Republicans and the debt ceiling

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Cut USGOV by two-thirds and no one would miss it. It's just a fraud, waste and abuse factory at this point.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone tell me the quick and dirty answer - is this latest deal anticipated to pass congress? I'm just hoping not to hear the words "debt ceiling" for a couple years, plus the market is stalling until the deal is finalized.

Is an end in sight?

It was never a question. This was just for show. This debt ceiling “crisis” will be forgotten about by Friday. The markets have moved on and are not paying attention to this.

Let’s be clear who the clowns are:GOP. Democrats wanted a clear bill but MAGA needed to make a fuss and put us through this mess.

Elect clowns, expect a circus.

+1 The incompetence is stunning.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Cut USGOV by two-thirds and no one would miss it. It's just a fraud, waste and abuse factory at this point.

Well yes there is a lot of waste in the military, for sure.

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Anonymous wrote:Ouch.

Double ouch:
Kevin McCarthy once suggested the president needs "soft food.” Now he's the one serving a "sh!t sandwich" to his caucus.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/joe-biden-debt-limit-kevin-mccarthy_n_64774f6ce4b045ce2485f035

So tax payers get to keep $40B of their income? I call that a win.

Plus 12 separate appropriaions bills (essentially one per month) by cabinet, instead of one massive omnibus bill every year

Oh come on, this isn't a win for the little guy. The overwhelming majority of taxpayers taxes are extremely straightforward, most Americans use Turbotax or other simple methods for filing, and there's very little to be audited or investigated. The people getting and who need to be audited are the people with tens, hundreds, and billions in assets and complicated schemes for trying to hide it. And, it's not $40B in lost revenue, it's more than an order of magnitude higher.

Also, federal budgets don't work the way you seem to think they do, with your 'essentially one per month' comment. They all start and finish at the same time government wide with the federal fiscal year. If the Republicans truly want 12 separate appropriations bills, that's all fine and good, but then they need to start by actually reading the PresBud and the detailed budget requests which come from each agency, rather than the dippy "well I think x agency should be eliminated" or "well I think we should slash x by half" without actually having any sound or rational basis for doing so, because that is exactly what derails the approprations bills. And along with it, looking at how Appropriations Bill A affects Appropriations Bill B because too often they will say "we're cutting expenditures in agency A because it's being done in agency B and should be combined and expanded over there" in one bill and then in the next bill go ahead and cut Agency B's funding even though they just put a bunch of extra work on Agency B. The appropriations bills are often being influenced by clueless ideologues who've only been in office 2 or 4 years and who don't even understand how anything works, or who are being completely manipulated by slick corporate lobbyists (energy sector, DoD contractors etc).

Extra work on Agency B?

What is that extra work? Shuffling more paper, having more do-nothing meetings, rehashing the same ground covered 50 times before, discussing the mission statement wording again, redesign the interdepartmental logo, reorganize/rename the org charts for the 5 zillionth time, blast out diversity and inclusion emails again and again, reword/stretch your performance review, redesign internal websites and HR policies for the thousandth time, battle in interdepartmental and inter-agency politics and turf wars, getting dozens of people to concur on any decision for fear of retribution?

Do you honestly believe most of these federal departments and offices even have an institutional memory on their proper roles that haven't been bent out of shape by politics (often contrary to the Constitution)? Do you think they have the wherewithall to do anything well or have the agility to do anything well outside of redistribute income?

I'm a former federal contractor in three seperate govt agencies over five years. I've seen it all. Do not try to BS me with crocodile tears for .gov

You and your contractor breatheren are actually the problem. Back when the Government did the work in house, it was a lot more efficient than it is now. Currently we have beltway bandits and consultants "doing the work" with the federal employees basically defining contract scope and procurement to the tune of billions in wasted overhead to the contractors and sub-contractors.

The GOP created this system to line the pockets of the consulting firms and defense contractors.

+1000

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ouch.

Double ouch:
Kevin McCarthy once suggested the president needs "soft food.” Now he's the one serving a "sh!t sandwich" to his caucus.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/joe-biden-debt-limit-kevin-mccarthy_n_64774f6ce4b045ce2485f035

So tax payers get to keep $40B of their income? I call that a win.

Plus 12 separate appropriaions bills (essentially one per month) by cabinet, instead of one massive omnibus bill every year

Oh come on, this isn't a win for the little guy. The overwhelming majority of taxpayers taxes are extremely straightforward, most Americans use Turbotax or other simple methods for filing, and there's very little to be audited or investigated. The people getting and who need to be audited are the people with tens, hundreds, and billions in assets and complicated schemes for trying to hide it. And, it's not $40B in lost revenue, it's more than an order of magnitude higher.

Also, federal budgets don't work the way you seem to think they do, with your 'essentially one per month' comment. They all start and finish at the same time government wide with the federal fiscal year. If the Republicans truly want 12 separate appropriations bills, that's all fine and good, but then they need to start by actually reading the PresBud and the detailed budget requests which come from each agency, rather than the dippy "well I think x agency should be eliminated" or "well I think we should slash x by half" without actually having any sound or rational basis for doing so, because that is exactly what derails the approprations bills. And along with it, looking at how Appropriations Bill A affects Appropriations Bill B because too often they will say "we're cutting expenditures in agency A because it's being done in agency B and should be combined and expanded over there" in one bill and then in the next bill go ahead and cut Agency B's funding even though they just put a bunch of extra work on Agency B. The appropriations bills are often being influenced by clueless ideologues who've only been in office 2 or 4 years and who don't even understand how anything works, or who are being completely manipulated by slick corporate lobbyists (energy sector, DoD contractors etc).

Extra work on Agency B?

What is that extra work? Shuffling more paper, having more do-nothing meetings, rehashing the same ground covered 50 times before, discussing the mission statement wording again, redesign the interdepartmental logo, reorganize/rename the org charts for the 5 zillionth time, blast out diversity and inclusion emails again and again, reword/stretch your performance review, redesign internal websites and HR policies for the thousandth time, battle in interdepartmental and inter-agency politics and turf wars, getting dozens of people to concur on any decision for fear of retribution?

Do you honestly believe most of these federal departments and offices even have an institutional memory on their proper roles that haven't been bent out of shape by politics (often contrary to the Constitution)? Do you think they have the wherewithall to do anything well or have the agility to do anything well outside of redistribute income?

I'm a former federal contractor in three seperate govt agencies over five years. I've seen it all. Do not try to BS me with crocodile tears for .gov

You and your contractor breatheren are actually the problem. Back when the Government did the work in house, it was a lot more efficient than it is now. Currently we have beltway bandits and consultants "doing the work" with the federal employees basically defining contract scope and procurement to the tune of billions in wasted overhead to the contractors and sub-contractors.

The GOP created this system to line the pockets of the consulting firms and defense contractors.

+1000

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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Cut USGOV by two-thirds and no one would miss it. It's just a fraud, waste and abuse factory at this point.

Well yes there is a lot of waste in the military, for sure.

There's a lot of waste in HUD, HHS, AG, DOE, LABOR, DOE, and dozens of others.

The HHS budget is bigger than DoD and gets us damn little.

[Anonymous]

No one is commenting on it, but 11 Members of the Freedom Caucus shut down the House floor on Tuesday as a protest of the debt ceiling deal and nothing legislative has happened since. They voted against the rules resolution to bring up a bill to save gas stoves from wokism, as did Democrats. It’s the first failure of that procedural vote in 20 years because other Speakers don’t put the rule to a vote knowing they have the votes.

Yesterday, the House opened for an hour of short speeches to an empty chamber and CSPAN cameras, then recessed, resumed at noon for a prayer, the pledge of allegiance, and a few more speeches to CSPAN, then recessed again. They didn’t even do any of that today. They’ve all gone home or to wherever their donors paid for them to go.

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No one is commenting on it, but 11 Members of the Freedom Caucus shut down the House floor on Tuesday as a protest of the debt ceiling deal and nothing legislative has happened since. They voted against the rules resolution to bring up a bill to save gas stoves from wokism, as did Democrats. It’s the first failure of that procedural vote in 20 years because other Speakers don’t put the rule to a vote knowing they have the votes.

Yesterday, the House opened for an hour of short speeches to an empty chamber and CSPAN cameras, then recessed, resumed at noon for a prayer, the pledge of allegiance, and a few more speeches to CSPAN, then recessed again. They didn’t even do any of that today. They’ve all gone home or to wherever their donors paid for them to go.

Biden's FBI just came and seized my gas stove! Thanks Boebert!

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Would GOPers care to explain why Biden/Dems would help people who didn't vote for them?

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Would GOPers care to explain why Biden/Dems would help people who didn't vote for them?

Note that none of the states that turned down Medicaid expansion simply because Obama did it, even as hospitals closed in their states for lack of reimbursement, will turn down this free broadband money. That’s a sign that the broadband grants will flow through the GOP patronage network in red states.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Cut USGOV by two-thirds and no one would miss it. It's just a fraud, waste and abuse factory at this point.

This is false. In all my different positions with agencies, both as a Fed and a contractor, we were always understaffed. Stop perpetuating lies.