“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft

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..we don't care about the leak. We care about the opinion.

You mean a draft opinion that is part of a lengthy deliberatively process within the Court before a final opinion is ultimately voted on and released? You mean that draft opinion?

Yes. That opinion. (Why do you think your overstatement is helpful? Who do you think it is helpful for?)

For emotionally-charged people like you who are inappropriately drawing sweeping conclusions without proper context or the facts.

Nah. You're just trying to obscure the end of abortion, and everything else that stems from the 14th Amendment. That includes transracial marriage, disallowing sodomy laws, and disallowing segregation.

"Lengthy deliberative process"? The Supreme Court isn't Congress. That's not how this works.

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..we don't care about the leak. We care about the opinion.

Millions DO care about the leak.
The leaker must be identified, disbarred and named.

But is disbarment for leaking “deeply rooted in history?”

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Anonymous wrote:Unpopular opinion: most voters won’t care.

What planet are you on?

The planet that elected Trump and all that he begot.

Exactly! Sorry guys, I’m a liberal dem. Used to be deeply involved in abortion rights. But I’m just sick of it. Y’all didn’t make it happen for Hillary. So this is what happens. Wake the F up. Even if you did vote for Hillary…if you’re white…I Fing guarantee you that you have family that voted for Trump. Get your house in order or STFU.

Yeah this is kind of where I’m at too.

YUP. All these idiots who still associate with Trumpers. If you didn’t cut dear old dad out of your life in 2016, I hope they come after your IVF stat.

Troll

Not all the embryos make it. This is on the chopping block.

PP here. And we're going to make sure it is. If you're going to marginalize low income women of color, we'll make sure rich white ladies can't have what they want either.

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..we don't care about the leak. We care about the opinion.

You mean a draft opinion that is part of a lengthy deliberatively process within the Court before a final opinion is ultimately voted on and released? You mean that draft opinion?

Yes. That opinion. (Why do you think your overstatement is helpful? Who do you think it is helpful for?)

For emotionally-charged people like you who are inappropriately drawing sweeping conclusions without proper context or the facts.

Hon. [sweeps at the thousands of forced birth laws enacted in the last ten years] HON.

It is YOU who lacks context and facts. What you’re doing is gaslighting us. Or maybe yourself. But you’re not the level headed, above the fray thinker you think you are; you’re just pig ignorant.

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Anonymous wrote:And no way to leave a comment online or on the phone to that scuzz bucket Roberts. No one gives a hoot about the leak, you moron. You’re presiding over an illegitimate joke of a court.

You are so, so wrong.

Oh, I’m sorry. RWNJs who didn’t care about any of the horrific things Trump did - like put on two justices when he lost the vote and convince a third judge to retire so he could fill a third seat - are currently pretending this is bad.

No one decent cares about the leak. There. Fixed for clarity!

You know what I find totally disgusting?
When you are dissatisfied with a decision of the court, you immediately begin to impugn the integrity of any Justice who does not vote the way you want.
Sorry, Skippy. All of the Justices on the court were legitimately nominated and voted into power.

And, if you want to talk about a Justice being "convinced" to retire.... shall we talk about Justice Breyer?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/01/29/inside-campaign-pressure-justice-stephen-breyer-retire/

You are a real POS to try to defend McConnell et al.

But you didn't answer PP's question....what about Breyer?

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..we don't care about the leak. We care about the opinion.

Millions DO care about the leak.
The leaker must be identified, disbarred and named.

Many millions more care about the opinion. The opinion must be reacted to and the rights it is stripping away must be battled for anew.

You do understand that if this decision is what is ultimately advanced, it does not outlaw abortion, right?
It simply returns the decision to the states.
Perhaps our laws will become more in line with the majority of advanced countries around the globe.... placing limits on when a woman can get an abortion.

What about birth control? IUDs? Are they too abortion-y? Will they be outlawed? What about women not being able to leave the state because they might be pregnant and might be going to a blue state to get an abortion, in the opinion of whatever officer is stopping them at the moment? Will they jail my daughter because they think she's a risk of harm to others - her fetus? What if she has a miscarriage and can't prove she didn't cause it?

We simulataneously try to inhibit the voting access of poor people and pass laws that are going to make abortion more unobtainable.

You are a fool if you think this is just "yay, democracy! Cuz, states rights!" and not a cancer that is going to derail the lives of many women and families. But I guess you won't appreciate that until you or someone you love experiences the impacts first hand.

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I sure hope my Uber religious neighbors who are doing IVF right now implant all 12 of those things. After all they are babies right

And when she dies from caring so many, I hope he can handle the burden.

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Anonymous wrote:Pack the court already. JFC

With the two Republicans pretending to be Democrats Sinema and Manchin, how would you suggest doing this, precisely? With the entire goddan GOP off their effing rockers and unwilling to govern, how do you see this working out?

Oh? You think Congress won't change after this?

No, I don't think Congress will change. Maybe a few seats will be impacted, but nothing on a grand scale. DCUM posters think everyone in the country is thinking like them. That is not the case.

I think you’re in a right wing bubble if you don’t get how many women across America rightly understand this sht opinion to mean that the GOP wants their theocracy at the expense of women.

70% of women on average favor not overturning Roe. 30% of women favor overturning Roe. That's a definitive majority, but not a majority I'm convinced that can impact elections en masse, especially since anti-choice advocates are more politically active than pro-choice advocates.

Up until the last year or two (and elections haven't happened yet after the Texas law was uphold by SCOTUS), there wasn't much reason for pro-choice advocates to be politically active.

Now there is.

This line of thinking is how we got here. The Supreme Court was the ENTIRE PURPOSE of Donald Trump.

Yup. That’s why the religious extremists held their nose to support him.

Yep. Which is why I have ZERO respects for the Catholics that supported him. (Which is all my family and many friends. I grew up in what is essentially a Catholic enclave.) In fact, they disgust me b/c of it.

Yup. They were willing to support that steaming pile of orange dog poo just so they could take control of women’s bodies.

Disgusting.

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Anonymous wrote:And no way to leave a comment online or on the phone to that scuzz bucket Roberts. No one gives a hoot about the leak, you moron. You’re presiding over an illegitimate joke of a court.

You are so, so wrong.

Oh, I’m sorry. RWNJs who didn’t care about any of the horrific things Trump did - like put on two justices when he lost the vote and convince a third judge to retire so he could fill a third seat - are currently pretending this is bad.

No one decent cares about the leak. There. Fixed for clarity!

You know what I find totally disgusting?
When you are dissatisfied with a decision of the court, you immediately begin to impugn the integrity of any Justice who does not vote the way you want.
Sorry, Skippy. All of the Justices on the court were legitimately nominated and voted into power.

And, if you want to talk about a Justice being "convinced" to retire.... shall we talk about Justice Breyer?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/01/29/inside-campaign-pressure-justice-stephen-breyer-retire/

You don't find it concerning that 3 justices swore under oath during their confirmation hearings that Roe v Wade was settled precedence and have now flipped?

Of course they don’t! They want their theocracy! They want their christo-fascist state. They want women barefoot and pregnant - or not, as the man in their life chooses. They want an enormous class of poor brown people who will become de facto (or actual) slaves. They want a massive class of poor white people to act as an enforcing army holding down the slaves. They want those icky gay people back in the closet.

Notice that noooooone of the leak whiners cares that three justices commit perjury in their hearings.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

..we don't care about the leak. We care about the opinion.

Millions DO care about the leak.
The leaker must be identified, disbarred and named.

Many millions more care about the opinion. The opinion must be reacted to and the rights it is stripping away must be battled for anew.

You do understand that if this decision is what is ultimately advanced, it does not outlaw abortion, right?
It simply returns the decision to the states.
Perhaps our laws will become more in line with the majority of advanced countries around the globe.... placing limits on when a woman can get an abortion.

What about birth control? IUDs? Are they too abortion-y? Will they be outlawed? What about women not being able to leave the state because they might be pregnant and might be going to a blue state to get an abortion, in the opinion of whatever officer is stopping them at the moment? Will they jail my daughter because they think she's a risk of harm to others - her fetus? What if she has a miscarriage and can't prove she didn't cause it?

We simulataneously try to inhibit the voting access of poor people and pass laws that are going to make abortion more unobtainable.

You are a fool if you think this is just "yay, democracy! Cuz, states rights!" and not a cancer that is going to derail the lives of many women and families. But I guess you won't appreciate that until you or someone you love experiences the impacts first hand.

I don't trust politicians to understand medical care or science. These are the same groups of people who think plan b is an abortion. In fact, it just prevents fertilization. You know prevents not kills.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

..we don't care about the leak. We care about the opinion.

Millions DO care about the leak.
The leaker must be identified, disbarred and named.

As Fawn Hill once said regarding Iran Gate, "Sometimes you have to go above the law.". Whoever leaked deserves the Presidential Medal of Freedom.

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Anonymous wrote:And no way to leave a comment online or on the phone to that scuzz bucket Roberts. No one gives a hoot about the leak, you moron. You’re presiding over an illegitimate joke of a court.

You are so, so wrong.

Oh, I’m sorry. RWNJs who didn’t care about any of the horrific things Trump did - like put on two justices when he lost the vote and convince a third judge to retire so he could fill a third seat - are currently pretending this is bad.

No one decent cares about the leak. There. Fixed for clarity!

You know what I find totally disgusting?
When you are dissatisfied with a decision of the court, you immediately begin to impugn the integrity of any Justice who does not vote the way you want.
Sorry, Skippy. All of the Justices on the court were legitimately nominated and voted into power.

And, if you want to talk about a Justice being "convinced" to retire.... shall we talk about Justice Breyer?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/01/29/inside-campaign-pressure-justice-stephen-breyer-retire/

You are a real POS to try to defend McConnell et al.

But you didn't answer PP's question....what about Breyer?

What about him? Dude is in his 80s. You want to talk about pressure to retire, let's visit the sketchy decision of Justice Kennedy, shall we?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

..we don't care about the leak. We care about the opinion.

Millions DO care about the leak.
The leaker must be identified, disbarred and named.

Many millions more care about the opinion. The opinion must be reacted to and the rights it is stripping away must be battled for anew.

You do understand that if this decision is what is ultimately advanced, it does not outlaw abortion, right?
It simply returns the decision to the states.
Perhaps our laws will become more in line with the majority of advanced countries around the globe.... placing limits on when a woman can get an abortion.

What about birth control? IUDs? Are they too abortion-y? Will they be outlawed? What about women not being able to leave the state because they might be pregnant and might be going to a blue state to get an abortion, in the opinion of whatever officer is stopping them at the moment? Will they jail my daughter because they think she's a risk of harm to others - her fetus? What if she has a miscarriage and can't prove she didn't cause it?

We simulataneously try to inhibit the voting access of poor people and pass laws that are going to make abortion more unobtainable.

You are a fool if you think this is just "yay, democracy! Cuz, states rights!" and not a cancer that is going to derail the lives of many women and families. But I guess you won't appreciate that until you or someone you love experiences the impacts first hand.

I am quite sure all these posters know women that have dealt with pregnancy termination, or contraception, or ivf or other reproductive technologies. They know them and live them and need them and respect them.

But their private reproductive struggles are none of these posters business so they think they don't exist. But they do.

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Anonymous wrote:Unpopular opinion: most voters won’t care.

What planet are you on?

The planet that elected Trump and all that he begot.

Exactly! Sorry guys, I’m a liberal dem. Used to be deeply involved in abortion rights. But I’m just sick of it. Y’all didn’t make it happen for Hillary. So this is what happens. Wake the F up. Even if you did vote for Hillary…if you’re white…I Fing guarantee you that you have family that voted for Trump. Get your house in order or STFU.

Yeah this is kind of where I’m at too.

YUP. All these idiots who still associate with Trumpers. If you didn’t cut dear old dad out of your life in 2016, I hope they come after your IVF stat.

Troll

Not all the embryos make it. This is on the chopping block.

PP here. And we're going to make sure it is. If you're going to marginalize low income women of color, we'll make sure rich white ladies can't have what they want either.

+ 100000

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Anonymous wrote:It's time for a federal law protecting women's rights, not a Supreme Court decision. Roe was poorly written and poorly reasoned.

I don't mind constitutional Supreme Court justices. I'm pro-choice. I'm pro a real change that really protects women and a court decision isn't it. We need a federal law.

I say, yes, get rid of Roe v Wade and Gert something real on the books.

Getting rid of Roe before you have a congress that will vote something like that into law is going to harm women.

And if it's just a federal law then it will change the next time a GOP congress comes in. They will repeal it. So we'll have back and forth, back and forth, just like with the money that is given and then taken away to foreign aid organizations that hand out info about or help poor women get abortions.

While I am pro-choice, I don't believe that abortion was contemplated in the Constitution. The Roe decision does not flesh that out or make any kind of realistic argument in support. This women's right does not rest with the Supreme Court, unfortunately. We've just had justices willing to buffalo it along. I've been okay with that because I agree with the end result, I suppose. However, the Justices are not wrong with their reasoning here in this draft.

As a nation, we are stuck. I don't want a patchwork of laws throughout the country. I want women's rights to be protected and for women to have the choice uniformly. But, it does appear that the power does not rest at the federal level. It does rest at the state level.