Finding safeties

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:These gender-disparate application specifics are not unique to W&M. My older child applied to an Ivy a couple of years ago and the admissions and acceptance rates were wildly different by gender. Pretty much true everywhere.

I don't believe for a minute that this is true. It's easy enough to verify, though. Identify the Ivy and provide a link to the numbers.

Yes, many colleges have more women applying than men. But few have W&M's disparity, and most respond simply by accepting more women.

Interesting. I wonder why that is?

My DS is OOS at an extremely competitive high school (not in DC). He has a 3.0 GPA and a 1410 SAT, varsity athlete and OK but not great ECs. Is he competitive at all for W&M?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:St Olaf is a fantastic school. Kids mostly stay indoors in the winter. Also consider Grinnell, Emory, Pitt, Ithaca, and Tulane.

He has some of those on his list but they aren’t safeties.

Pitt is a safety for many kids. Ithaca might be.

Pitt is under 50% acceptance. No longer a safety. And Emory? One of the most competitive schools in the country.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These gender-disparate application specifics are not unique to W&M. My older child applied to an Ivy a couple of years ago and the admissions and acceptance rates were wildly different by gender. Pretty much true everywhere.

I don't believe for a minute that this is true. It's easy enough to verify, though. Identify the Ivy and provide a link to the numbers.

Yes, many colleges have more women applying than men. But few have W&M's disparity, and most respond simply by accepting more women.

Interesting. I wonder why that is?

My DS is OOS at an extremely competitive high school (not in DC). He has a 3.0 GPA and a 1410 SAT, varsity athlete and OK but not great ECs. Is he competitive at all for W&M?

My DC was at one of the "extremely competitive" high schools in this area and from DC (so out of state) with pretty much the exact same stats--with one nice, but not great EC, leadership position. Rejected from W&M.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These gender-disparate application specifics are not unique to W&M. My older child applied to an Ivy a couple of years ago and the admissions and acceptance rates were wildly different by gender. Pretty much true everywhere.

I don't believe for a minute that this is true. It's easy enough to verify, though. Identify the Ivy and provide a link to the numbers.

Yes, many colleges have more women applying than men. But few have W&M's disparity, and most respond simply by accepting more women.

I stand somewhat corrected. I went back and looked, and Brown does have a lot more women than men apply and seems to favor men in admissions. But none of the others do.

So, yea, W&M isn't "unique," but what happens there isn't "pretty much true everywhere" either.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These gender-disparate application specifics are not unique to W&M. My older child applied to an Ivy a couple of years ago and the admissions and acceptance rates were wildly different by gender. Pretty much true everywhere.

I don't believe for a minute that this is true. It's easy enough to verify, though. Identify the Ivy and provide a link to the numbers.

Yes, many colleges have more women applying than men. But few have W&M's disparity, and most respond simply by accepting more women.

Interesting. I wonder why that is?

My DS is OOS at an extremely competitive high school (not in DC). He has a 3.0 GPA and a 1410 SAT, varsity athlete and OK but not great ECs. Is he competitive at all for W&M?

It's because the school doesn't have an engineering school or a major Division I sports program. It's always attracted more women than men. JMU is the same way, but JMU doesn't favor men in admissions. The numbers are easy to see. Just google the school name and "common data set."

Years ago, in am interview, William & Mary defended the practice by saying "we're the College of William & Mary, not Mary & Mary."

Having said all that, they're not going to take a 3.0 out of state male applicant who isn't a recruited athlete, especially with those SATs. They're barely average for the school. Sorry, but no chance for your son.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Thanks for the feedback! He actually really likes William and Mary so is open to midsize schools and will apply to UVA and UMD as well.

He'll get into W&M because he's a guy, and he'll get into UMD because it's an easy admit. But he won't get into UVA.

He is a legacy.

So? The best he gets is thrown in with the uber competitive in state pool. Hardly a guarantee.

I didn’t say it was a guarantee. Actually I know it’s the opposite and hard to get into. I just mentioned some of the places he is applying that are not safeties to show that he is open to larger schools as well as small schools for the purpose of identifying additional options. Then someone said he won’t get in which might be true but the pp has no way of knowing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These gender-disparate application specifics are not unique to W&M. My older child applied to an Ivy a couple of years ago and the admissions and acceptance rates were wildly different by gender. Pretty much true everywhere.

I don't believe for a minute that this is true. It's easy enough to verify, though. Identify the Ivy and provide a link to the numbers.

Yes, many colleges have more women applying than men. But few have W&M's disparity, and most respond simply by accepting more women.

Interesting. I wonder why that is?

My DS is OOS at an extremely competitive high school (not in DC). He has a 3.0 GPA and a 1410 SAT, varsity athlete and OK but not great ECs. Is he competitive at all for W&M?

No. A 3.0 OOS is not competitive. And 1410 is on the low end of competitive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These gender-disparate application specifics are not unique to W&M. My older child applied to an Ivy a couple of years ago and the admissions and acceptance rates were wildly different by gender. Pretty much true everywhere.

I don't believe for a minute that this is true. It's easy enough to verify, though. Identify the Ivy and provide a link to the numbers.

Yes, many colleges have more women applying than men. But few have W&M's disparity, and most respond simply by accepting more women.

I stand somewhat corrected. I went back and looked, and Brown does have a lot more women than men apply and seems to favor men in admissions. But none of the others do.

So, yea, W&M isn't "unique," but what happens there isn't "pretty much true everywhere" either.

WM isn’t unique if you are looking at SLACs. And with the undergrad focus and smaller student body, it is very SLAC like. The admissions pools are heavily women and admissions favor men. Maybe not at the top 5 or so. But, mostly. Women usually have a tougher road at most SLACs. OTOH, they may have an easier road at National Us in STEM and engineering.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These gender-disparate application specifics are not unique to W&M. My older child applied to an Ivy a couple of years ago and the admissions and acceptance rates were wildly different by gender. Pretty much true everywhere.

I don't believe for a minute that this is true. It's easy enough to verify, though. Identify the Ivy and provide a link to the numbers.

Yes, many colleges have more women applying than men. But few have W&M's disparity, and most respond simply by accepting more women.

I stand somewhat corrected. I went back and looked, and Brown does have a lot more women than men apply and seems to favor men in admissions. But none of the others do.

So, yea, W&M isn't "unique," but what happens there isn't "pretty much true everywhere" either.

WM isn’t unique if you are looking at SLACs. And with the undergrad focus and smaller student body, it is very SLAC like. The admissions pools are heavily women and admissions favor men. Maybe not at the top 5 or so. But, mostly. Women usually have a tougher road at most SLACs. OTOH, they may have an easier road at National Us in STEM and engineering.

William & Mary is not a private LAC. Its undergraduate enrollment alone is nearly 6500, around the same size as Duke and Georgetown. And, yes, it is unique among public schools when it comes to favoring men. So much so that they've had to pull back because what they were doing before was borderline illegal -- that's how extreme the favoritism was. Private LACs are more free to discriminate by gender than public colleges.

[Anonymous]

DS in FCPS has a 4.3 and 1520. No hooks. Could we actually consider W&M a match (safety?!)?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DS in FCPS has a 4.3 and 1520. No hooks. Could we actually consider W&M a match (safety?!)?

A match, maybe. Not a safety. Do you even know the difference?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DS in FCPS has a 4.3 and 1520. No hooks. Could we actually consider W&M a match (safety?!)?

A match, maybe. Not a safety. Do you even know the difference?

I do a-hole. It was just a question given the discussion of gender in admissions and stats over 75th percentile.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These gender-disparate application specifics are not unique to W&M. My older child applied to an Ivy a couple of years ago and the admissions and acceptance rates were wildly different by gender. Pretty much true everywhere.

I don't believe for a minute that this is true. It's easy enough to verify, though. Identify the Ivy and provide a link to the numbers.

Yes, many colleges have more women applying than men. But few have W&M's disparity, and most respond simply by accepting more women.

Interesting. I wonder why that is?

My DS is OOS at an extremely competitive high school (not in DC). He has a 3.0 GPA and a 1410 SAT, varsity athlete and OK but not great ECs. Is he competitive at all for W&M?

My DC was at one of the "extremely competitive" high schools in this area and from DC (so out of state) with pretty much the exact same stats--with one nice, but not great EC, leadership position. Rejected from W&M.

This is 9:18 and thanks, that's what I expected with regard to William and Mary. May I ask where you son ended up?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DS in FCPS has a 4.3 and 1520. No hooks. Could we actually consider W&M a match (safety?!)?

A match, maybe. Not a safety. Do you even know the difference?

I do a-hole. It was just a question given the discussion of gender in admissions and stats over 75th percentile.

Did you look at Naviance?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DS in FCPS has a 4.3 and 1520. No hooks. Could we actually consider W&M a match (safety?!)?

A match, maybe. Not a safety. Do you even know the difference?

What’s wrong with you? Why couldn’t you stop at “Not a safety.” You even had to throw in the shocked emoji? That statement really shocked you?