Finding safeties

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DS in FCPS has a 4.3 and 1520. No hooks. Could we actually consider W&M a match (safety?!)?

A match, maybe. Not a safety. Do you even know the difference?

I do a-hole. It was just a question given the discussion of gender in admissions and stats over 75th percentile.

Did you look at Naviance?

47% acceptance rate, 4.23 and 1429

[Anonymous]

The problem with relying on Naviance statistics to evaluate your chances is that they presumably include several years' of acceptance/application data, but my clear sense is that the numbers of applicants have gone up considerably in recent years for competitive schools and so the older years' acceptance statistics are not reflective of your current chances. I've been hearing this from other parents for the last 3-4 years, and my guess is that the problem is even worst with Covid and test-free options. Just a word of caution in assessing Naviance data, which is certainly useful but should be interpreted in light of application trends.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DS in FCPS has a 4.3 and 1520. No hooks. Could we actually consider W&M a match (safety?!)?

A match, maybe. Not a safety. Do you even know the difference?

I do a-hole. It was just a question given the discussion of gender in admissions and stats over 75th percentile.

Did you look at Naviance?

47% acceptance rate, 4.23 and 1429

Seems like a target. They consider demonstrated interest and strongly suggest interviewing (virtually this year).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DS in FCPS has a 4.3 and 1520. No hooks. Could we actually consider W&M a match (safety?!)?

A match, maybe. Not a safety. Do you even know the difference?

I do a-hole. It was just a question given the discussion of gender in admissions and stats over 75th percentile.

Did you look at Naviance?

47% acceptance rate, 4.23 and 1429

Seems like a target. They consider demonstrated interest and strongly suggest interviewing (virtually this year).

Those stats are kinda dead center for W&M, not above 25%. Also remember acceptance rate includes early decision which is going to have a higher admissions rate.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DS in FCPS has a 4.3 and 1520. No hooks. Could we actually consider W&M a match (safety?!)?

A match, maybe. Not a safety. Do you even know the difference?

I do a-hole. It was just a question given the discussion of gender in admissions and stats over 75th percentile.

Did you look at Naviance?

47% acceptance rate, 4.23 and 1429

Seems like a target. They consider demonstrated interest and strongly suggest interviewing (virtually this year).

Those stats are kinda dead center for W&M, not above 25%. Also remember acceptance rate includes early decision which is going to have a higher admissions rate.

1520 is not the median SAT for W&M.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DS in FCPS has a 4.3 and 1520. No hooks. Could we actually consider W&M a match (safety?!)?

A match, maybe. Not a safety. Do you even know the difference?

I do a-hole. It was just a question given the discussion of gender in admissions and stats over 75th percentile.

Did you look at Naviance?

47% acceptance rate, 4.23 and 1429

Seems like a target. They consider demonstrated interest and strongly suggest interviewing (virtually this year).

Those stats are kinda dead center for W&M, not above 25%. Also remember acceptance rate includes early decision which is going to have a higher admissions rate.

1520 is not the median SAT for W&M.

Oh, sorry--I read the 1429.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DS in FCPS has a 4.3 and 1520. No hooks. Could we actually consider W&M a match (safety?!)?

A match, maybe. Not a safety. Do you even know the difference?

I do a-hole. It was just a question given the discussion of gender in admissions and stats over 75th percentile.

Did you look at Naviance?

47% acceptance rate, 4.23 and 1429

Seems like a target. They consider demonstrated interest and strongly suggest interviewing (virtually this year).

Those stats are kinda dead center for W&M, not above 25%. Also remember acceptance rate includes early decision which is going to have a higher admissions rate.

1520 is not the median SAT for W&M.

1520 is about the 75th percentile.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DS in FCPS has a 4.3 and 1520. No hooks. Could we actually consider W&M a match (safety?!)?

A match, maybe. Not a safety. Do you even know the difference?

I do a-hole. It was just a question given the discussion of gender in admissions and stats over 75th percentile.

Did you look at Naviance?

47% acceptance rate, 4.23 and 1429

Seems like a target. They consider demonstrated interest and strongly suggest interviewing (virtually this year).

Those stats are kinda dead center for W&M, not above 25%. Also remember acceptance rate includes early decision which is going to have a higher admissions rate.

1520 is not the median SAT for W&M.

Oh, sorry--I read the 1429.

I think those are the median stats from Naviance at their school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:These gender-disparate application specifics are not unique to W&M. My older child applied to an Ivy a couple of years ago and the admissions and acceptance rates were wildly different by gender. Pretty much true everywhere.

I don't believe for a minute that this is true. It's easy enough to verify, though. Identify the Ivy and provide a link to the numbers.

Yes, many colleges have more women applying than men. But few have W&M's disparity, and most respond simply by accepting more women.

Quite a few are similar. 42% of UNC applicants last year were male and 39% or enrolled students were male. 39% of W&M applicants last year were male and 39% of enrolled students were male.

UVA first years in Arts and Sciences in Fall 2020 were 39% male. W&M has similar majors to UVA Arts and Sciences.

Engineering schools tend to be heavily male. UVA first year engineering last year was 66% male. UNC does not have engineering.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These gender-disparate application specifics are not unique to W&M. My older child applied to an Ivy a couple of years ago and the admissions and acceptance rates were wildly different by gender. Pretty much true everywhere.

I don't believe for a minute that this is true. It's easy enough to verify, though. Identify the Ivy and provide a link to the numbers.

Yes, many colleges have more women applying than men. But few have W&M's disparity, and most respond simply by accepting more women.

Quite a few are similar. 42% of UNC applicants last year were male and 39% or enrolled students were male. 39% of W&M applicants last year were male and 39% of enrolled students were male.

UVA first years in Arts and Sciences in Fall 2020 were 39% male. W&M has similar majors to UVA Arts and Sciences.

Engineering schools tend to be heavily male. UVA first year engineering last year was 66% male. UNC does not have engineering.

You’re looking at the wrong data. The question isn’t the percentage of enrolled male students compared to applicants. It’s the percentage of admitted male students compared to applicants. That’s where W&M is the outlier.

It’s called Math 101.

[Anonymous]

UNC accepted 23.7 percent of female applicants last year, and 23.1 percent of male applicants. No real difference. So, yea, PP is right.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These gender-disparate application specifics are not unique to W&M. My older child applied to an Ivy a couple of years ago and the admissions and acceptance rates were wildly different by gender. Pretty much true everywhere.

I don't believe for a minute that this is true. It's easy enough to verify, though. Identify the Ivy and provide a link to the numbers.

Yes, many colleges have more women applying than men. But few have W&M's disparity, and most respond simply by accepting more women.

Quite a few are similar. 42% of UNC applicants last year were male and 39% or enrolled students were male. 39% of W&M applicants last year were male and 39% of enrolled students were male.

UVA first years in Arts and Sciences in Fall 2020 were 39% male. W&M has similar majors to UVA Arts and Sciences.

Engineering schools tend to be heavily male. UVA first year engineering last year was 66% male. UNC does not have engineering.

You’re looking at the wrong data. The question isn’t the percentage of enrolled male students compared to applicants. It’s the percentage of admitted male students compared to applicants. That’s where W&M is the outlier.

It’s called Math 101.

If you look at it on a percentage basis (Math 101) even for acceptance rate only, it isn't that clear. W&M's acceptance rate for men is 1.16X higher than that of females. Brown's is 1.41X higher. Yale's is 1.22X higher. Emory's is 1.19X higher. Vanderbilt's is 1.15X higher.

And many schools now have significantly higher percentages of applicants and enrollment from female students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These gender-disparate application specifics are not unique to W&M. My older child applied to an Ivy a couple of years ago and the admissions and acceptance rates were wildly different by gender. Pretty much true everywhere.

I don't believe for a minute that this is true. It's easy enough to verify, though. Identify the Ivy and provide a link to the numbers.

Yes, many colleges have more women applying than men. But few have W&M's disparity, and most respond simply by accepting more women.

Quite a few are similar. 42% of UNC applicants last year were male and 39% or enrolled students were male. 39% of W&M applicants last year were male and 39% of enrolled students were male.

UVA first years in Arts and Sciences in Fall 2020 were 39% male. W&M has similar majors to UVA Arts and Sciences.

Engineering schools tend to be heavily male. UVA first year engineering last year was 66% male. UNC does not have engineering.

You’re looking at the wrong data. The question isn’t the percentage of enrolled male students compared to applicants. It’s the percentage of admitted male students compared to applicants. That’s where W&M is the outlier.

It’s called Math 101.

If you look at it on a percentage basis (Math 101) even for acceptance rate only, it isn't that clear. W&M's acceptance rate for men is 1.16X higher than that of females. Brown's is 1.41X higher. Yale's is 1.22X higher. Emory's is 1.19X higher. Vanderbilt's is 1.15X higher.

And many schools now have significantly higher percentages of applicants and enrollment from female students.

I don't know whether your math actually makes sense, but even if it does it's not relevant. W&M is a public school. All of the others you have listed are private. Private schools can do whatever they want. Public schools cannot.

Law 101

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These gender-disparate application specifics are not unique to W&M. My older child applied to an Ivy a couple of years ago and the admissions and acceptance rates were wildly different by gender. Pretty much true everywhere.

I don't believe for a minute that this is true. It's easy enough to verify, though. Identify the Ivy and provide a link to the numbers.

Yes, many colleges have more women applying than men. But few have W&M's disparity, and most respond simply by accepting more women.

Quite a few are similar. 42% of UNC applicants last year were male and 39% or enrolled students were male. 39% of W&M applicants last year were male and 39% of enrolled students were male.

UVA first years in Arts and Sciences in Fall 2020 were 39% male. W&M has similar majors to UVA Arts and Sciences.

Engineering schools tend to be heavily male. UVA first year engineering last year was 66% male. UNC does not have engineering.

You’re looking at the wrong data. The question isn’t the percentage of enrolled male students compared to applicants. It’s the percentage of admitted male students compared to applicants. That’s where W&M is the outlier.

It’s called Math 101.

If you look at it on a percentage basis (Math 101) even for acceptance rate only, it isn't that clear. W&M's acceptance rate for men is 1.16X higher than that of females. Brown's is 1.41X higher. Yale's is 1.22X higher. Emory's is 1.19X higher. Vanderbilt's is 1.15X higher.

And many schools now have significantly higher percentages of applicants and enrollment from female students.

I don't know whether your math actually makes sense, but even if it does it's not relevant. W&M is a public school. All of the others you have listed are private. Private schools can do whatever they want. Public schools cannot.

Law 101

You don't know law either. If they receive federal funding, and almost all "private" schools do, Federal laws will apply.

No person in the United States shall, on the basis of sex, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any educational program or activity receiving Federal financial assistance.
-Title IX of the Education Amendments of 1972

[Anonymous]

i second the suggestion of Union College and would add Wheaton College (the one in Massachusetts, not the religious one in Illinois.)