Republicans and the debt ceiling

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Kevin should be impeach, he should resign. This isn't a win for us.

if by "us" you mean regular American people, it is a huge win.

Theory that the polls were so bad for Congressional Republicans that they were forced to back away slowly from imploding the global economy.

[Anonymous]

Bill has passed the Senate. Never underestimate how little that the Senate wants to work on Fridays.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Bill has passed the Senate. Never underestimate how little that the Senate wants to work on Fridays.

Schumer and the Democrats ran a tight ship and kept the Republicans on a very tight leash. Only gave 10 minutes each for their stupid screeds and for votes on their inane amendments that had no chance of passing.

That is effective leadership. And a far cry better than McConnell or any of the Republicans.

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

Ouch.

Double ouch:
Kevin McCarthy once suggested the president needs "soft food.” Now he's the one serving a "sh!t sandwich" to his caucus.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/joe-biden-debt-limit-kevin-mccarthy_n_64774f6ce4b045ce2485f035

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Bill has passed the Senate. Never underestimate how little that the Senate wants to work on Fridays.

Nobody would put their name on this if they didn't think it was in their interest.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Kevin should be impeach, he should resign. This isn't a win for us.

if by "us" you mean regular American people, it is a huge win.

Theory that the polls were so bad for Congressional Republicans that they were forced to back away slowly from imploding the global economy.

True, but also they brought back earmarks in 2020. So now the leadership has an important tool to motivate house members.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ouch.

Double ouch:
Kevin McCarthy once suggested the president needs "soft food.” Now he's the one serving a "sh!t sandwich" to his caucus.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/joe-biden-debt-limit-kevin-mccarthy_n_64774f6ce4b045ce2485f035

So tax payers get to keep $40B of their income? I call that a win.

Plus 12 separate appropriaions bills (essentially one per month) by cabinet, instead of one massive omnibus bill every year

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ouch.

Double ouch:
Kevin McCarthy once suggested the president needs "soft food.” Now he's the one serving a "sh!t sandwich" to his caucus.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/joe-biden-debt-limit-kevin-mccarthy_n_64774f6ce4b045ce2485f035

So tax payers get to keep $40B of their income? I call that a win.

Plus 12 separate appropriaions bills (essentially one per month) by cabinet, instead of one massive omnibus bill every year

Oh come on, this isn't a win for the little guy. The overwhelming majority of taxpayers taxes are extremely straightforward, most Americans use Turbotax or other simple methods for filing, and there's very little to be audited or investigated. The people getting and who need to be audited are the people with tens, hundreds, and billions in assets and complicated schemes for trying to hide it. And, it's not $40B in lost revenue, it's more than an order of magnitude higher.

Also, federal budgets don't work the way you seem to think they do, with your 'essentially one per month' comment. They all start and finish at the same time government wide with the federal fiscal year. If the Republicans truly want 12 separate appropriations bills, that's all fine and good, but then they need to start by actually reading the PresBud and the detailed budget requests which come from each agency, rather than the dippy "well I think x agency should be eliminated" or "well I think we should slash x by half" without actually having any sound or rational basis for doing so, because that is exactly what derails the approprations bills. And along with it, looking at how Appropriations Bill A affects Appropriations Bill B because too often they will say "we're cutting expenditures in agency A because it's being done in agency B and should be combined and expanded over there" in one bill and then in the next bill go ahead and cut Agency B's funding even though they just put a bunch of extra work on Agency B. The appropriations bills are often being influenced by clueless ideologues who've only been in office 2 or 4 years and who don't even understand how anything works, or who are being completely manipulated by slick corporate lobbyists (energy sector, DoD contractors etc).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ouch.

Double ouch:
Kevin McCarthy once suggested the president needs "soft food.” Now he's the one serving a "sh!t sandwich" to his caucus.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/joe-biden-debt-limit-kevin-mccarthy_n_64774f6ce4b045ce2485f035

So tax payers get to keep $40B of their income? I call that a win.

Plus 12 separate appropriaions bills (essentially one per month) by cabinet, instead of one massive omnibus bill every year

Oh come on, this isn't a win for the little guy. The overwhelming majority of taxpayers taxes are extremely straightforward, most Americans use Turbotax or other simple methods for filing, and there's very little to be audited or investigated. The people getting and who need to be audited are the people with tens, hundreds, and billions in assets and complicated schemes for trying to hide it. And, it's not $40B in lost revenue, it's more than an order of magnitude higher.

Also, federal budgets don't work the way you seem to think they do, with your 'essentially one per month' comment. They all start and finish at the same time government wide with the federal fiscal year. If the Republicans truly want 12 separate appropriations bills, that's all fine and good, but then they need to start by actually reading the PresBud and the detailed budget requests which come from each agency, rather than the dippy "well I think x agency should be eliminated" or "well I think we should slash x by half" without actually having any sound or rational basis for doing so, because that is exactly what derails the approprations bills. And along with it, looking at how Appropriations Bill A affects Appropriations Bill B because too often they will say "we're cutting expenditures in agency A because it's being done in agency B and should be combined and expanded over there" in one bill and then in the next bill go ahead and cut Agency B's funding even though they just put a bunch of extra work on Agency B. The appropriations bills are often being influenced by clueless ideologues who've only been in office 2 or 4 years and who don't even understand how anything works, or who are being completely manipulated by slick corporate lobbyists (energy sector, DoD contractors etc).

Extra work on Agency B?

What is that extra work? Shuffling more paper, having more do-nothing meetings, rehashing the same ground covered 50 times before, discussing the mission statement wording again, redesign the interdepartmental logo, reorganize/rename the org charts for the 5 zillionth time, blast out diversity and inclusion emails again and again, reword/stretch your performance review, redesign internal websites and HR policies for the thousandth time, battle in interdepartmental and inter-agency politics and turf wars, getting dozens of people to concur on any decision for fear of retribution?

Do you honestly believe most of these federal departments and offices even have an institutional memory on their proper roles that haven't been bent out of shape by politics (often contrary to the Constitution)? Do you think they have the wherewithall to do anything well or have the agility to do anything well outside of redistribute income?

I'm a former federal contractor in three seperate govt agencies over five years. I've seen it all. Do not try to BS me with crocodile tears for .gov

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ouch.

Double ouch:
Kevin McCarthy once suggested the president needs "soft food.” Now he's the one serving a "sh!t sandwich" to his caucus.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/joe-biden-debt-limit-kevin-mccarthy_n_64774f6ce4b045ce2485f035

So tax payers get to keep $40B of their income? I call that a win.

Plus 12 separate appropriaions bills (essentially one per month) by cabinet, instead of one massive omnibus bill every year

Oh come on, this isn't a win for the little guy. The overwhelming majority of taxpayers taxes are extremely straightforward, most Americans use Turbotax or other simple methods for filing, and there's very little to be audited or investigated. The people getting and who need to be audited are the people with tens, hundreds, and billions in assets and complicated schemes for trying to hide it. And, it's not $40B in lost revenue, it's more than an order of magnitude higher.

Also, federal budgets don't work the way you seem to think they do, with your 'essentially one per month' comment. They all start and finish at the same time government wide with the federal fiscal year. If the Republicans truly want 12 separate appropriations bills, that's all fine and good, but then they need to start by actually reading the PresBud and the detailed budget requests which come from each agency, rather than the dippy "well I think x agency should be eliminated" or "well I think we should slash x by half" without actually having any sound or rational basis for doing so, because that is exactly what derails the approprations bills. And along with it, looking at how Appropriations Bill A affects Appropriations Bill B because too often they will say "we're cutting expenditures in agency A because it's being done in agency B and should be combined and expanded over there" in one bill and then in the next bill go ahead and cut Agency B's funding even though they just put a bunch of extra work on Agency B. The appropriations bills are often being influenced by clueless ideologues who've only been in office 2 or 4 years and who don't even understand how anything works, or who are being completely manipulated by slick corporate lobbyists (energy sector, DoD contractors etc).

Extra work on Agency B?

What is that extra work? Shuffling more paper, having more do-nothing meetings, rehashing the same ground covered 50 times before, discussing the mission statement wording again, redesign the interdepartmental logo, reorganize/rename the org charts for the 5 zillionth time, blast out diversity and inclusion emails again and again, reword/stretch your performance review, redesign internal websites and HR policies for the thousandth time, battle in interdepartmental and inter-agency politics and turf wars, getting dozens of people to concur on any decision for fear of retribution?

Do you honestly believe most of these federal departments and offices even have an institutional memory on their proper roles that haven't been bent out of shape by politics (often contrary to the Constitution)? Do you think they have the wherewithall to do anything well or have the agility to do anything well outside of redistribute income?

I'm a former federal contractor in three seperate govt agencies over five years. I've seen it all. Do not try to BS me with crocodile tears for .gov

Seems the only thing being a federal contractor ever did for you is fill you with bogus hubris. 5 years as a contractor does not impress me in the least. You are still clueless as to the big picture of what goes on in agencies. You've never done any of the real mission work, and it shows.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ouch.

Double ouch:
Kevin McCarthy once suggested the president needs "soft food.” Now he's the one serving a "sh!t sandwich" to his caucus.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/joe-biden-debt-limit-kevin-mccarthy_n_64774f6ce4b045ce2485f035

So tax payers get to keep $40B of their income? I call that a win.

Plus 12 separate appropriaions bills (essentially one per month) by cabinet, instead of one massive omnibus bill every year

Oh come on, this isn't a win for the little guy. The overwhelming majority of taxpayers taxes are extremely straightforward, most Americans use Turbotax or other simple methods for filing, and there's very little to be audited or investigated. The people getting and who need to be audited are the people with tens, hundreds, and billions in assets and complicated schemes for trying to hide it. And, it's not $40B in lost revenue, it's more than an order of magnitude higher.

Also, federal budgets don't work the way you seem to think they do, with your 'essentially one per month' comment. They all start and finish at the same time government wide with the federal fiscal year. If the Republicans truly want 12 separate appropriations bills, that's all fine and good, but then they need to start by actually reading the PresBud and the detailed budget requests which come from each agency, rather than the dippy "well I think x agency should be eliminated" or "well I think we should slash x by half" without actually having any sound or rational basis for doing so, because that is exactly what derails the approprations bills. And along with it, looking at how Appropriations Bill A affects Appropriations Bill B because too often they will say "we're cutting expenditures in agency A because it's being done in agency B and should be combined and expanded over there" in one bill and then in the next bill go ahead and cut Agency B's funding even though they just put a bunch of extra work on Agency B. The appropriations bills are often being influenced by clueless ideologues who've only been in office 2 or 4 years and who don't even understand how anything works, or who are being completely manipulated by slick corporate lobbyists (energy sector, DoD contractors etc).

Extra work on Agency B?

What is that extra work? Shuffling more paper, having more do-nothing meetings, rehashing the same ground covered 50 times before, discussing the mission statement wording again, redesign the interdepartmental logo, reorganize/rename the org charts for the 5 zillionth time, blast out diversity and inclusion emails again and again, reword/stretch your performance review, redesign internal websites and HR policies for the thousandth time, battle in interdepartmental and inter-agency politics and turf wars, getting dozens of people to concur on any decision for fear of retribution?

Do you honestly believe most of these federal departments and offices even have an institutional memory on their proper roles that haven't been bent out of shape by politics (often contrary to the Constitution)? Do you think they have the wherewithall to do anything well or have the agility to do anything well outside of redistribute income?

I'm a former federal contractor in three seperate govt agencies over five years. I've seen it all. Do not try to BS me with crocodile tears for .gov

You and your contractor breatheren are actually the problem. Back when the Government did the work in house, it was a lot more efficient than it is now. Currently we have beltway bandits and consultants "doing the work" with the federal employees basically defining contract scope and procurement to the tune of billions in wasted overhead to the contractors and sub-contractors.

The GOP created this system to line the pockets of the consulting firms and defense contractors.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ouch.

Double ouch:
Kevin McCarthy once suggested the president needs "soft food.” Now he's the one serving a "sh!t sandwich" to his caucus.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/joe-biden-debt-limit-kevin-mccarthy_n_64774f6ce4b045ce2485f035

So tax payers get to keep $40B of their income? I call that a win.

Plus 12 separate appropriaions bills (essentially one per month) by cabinet, instead of one massive omnibus bill every year

Oh come on, this isn't a win for the little guy. The overwhelming majority of taxpayers taxes are extremely straightforward, most Americans use Turbotax or other simple methods for filing, and there's very little to be audited or investigated. The people getting and who need to be audited are the people with tens, hundreds, and billions in assets and complicated schemes for trying to hide it. And, it's not $40B in lost revenue, it's more than an order of magnitude higher.

Also, federal budgets don't work the way you seem to think they do, with your 'essentially one per month' comment. They all start and finish at the same time government wide with the federal fiscal year. If the Republicans truly want 12 separate appropriations bills, that's all fine and good, but then they need to start by actually reading the PresBud and the detailed budget requests which come from each agency, rather than the dippy "well I think x agency should be eliminated" or "well I think we should slash x by half" without actually having any sound or rational basis for doing so, because that is exactly what derails the approprations bills. And along with it, looking at how Appropriations Bill A affects Appropriations Bill B because too often they will say "we're cutting expenditures in agency A because it's being done in agency B and should be combined and expanded over there" in one bill and then in the next bill go ahead and cut Agency B's funding even though they just put a bunch of extra work on Agency B. The appropriations bills are often being influenced by clueless ideologues who've only been in office 2 or 4 years and who don't even understand how anything works, or who are being completely manipulated by slick corporate lobbyists (energy sector, DoD contractors etc).

Extra work on Agency B?

What is that extra work? Shuffling more paper, having more do-nothing meetings, rehashing the same ground covered 50 times before, discussing the mission statement wording again, redesign the interdepartmental logo, reorganize/rename the org charts for the 5 zillionth time, blast out diversity and inclusion emails again and again, reword/stretch your performance review, redesign internal websites and HR policies for the thousandth time, battle in interdepartmental and inter-agency politics and turf wars, getting dozens of people to concur on any decision for fear of retribution?

Do you honestly believe most of these federal departments and offices even have an institutional memory on their proper roles that haven't been bent out of shape by politics (often contrary to the Constitution)? Do you think they have the wherewithall to do anything well or have the agility to do anything well outside of redistribute income?

I'm a former federal contractor in three seperate govt agencies over five years. I've seen it all. Do not try to BS me with crocodile tears for .gov

As a contractor you never had to deal with any of the unfunded mandates, where the law says the agency still has to do the work, but where Congress has cut the funds for doing it. The only things you ever worked on were the things that Congress authorized plenty of money for. And most of the rest of what you claim doesn't comport with my experience, which is far longer than yours, both as a fed and as a contractor. Instead it sounds like it came out of a kafkaesque right wing fantasy novel. Maybe you worked for DoD, DHS or some other huge agency that's a favorite of the GOP and thus gets funds, but most of the smaller, regular civilian agencies are just struggling to keep afloat. It's frankly somewhat sickening that many major national programs are only one or two feds deep and most of them do not even remotely have the time or resources to dick around with stupid crap like designing logos or working on internal websites.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ouch.

Double ouch:
Kevin McCarthy once suggested the president needs "soft food.” Now he's the one serving a "sh!t sandwich" to his caucus.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/joe-biden-debt-limit-kevin-mccarthy_n_64774f6ce4b045ce2485f035

So tax payers get to keep $40B of their income? I call that a win.

Plus 12 separate appropriaions bills (essentially one per month) by cabinet, instead of one massive omnibus bill every year

Oh come on, this isn't a win for the little guy. The overwhelming majority of taxpayers taxes are extremely straightforward, most Americans use Turbotax or other simple methods for filing, and there's very little to be audited or investigated. The people getting and who need to be audited are the people with tens, hundreds, and billions in assets and complicated schemes for trying to hide it. And, it's not $40B in lost revenue, it's more than an order of magnitude higher.

Also, federal budgets don't work the way you seem to think they do, with your 'essentially one per month' comment. They all start and finish at the same time government wide with the federal fiscal year. If the Republicans truly want 12 separate appropriations bills, that's all fine and good, but then they need to start by actually reading the PresBud and the detailed budget requests which come from each agency, rather than the dippy "well I think x agency should be eliminated" or "well I think we should slash x by half" without actually having any sound or rational basis for doing so, because that is exactly what derails the approprations bills. And along with it, looking at how Appropriations Bill A affects Appropriations Bill B because too often they will say "we're cutting expenditures in agency A because it's being done in agency B and should be combined and expanded over there" in one bill and then in the next bill go ahead and cut Agency B's funding even though they just put a bunch of extra work on Agency B. The appropriations bills are often being influenced by clueless ideologues who've only been in office 2 or 4 years and who don't even understand how anything works, or who are being completely manipulated by slick corporate lobbyists (energy sector, DoD contractors etc).

Extra work on Agency B?

What is that extra work? Shuffling more paper, having more do-nothing meetings, rehashing the same ground covered 50 times before, discussing the mission statement wording again, redesign the interdepartmental logo, reorganize/rename the org charts for the 5 zillionth time, blast out diversity and inclusion emails again and again, reword/stretch your performance review, redesign internal websites and HR policies for the thousandth time, battle in interdepartmental and inter-agency politics and turf wars, getting dozens of people to concur on any decision for fear of retribution?

Do you honestly believe most of these federal departments and offices even have an institutional memory on their proper roles that haven't been bent out of shape by politics (often contrary to the Constitution)? Do you think they have the wherewithall to do anything well or have the agility to do anything well outside of redistribute income?

I'm a former federal contractor in three seperate govt agencies over five years. I've seen it all. Do not try to BS me with crocodile tears for .gov

You and your contractor breatheren are actually the problem. Back when the Government did the work in house, it was a lot more efficient than it is now. Currently we have beltway bandits and consultants "doing the work" with the federal employees basically defining contract scope and procurement to the tune of billions in wasted overhead to the contractors and sub-contractors.

The GOP created this system to line the pockets of the consulting firms and defense contractors.

+1000

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ouch.

Double ouch:
Kevin McCarthy once suggested the president needs "soft food.” Now he's the one serving a "sh!t sandwich" to his caucus.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/joe-biden-debt-limit-kevin-mccarthy_n_64774f6ce4b045ce2485f035

So tax payers get to keep $40B of their income? I call that a win.

Plus 12 separate appropriaions bills (essentially one per month) by cabinet, instead of one massive omnibus bill every year

Oh come on, this isn't a win for the little guy. The overwhelming majority of taxpayers taxes are extremely straightforward, most Americans use Turbotax or other simple methods for filing, and there's very little to be audited or investigated. The people getting and who need to be audited are the people with tens, hundreds, and billions in assets and complicated schemes for trying to hide it. And, it's not $40B in lost revenue, it's more than an order of magnitude higher.

Also, federal budgets don't work the way you seem to think they do, with your 'essentially one per month' comment. They all start and finish at the same time government wide with the federal fiscal year. If the Republicans truly want 12 separate appropriations bills, that's all fine and good, but then they need to start by actually reading the PresBud and the detailed budget requests which come from each agency, rather than the dippy "well I think x agency should be eliminated" or "well I think we should slash x by half" without actually having any sound or rational basis for doing so, because that is exactly what derails the approprations bills. And along with it, looking at how Appropriations Bill A affects Appropriations Bill B because too often they will say "we're cutting expenditures in agency A because it's being done in agency B and should be combined and expanded over there" in one bill and then in the next bill go ahead and cut Agency B's funding even though they just put a bunch of extra work on Agency B. The appropriations bills are often being influenced by clueless ideologues who've only been in office 2 or 4 years and who don't even understand how anything works, or who are being completely manipulated by slick corporate lobbyists (energy sector, DoD contractors etc).

Extra work on Agency B?

What is that extra work? Shuffling more paper, having more do-nothing meetings, rehashing the same ground covered 50 times before, discussing the mission statement wording again, redesign the interdepartmental logo, reorganize/rename the org charts for the 5 zillionth time, blast out diversity and inclusion emails again and again, reword/stretch your performance review, redesign internal websites and HR policies for the thousandth time, battle in interdepartmental and inter-agency politics and turf wars, getting dozens of people to concur on any decision for fear of retribution?

Do you honestly believe most of these federal departments and offices even have an institutional memory on their proper roles that haven't been bent out of shape by politics (often contrary to the Constitution)? Do you think they have the wherewithall to do anything well or have the agility to do anything well outside of redistribute income?

I'm a former federal contractor in three seperate govt agencies over five years. I've seen it all. Do not try to BS me with crocodile tears for .gov

Seems the only thing being a federal contractor ever did for you is fill you with bogus hubris. 5 years as a contractor does not impress me in the least. You are still clueless as to the big picture of what goes on in agencies. You've never done any of the real mission work, and it shows.

The "big picture" is it's a jobs program. It's a bureaucracy whose results would never be tolerated if there was a choice. Think DMV.