War with Iran

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:UK Prime Minister Keir Starmer announced that Foreign Secretary Yvette Cooper would host a virtual meeting of 35 countries to assess diplomatic and political measures to restore freedom of navigation through the Strait of Hormuz “after the fighting has stopped.” The US is not among the countries attending the meeting.

This. Europe is turning to China as the global leader. They will get the ships moving again, using the Yuan as the primary currency. Donald has handed the US to Russia on a silver platter.

EU is a clear loser in all of this. They are facing economic losses and their failure to act in any meaningful way, whether diplomatically or otherwise does not benefit them strategically or politically.

Iran is an overall loser in this.

US is a short term military winner, but at significant cost to American taxpayers and consumers, and a political loser.

Israel is a short term strategic winner, crippling its longtime enemy, but also at great cost internally.

Russia is an overall winner, economically and politically - they are benefitting from billions in extra oil revenue, and the world is distracted from its Ukraine war.

China is suffering short term economic losses but will be an overall strategic winner.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:everyone should remember...NONE of this would be happening if the JCPOA was simply left intact.

But no, Trump had to shred it, just like he shredded the TPP to benefit china, in this case benefiting Russia.

Trump makes EVERYTHING worse.

I mean, how does that make sense?

If the JCPOA is intact, how does that withstand Israel’s obsession with establishing itself as a superpower?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:everyone should remember...NONE of this would be happening if the JCPOA was simply left intact.

But no, Trump had to shred it, just like he shredded the TPP to benefit china, in this case benefiting Russia.

Trump makes EVERYTHING worse.

I mean, how does that make sense?

If the JCPOA is intact, how does that withstand Israel’s obsession with establishing itself as a superpower?

Israel was humbled by this misadventure and will try to find other ways to defang Irans regime. Netanyahu is too obsessed with Iran’s capabilities to let it go

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“regime change was not our objective” “but regime change has occurred”.

He really does live in an alternative reality.

Isn’t the former leaders SON in charge??

Right, and we killed his dad. Why would anyone believe he'd be more easier to deal with?

We killed his wife and child. We are such a great nation.

And he ordered the murders of thousands and thousands of his own citizens. You sure have a case of misplaced sympathy for these vile POS.
DP

Where’s our proof to support that claim?


We are well past the point of just accepting claims because our government says so, or because our Western media outlets say so.

So where is our proof to support the claim that “thousands and thousands” were ordered to be killed? Last night, Captain Bonespurs upped the ante and increased the claim to 45,000 killed just in January, apparently.

It’s getting really old having to point out that we didn’t have a shred of documentary evidence to support the claim, for example, that Assad ordered hundreds of thousands killed in Syria with chemical weapons (again, for emphasis, zero documentary evidence has ever been presented to substantiate our claims regarding the number dead or the cause of death), while we do mental gymnastics to find new ways to refute the documented death count in Gaza.

This is per the AP:

THE FACTS: A death toll that high has not been verified. (In fact, he rolled out that figure last night for the first time).
The U.S.-based group Human Rights Activists News Agency, which has been accurate in multiple rounds of demonstrations in Iran, said it confirmed the deaths of just over 7,000 people in the nationwide protests that reached their apex in January. However, it said thousands more may have been killed, though internet and communication restrictions in Iran since have made verifying the reports incredibly difficult. It put total arrests at more than 53,000.
Iran’s government, which long has played down death tolls in other unrest, offered its only toll on Jan. 21, saying 3,117 people were killed.
Trump previously said that at least 32,000 people were killed in January protests, which is at the far end of estimates offered by activists for the death toll. He offered no evidence to support those figures.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“regime change was not our objective” “but regime change has occurred”.

He really does live in an alternative reality.

Isn’t the former leaders SON in charge??

Right, and we killed his dad. Why would anyone believe he'd be more easier to deal with?

We killed his wife and child. We are such a great nation.

And he ordered the murders of thousands and thousands of his own citizens. You sure have a case of misplaced sympathy for these vile POS.
DP

Where’s our proof to support that claim?


We are well past the point of just accepting claims because our government says so, or because our Western media outlets say so.

So where is our proof to support the claim that “thousands and thousands” were ordered to be killed? Last night, Captain Bonespurs upped the ante and increased the claim to 45,000 killed just in January, apparently.

It’s getting really old having to point out that we didn’t have a shred of documentary evidence to support the claim, for example, that Assad ordered hundreds of thousands killed in Syria with chemical weapons (again, for emphasis, zero documentary evidence has ever been presented to substantiate our claims regarding the number dead or the cause of death), while we do mental gymnastics to find new ways to refute the documented death count in Gaza.

This is per the AP:

THE FACTS: A death toll that high has not been verified. (In fact, he rolled out that figure last night for the first time).
The U.S.-based group Human Rights Activists News Agency, which has been accurate in multiple rounds of demonstrations in Iran, said it confirmed the deaths of just over 7,000 people in the nationwide protests that reached their apex in January. However, it said thousands more may have been killed, though internet and communication restrictions in Iran since have made verifying the reports incredibly difficult. It put total arrests at more than 53,000.
Iran’s government, which long has played down death tolls in other unrest, offered its only toll on Jan. 21, saying 3,117 people were killed.
Trump previously said that at least 32,000 people were killed in January protests, which is at the far end of estimates offered by activists for the death toll. He offered no evidence to support those figures.

Ok, 7000.

Maybe.

How many people has Israel killed and raped? How many of each were children? How many has ICE detained? How many people has Trump killed via policy changes?

There are positively no good guys here. Impeach Trump so that we can get the world back on track.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:UK Prime Minister Keir Starmer announced that Foreign Secretary Yvette Cooper would host a virtual meeting of 35 countries to assess diplomatic and political measures to restore freedom of navigation through the Strait of Hormuz “after the fighting has stopped.” The US is not among the countries attending the meeting.

This. Europe is turning to China as the global leader. They will get the ships moving again, using the Yuan as the primary currency. Donald has handed the US to Russia on a silver platter.

EU is a clear loser in all of this. They are facing economic losses and their failure to act in any meaningful way, whether diplomatically or otherwise does not benefit them strategically or politically.

Iran is an overall loser in this.

US is a short term military winner, but at significant cost to American taxpayers and consumers, and a political loser.

Israel is a short term strategic winner, crippling its longtime enemy, but also at great cost internally.

Russia is an overall winner, economically and politically - they are benefitting from billions in extra oil revenue, and the world is distracted from its Ukraine war.

China is suffering short term economic losses but will be an overall strategic winner.

Lots of copium here. Iran is wining much more and Zionism is losing more than this post imagines. So many inside-the-beltway careers are going to end!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:everyone should remember...NONE of this would be happening if the JCPOA was simply left intact.

But no, Trump had to shred it, just like he shredded the TPP to benefit china, in this case benefiting Russia.

Trump makes EVERYTHING worse.

I mean, how does that make sense?

If the JCPOA is intact, how does that withstand Israel’s obsession with establishing itself as a superpower?

Israel was humbled by this misadventure and will try to find other ways to defang Irans regime. Netanyahu is too obsessed with Iran’s capabilities to let it go

Doesn't matter. Turkey is basically next door and they don't like that Israel has parked itself closer to them in southern Lebanon. Also, they've generationally pissed off 400 million Arabs and 100 million Iranians.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“regime change was not our objective” “but regime change has occurred”.

He really does live in an alternative reality.

Isn’t the former leaders SON in charge??

Right, and we killed his dad. Why would anyone believe he'd be more easier to deal with?

We killed his wife and child. We are such a great nation.

And he ordered the murders of thousands and thousands of his own citizens. You sure have a case of misplaced sympathy for these vile POS.
DP

Where’s our proof to support that claim?


We are well past the point of just accepting claims because our government says so, or because our Western media outlets say so.

So where is our proof to support the claim that “thousands and thousands” were ordered to be killed? Last night, Captain Bonespurs upped the ante and increased the claim to 45,000 killed just in January, apparently.

It’s getting really old having to point out that we didn’t have a shred of documentary evidence to support the claim, for example, that Assad ordered hundreds of thousands killed in Syria with chemical weapons (again, for emphasis, zero documentary evidence has ever been presented to substantiate our claims regarding the number dead or the cause of death), while we do mental gymnastics to find new ways to refute the documented death count in Gaza.

This is per the AP:

THE FACTS: A death toll that high has not been verified. (In fact, he rolled out that figure last night for the first time).
The U.S.-based group Human Rights Activists News Agency, which has been accurate in multiple rounds of demonstrations in Iran, said it confirmed the deaths of just over 7,000 people in the nationwide protests that reached their apex in January. However, it said thousands more may have been killed, though internet and communication restrictions in Iran since have made verifying the reports incredibly difficult. It put total arrests at more than 53,000.
Iran’s government, which long has played down death tolls in other unrest, offered its only toll on Jan. 21, saying 3,117 people were killed.
Trump previously said that at least 32,000 people were killed in January protests, which is at the far end of estimates offered by activists for the death toll. He offered no evidence to support those figures.

Also important to point out that several hundred police and security forces were killed by the “protesters”. More likely some of them were Mossad instigators.

[Anonymous]

what all of this has taught me is that I'm completely ignorant of Middle Eastern Politics, and that NO ONE, (especially someone like Trump) should be getting involved without the ability to take direction and instruction from that do understand it. And people that aren't malignant narcissists that are unable to do either of those things in deference to their own ego.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:UK Prime Minister Keir Starmer announced that Foreign Secretary Yvette Cooper would host a virtual meeting of 35 countries to assess diplomatic and political measures to restore freedom of navigation through the Strait of Hormuz “after the fighting has stopped.” The US is not among the countries attending the meeting.

This. Europe is turning to China as the global leader. They will get the ships moving again, using the Yuan as the primary currency. Donald has handed the US to Russia on a silver platter.

EU is a clear loser in all of this. They are facing economic losses and their failure to act in any meaningful way, whether diplomatically or otherwise does not benefit them strategically or politically.

Iran is an overall loser in this.

US is a short term military winner, but at significant cost to American taxpayers and consumers, and a political loser.

Israel is a short term strategic winner, crippling its longtime enemy, but also at great cost internally.

Russia is an overall winner, economically and politically - they are benefitting from billions in extra oil revenue, and the world is distracted from its Ukraine war.

China is suffering short term economic losses but will be an overall strategic winner.

You must work in the administration because you have no idea what you are talking out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:UK Prime Minister Keir Starmer announced that Foreign Secretary Yvette Cooper would host a virtual meeting of 35 countries to assess diplomatic and political measures to restore freedom of navigation through the Strait of Hormuz “after the fighting has stopped.” The US is not among the countries attending the meeting.

This. Europe is turning to China as the global leader. They will get the ships moving again, using the Yuan as the primary currency. Donald has handed the US to Russia on a silver platter.

EU is a clear loser in all of this. They are facing economic losses and their failure to act in any meaningful way, whether diplomatically or otherwise does not benefit them strategically or politically.

Iran is an overall loser in this.

US is a short term military winner, but at significant cost to American taxpayers and consumers, and a political loser.

Israel is a short term strategic winner, crippling its longtime enemy, but also at great cost internally.

Russia is an overall winner, economically and politically - they are benefitting from billions in extra oil revenue, and the world is distracted from its Ukraine war.

China is suffering short term economic losses but will be an overall strategic winner.

The big losers are the US, Lebanon, Iran, KSA, UAE, Kuwait and Japan.

The EU is tied to our anchor. Bahrain is tied to the Gulf States anchor.

Israel gains short term but long term has harmed itself bigly.

Russia, Turkey, Pakistan, and Oman are the big winners.

India and China benefit long term.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“regime change was not our objective” “but regime change has occurred”.

He really does live in an alternative reality.

Isn’t the former leaders SON in charge??

Right, and we killed his dad. Why would anyone believe he'd be more easier to deal with?

We killed his wife and child. We are such a great nation.

And he ordered the murders of thousands and thousands of his own citizens. You sure have a case of misplaced sympathy for these vile POS.
DP

Where’s our proof to support that claim?


We are well past the point of just accepting claims because our government says so, or because our Western media outlets say so.

So where is our proof to support the claim that “thousands and thousands” were ordered to be killed? Last night, Captain Bonespurs upped the ante and increased the claim to 45,000 killed just in January, apparently.

It’s getting really old having to point out that we didn’t have a shred of documentary evidence to support the claim, for example, that Assad ordered hundreds of thousands killed in Syria with chemical weapons (again, for emphasis, zero documentary evidence has ever been presented to substantiate our claims regarding the number dead or the cause of death), while we do mental gymnastics to find new ways to refute the documented death count in Gaza.

This is per the AP:

THE FACTS: A death toll that high has not been verified. (In fact, he rolled out that figure last night for the first time).
The U.S.-based group Human Rights Activists News Agency, which has been accurate in multiple rounds of demonstrations in Iran, said it confirmed the deaths of just over 7,000 people in the nationwide protests that reached their apex in January. However, it said thousands more may have been killed, though internet and communication restrictions in Iran since have made verifying the reports incredibly difficult. It put total arrests at more than 53,000.
Iran’s government, which long has played down death tolls in other unrest, offered its only toll on Jan. 21, saying 3,117 people were killed.
Trump previously said that at least 32,000 people were killed in January protests, which is at the far end of estimates offered by activists for the death toll. He offered no evidence to support those figures.

Ok, 7000.

Maybe.

How many people has Israel killed and raped? How many of each were children? How many has ICE detained? How many people has Trump killed via policy changes?

There are positively no good guys here. Impeach Trump so that we can get the world back on track.

Why isn’t Israel held to the same standards? Why are we not bombing Israel, assassinating their leadership, blowing up civilian infrastructure and enacting crippling sanctions? Why are Israeli bank funds not seized? We need regime change in Israel and to make sure they can never again threaten the region.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“regime change was not our objective” “but regime change has occurred”.

He really does live in an alternative reality.

Isn’t the former leaders SON in charge??

Right, and we killed his dad. Why would anyone believe he'd be more easier to deal with?

We killed his wife and child. We are such a great nation.

And he ordered the murders of thousands and thousands of his own citizens. You sure have a case of misplaced sympathy for these vile POS.
DP

Where’s our proof to support that claim?


We are well past the point of just accepting claims because our government says so, or because our Western media outlets say so.

So where is our proof to support the claim that “thousands and thousands” were ordered to be killed? Last night, Captain Bonespurs upped the ante and increased the claim to 45,000 killed just in January, apparently.

It’s getting really old having to point out that we didn’t have a shred of documentary evidence to support the claim, for example, that Assad ordered hundreds of thousands killed in Syria with chemical weapons (again, for emphasis, zero documentary evidence has ever been presented to substantiate our claims regarding the number dead or the cause of death), while we do mental gymnastics to find new ways to refute the documented death count in Gaza.

This is per the AP:

THE FACTS: A death toll that high has not been verified. (In fact, he rolled out that figure last night for the first time).
The U.S.-based group Human Rights Activists News Agency, which has been accurate in multiple rounds of demonstrations in Iran, said it confirmed the deaths of just over 7,000 people in the nationwide protests that reached their apex in January. However, it said thousands more may have been killed, though internet and communication restrictions in Iran since have made verifying the reports incredibly difficult. It put total arrests at more than 53,000.
Iran’s government, which long has played down death tolls in other unrest, offered its only toll on Jan. 21, saying 3,117 people were killed.
Trump previously said that at least 32,000 people were killed in January protests, which is at the far end of estimates offered by activists for the death toll. He offered no evidence to support those figures.

Ok, 7000.

Maybe.

How many people has Israel killed and raped? How many of each were children? How many has ICE detained? How many people has Trump killed via policy changes?

There are positively no good guys here. Impeach Trump so that we can get the world back on track.

Why isn’t Israel held to the same standards? Why are we not bombing Israel, assassinating their leadership, blowing up civilian infrastructure and enacting crippling sanctions? Why are Israeli bank funds not seized? We need regime change in Israel and to make sure they can never again threaten the region.

+1 Unfortunately, I think we all know the answer to that question.

[Anonymous]

Iran 'drafting protocol with Oman' to cover strait of Hormuz
Oil is dipping from its earlier highs, and stock markets are recovering losses, following a report that Iran and Oman are working on a ‘protocol’ to cover marine traffic in the strait of Hormuz.

Here’s Reuters’s newsflash:

IRANIAN FOREIGN MINISTRY OFFICIAL SAYS IRAN DRAFTING PROTOCOL WITH OMAN TO MONITOR TRAFFIC IN HORMUZ STRAIT - IRAN’S IRNA

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:UK Prime Minister Keir Starmer announced that Foreign Secretary Yvette Cooper would host a virtual meeting of 35 countries to assess diplomatic and political measures to restore freedom of navigation through the Strait of Hormuz “after the fighting has stopped.” The US is not among the countries attending the meeting.

This. Europe is turning to China as the global leader. They will get the ships moving again, using the Yuan as the primary currency. Donald has handed the US to Russia on a silver platter.

EU is a clear loser in all of this. They are facing economic losses and their failure to act in any meaningful way, whether diplomatically or otherwise does not benefit them strategically or politically.

Iran is an overall loser in this.

US is a short term military winner, but at significant cost to American taxpayers and consumers, and a political loser.

Israel is a short term strategic winner, crippling its longtime enemy, but also at great cost internally.

Russia is an overall winner, economically and politically - they are benefitting from billions in extra oil revenue, and the world is distracted from its Ukraine war.

China is suffering short term economic losses but will be an overall strategic winner.

The big losers are the US, Lebanon, Iran, KSA, UAE, Kuwait and Japan.

The EU is tied to our anchor. Bahrain is tied to the Gulf States anchor.

Israel gains short term but long term has harmed itself bigly.

Russia, Turkey, Pakistan, and Oman are the big winners.

India and China benefit long term.

Israel is the biggest loser in this. They can’t survive even a week of fighting their neighbors even with all the iron dome and protections they have. They won’t even allow the country to be or its citizens to leave. That’s how bad things are. They are also closer to regime
Change or civil war than Iran is. Their economy and infrastructure has been leveled and so has their democracy.

The second biggest loser are the Gulf States.

The third biggest loser is the US.