Republicans and the debt ceiling

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It takes two to tango. Democrats are going to have to accept significant compromises. Not sure why they act as if it is their way or the door. They don't hold Congress. Republicans do. Isn't that the whole point of a divided government?

Biden needs to invoke the 14th Amendment and shut down the anarchist GOP in the House. The GOP is misguided and doesn’t represent Americans.

+1 then if the GOP sues, it will be clear which party actively created the ensuing recession

You know if roles were reversed, the GOP would have already done it.

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In reality Biden and the moderate dems have negotiated against their own interests. They have made concessions and cuts when they did not have to do anything. This is a total and complete victory for the republicans.

I hear McCarthy has forced the Senate to require 75 votes for anything to pass. This is a soft coup. Too bad the dems tired their own hands.

It's in the country's interest not to borrow trillions of dollars a year. Dems should have done what GOP is doing now, when Trump was President. But they just want more and more government.

There is an annual budget process followed by multiple annual appropriations bills and periodic program authorization bills. Those are frequent opportunities to reassess and revise taxes and spending and needs and debt and anything else. Raising the debt ceiling is not a budget vote. It should not be controversial. It should be a unanimous vote with nothing else attached. Fight over appropriations in appropriations bills.

The Democrats passed the budget in the lame duck, when Republicans were not in position to negotiate. And of course when the appropriations bills come up(a process that hasn't been used in 15 years), you will be complaining that they are shutting down the government rather than making a deal.

Lame duck? Is there a special rule that means certain budgets don't count?

Congress passed a budget. Now it needs to honor that budget. When the GOP passed the Trump tax cut, we didn't play this crap.

These Republicans didn't pass that budget.

Legislators don’t get to just ignore laws passed by previous Congresses. A budget is a law.

Or do you just love anarchy?

Budgets are not enacted laws.

If you think that, you aren’t educated enough to have opinions.

It’s not an opinion, it’s a fact. Do some research.

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In reality Biden and the moderate dems have negotiated against their own interests. They have made concessions and cuts when they did not have to do anything. This is a total and complete victory for the republicans.

I hear McCarthy has forced the Senate to require 75 votes for anything to pass. This is a soft coup. Too bad the dems tired their own hands.

It's in the country's interest not to borrow trillions of dollars a year. Dems should have done what GOP is doing now, when Trump was President. But they just want more and more government.

There is an annual budget process followed by multiple annual appropriations bills and periodic program authorization bills. Those are frequent opportunities to reassess and revise taxes and spending and needs and debt and anything else. Raising the debt ceiling is not a budget vote. It should not be controversial. It should be a unanimous vote with nothing else attached. Fight over appropriations in appropriations bills.

The Democrats passed the budget in the lame duck, when Republicans were not in position to negotiate. And of course when the appropriations bills come up(a process that hasn't been used in 15 years), you will be complaining that they are shutting down the government rather than making a deal.

Lame duck? Is there a special rule that means certain budgets don't count?

Congress passed a budget. Now it needs to honor that budget. When the GOP passed the Trump tax cut, we didn't play this crap.

These Republicans didn't pass that budget.

Legislators don’t get to just ignore laws passed by previous Congresses. A budget is a law.

Or do you just love anarchy?

Budgets are not enacted laws.

If you think that, you aren’t educated enough to have opinions.

It’s not an opinion, it’s a fact. Do some research.

Budget Resolutions are not laws but that’s also not what’s being negotiated between Congress and the White House or what’s being discussed in this thread.

You are responding to posts about the Omnibus which was a law. Any agreed to discretionary caps will be law (see various Bipartisan Budget laws from the last time caps were enacted and never enforced), and any appropriations under those caps will be laws.

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In reality Biden and the moderate dems have negotiated against their own interests. They have made concessions and cuts when they did not have to do anything. This is a total and complete victory for the republicans.

I hear McCarthy has forced the Senate to require 75 votes for anything to pass. This is a soft coup. Too bad the dems tired their own hands.

It's in the country's interest not to borrow trillions of dollars a year. Dems should have done what GOP is doing now, when Trump was President. But they just want more and more government.

There is an annual budget process followed by multiple annual appropriations bills and periodic program authorization bills. Those are frequent opportunities to reassess and revise taxes and spending and needs and debt and anything else. Raising the debt ceiling is not a budget vote. It should not be controversial. It should be a unanimous vote with nothing else attached. Fight over appropriations in appropriations bills.

The Democrats passed the budget in the lame duck, when Republicans were not in position to negotiate. And of course when the appropriations bills come up(a process that hasn't been used in 15 years), you will be complaining that they are shutting down the government rather than making a deal.

Lame duck? Is there a special rule that means certain budgets don't count?

Congress passed a budget. Now it needs to honor that budget. When the GOP passed the Trump tax cut, we didn't play this crap.

These Republicans didn't pass that budget.

Legislators don’t get to just ignore laws passed by previous Congresses. A budget is a law.

Or do you just love anarchy?

Budgets are not enacted laws.

If you think that, you aren’t educated enough to have opinions.

It’s not an opinion, it’s a fact. Do some research.

Budget Resolutions are not laws but that’s also not what’s being negotiated between Congress and the White House or what’s being discussed in this thread.

You are responding to posts about the Omnibus which was a law. Any agreed to discretionary caps will be law (see various Bipartisan Budget laws from the last time caps were enacted and never enforced), and any appropriations under those caps will be laws.

Do yOuR ReSEarCh

[Anonymous]

Well I’m still waiting. What do you Republicans want to cut? Let us hear it and decide if we’re with you.

Anyone else law just exhausted by the constant unproductive whining?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It takes two to tango. Democrats are going to have to accept significant compromises. Not sure why they act as if it is their way or the door. They don't hold Congress. Republicans do. Isn't that the whole point of a divided government?

Why do they need to accept anything? They aren't the ones manufacturing this crisis.

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In reality Biden and the moderate dems have negotiated against their own interests. They have made concessions and cuts when they did not have to do anything. This is a total and complete victory for the republicans.

I hear McCarthy has forced the Senate to require 75 votes for anything to pass. This is a soft coup. Too bad the dems tired their own hands.

It's in the country's interest not to borrow trillions of dollars a year. Dems should have done what GOP is doing now, when Trump was President. But they just want more and more government.

There is an annual budget process followed by multiple annual appropriations bills and periodic program authorization bills. Those are frequent opportunities to reassess and revise taxes and spending and needs and debt and anything else. Raising the debt ceiling is not a budget vote. It should not be controversial. It should be a unanimous vote with nothing else attached. Fight over appropriations in appropriations bills.

The Democrats passed the budget in the lame duck, when Republicans were not in position to negotiate. And of course when the appropriations bills come up(a process that hasn't been used in 15 years), you will be complaining that they are shutting down the government rather than making a deal.

Lame duck? Is there a special rule that means certain budgets don't count?

Congress passed a budget. Now it needs to honor that budget. When the GOP passed the Trump tax cut, we didn't play this crap.

These Republicans didn't pass that budget.

Legislators don’t get to just ignore laws passed by previous Congresses. A budget is a law.

Or do you just love anarchy?

Budgets are not enacted laws.

If you think that, you aren’t educated enough to have opinions.

It’s not an opinion, it’s a fact. Do some research.

Budget Resolutions are not laws but that’s also not what’s being negotiated between Congress and the White House or what’s being discussed in this thread.

You are responding to posts about the Omnibus which was a law. Any agreed to discretionary caps will be law (see various Bipartisan Budget laws from the last time caps were enacted and never enforced), and any appropriations under those caps will be laws.

PP was responding to an incorrect assertion that budgets were enacted law. Budget resolutions and spending caps on appropriations are different animals.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
In reality Biden and the moderate dems have negotiated against their own interests. They have made concessions and cuts when they did not have to do anything. This is a total and complete victory for the republicans.

I hear McCarthy has forced the Senate to require 75 votes for anything to pass. This is a soft coup. Too bad the dems tired their own hands.

It's in the country's interest not to borrow trillions of dollars a year. Dems should have done what GOP is doing now, when Trump was President. But they just want more and more government.

There is an annual budget process followed by multiple annual appropriations bills and periodic program authorization bills. Those are frequent opportunities to reassess and revise taxes and spending and needs and debt and anything else. Raising the debt ceiling is not a budget vote. It should not be controversial. It should be a unanimous vote with nothing else attached. Fight over appropriations in appropriations bills.

The Democrats passed the budget in the lame duck, when Republicans were not in position to negotiate. And of course when the appropriations bills come up(a process that hasn't been used in 15 years), you will be complaining that they are shutting down the government rather than making a deal.

Lame duck? Is there a special rule that means certain budgets don't count?

Congress passed a budget. Now it needs to honor that budget. When the GOP passed the Trump tax cut, we didn't play this crap.

These Republicans didn't pass that budget.

Legislators don’t get to just ignore laws passed by previous Congresses. A budget is a law.

Or do you just love anarchy?

Budgets are not enacted laws.

If you think that, you aren’t educated enough to have opinions.

It’s not an opinion, it’s a fact. Do some research.

Budget Resolutions are not laws but that’s also not what’s being negotiated between Congress and the White House or what’s being discussed in this thread.

You are responding to posts about the Omnibus which was a law. Any agreed to discretionary caps will be law (see various Bipartisan Budget laws from the last time caps were enacted and never enforced), and any appropriations under those caps will be laws.

PP was responding to an incorrect assertion that budgets were enacted law. Budget resolutions and spending caps on appropriations are different animals.

No, the PP was responding to someone who was using the term budget to refer to the Omnibus. The Omnibus is enacted law.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Well I’m still waiting. What do you Republicans want to cut? Let us hear it and decide if we’re with you.

Anyone else law just exhausted by the constant unproductive whining?

One thing want to cut is firefighters. So smart of them!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
In reality Biden and the moderate dems have negotiated against their own interests. They have made concessions and cuts when they did not have to do anything. This is a total and complete victory for the republicans.

I hear McCarthy has forced the Senate to require 75 votes for anything to pass. This is a soft coup. Too bad the dems tired their own hands.

It's in the country's interest not to borrow trillions of dollars a year. Dems should have done what GOP is doing now, when Trump was President. But they just want more and more government.

There is an annual budget process followed by multiple annual appropriations bills and periodic program authorization bills. Those are frequent opportunities to reassess and revise taxes and spending and needs and debt and anything else. Raising the debt ceiling is not a budget vote. It should not be controversial. It should be a unanimous vote with nothing else attached. Fight over appropriations in appropriations bills.

The Democrats passed the budget in the lame duck, when Republicans were not in position to negotiate. And of course when the appropriations bills come up(a process that hasn't been used in 15 years), you will be complaining that they are shutting down the government rather than making a deal.

Lame duck? Is there a special rule that means certain budgets don't count?

Congress passed a budget. Now it needs to honor that budget. When the GOP passed the Trump tax cut, we didn't play this crap.

These Republicans didn't pass that budget.

Legislators don’t get to just ignore laws passed by previous Congresses. A budget is a law.

Or do you just love anarchy?

Budgets are not enacted laws.

If you think that, you aren’t educated enough to have opinions.

It’s not an opinion, it’s a fact. Do some research.

Budget Resolutions are not laws but that’s also not what’s being negotiated between Congress and the White House or what’s being discussed in this thread.

You are responding to posts about the Omnibus which was a law. Any agreed to discretionary caps will be law (see various Bipartisan Budget laws from the last time caps were enacted and never enforced), and any appropriations under those caps will be laws.

PP was responding to an incorrect assertion that budgets were enacted law. Budget resolutions and spending caps on appropriations are different animals.

No, the PP was responding to someone who was using the term budget to refer to the Omnibus. The Omnibus is enacted law.

JFC. Give it a rest.

[Anonymous]

Nothing to see here... Republicans are the problem!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Nothing to see here... Republicans are the problem!

What do you propose to cut?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It takes two to tango. Democrats are going to have to accept significant compromises. Not sure why they act as if it is their way or the door. They don't hold Congress. Republicans do. Isn't that the whole point of a divided government?

Why do they need to accept anything? They aren't the ones manufacturing this crisis.

May I ask why you think the Republicans are manufacturing the crisis when it's just as much the Democrats manufacturing the crisis by refusing the cut spending? Remember, it takes two to tango. Politics does not mean Democrats do whatever they want and the Republicans shut up and keep quiet. At least, in theory.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It takes two to tango. Democrats are going to have to accept significant compromises. Not sure why they act as if it is their way or the door. They don't hold Congress. Republicans do. Isn't that the whole point of a divided government?

Why do they need to accept anything? They aren't the ones manufacturing this crisis.

May I ask why you think the Republicans are manufacturing the crisis when it's just as much the Democrats manufacturing the crisis by refusing the cut spending? Remember, it takes two to tango. Politics does not mean Democrats do whatever they want and the Republicans shut up and keep quiet. At least, in theory.

What do republicans want to cut?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It takes two to tango. Democrats are going to have to accept significant compromises. Not sure why they act as if it is their way or the door. They don't hold Congress. Republicans do. Isn't that the whole point of a divided government?

Why do they need to accept anything? They aren't the ones manufacturing this crisis.

May I ask why you think the Republicans are manufacturing the crisis when it's just as much the Democrats manufacturing the crisis by refusing the cut spending? Remember, it takes two to tango. Politics does not mean Democrats do whatever they want and the Republicans shut up and keep quiet. At least, in theory.

The Republicans are manufacturing a crisis by linking the debt ceiling (ie paying bills already incurred) with future spending. These are separate issues and paying our debt shouldn’t be up for debate.