anonymous]

I watched the whole thing. I know that BB is a sociopath. But, JPM, imo, is not a sociopath. She feels great regret over the harm she has caused. You could see her shaking and holding back tears when JR's mother/aunt were talking about their pain of losing him. She does feel remorse. She has morals even though she lost them and followed BB through with this horrible crime.

I do believe she hates what she did and hates herself for doing it. I think being in jail has given her insight that she didn't have when she was 22 and obsessed with BB. I also think her reaction to the judge's comments was more along the lines of agreeing that she deserves 10 yrs for partaking in the murder of 2 people.

We already know BB is going to get life in prison, but I'm sure the judge will go after him for telling horrible lies about JR and CB on the stand. At least JPM came to tell most of the truth... she is redeemable. BB is truly a sociopath -- has no regard for others.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does this judge do Brendan’s sentencing too? He must be sh*tting his pants

it’s going to be uncomfortable for him. but as i understand it, his punishment is pretty well baked in.

It will be interesting to see him in a jumpsuit and interesting to hear his halting, tearful allocution. But i don’t see the judge could give him a lenient sentence even if she was inclined to do so.

i assume she will put a lot on the record for transparency.

big momma may not even make an appearance in this thing.

I am actually hoping he speaks. But since his sentence doesn't have a lot of wiggle room from what I understand, and since the judge eviscerated Juliana, I don't think he will speak, because speaking will not benefit him. And that's his motivation- himself.

[Anonymous]

There is no point to BB speaking at his sentencing. He knows what the sentence is already. He just has to sit there and take it. Then pay his lawyer to appeal. It won't go anywhere, but he isn't going to admit any guilt during the sentencing because he is still planning to fight the conviction on appeal.

[Anonymous]

Brendan was convicted of aggravated murder which has a mandatory minimum of life in prison without parole, good conduct credit, etc. Since he is over 18, he will not be eligible for parole.

Even being sentenced to the full ten years for the downgraded charge is an amazing deal for Juliana. I agree with Judge Azcarate that based on the facts of this case, time served would be way out of line.

[Anonymous]

I also just want to say kudos to Joe's Aunt for saying such sweet things about CB when her family couldn't speak for themselves