Pediatric COVID hospitalizations reports thread

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They’re obviously related! Covid, RSV and pediatric hospitalizations. But we may never know exactly how because the cdc is counting every kid who comes in for something entirely unrelated and tests positive for covid on admission as a “pediatric covid hospitalization.” My SIL is an er nurse in Dallas and she confirms that there are a whole lot of asymptomatic children making it onto that list.

How are they asymptomatic if they are in the hospital? If they were asymptomatic, you would not even know they had Covid and they would likely not be in the hospital. Or if they are asymptomatic and tested positive for Covid, they would still not be hospitalized because they are asymptomatic. So your logic makes no sense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They’re obviously related! Covid, RSV and pediatric hospitalizations. But we may never know exactly how because the cdc is counting every kid who comes in for something entirely unrelated and tests positive for covid on admission as a “pediatric covid hospitalization.” My SIL is an er nurse in Dallas and she confirms that there are a whole lot of asymptomatic children making it onto that list.

How are they asymptomatic if they are in the hospital? If they were asymptomatic, you would not even know they had Covid and they would likely not be in the hospital. Or if they are asymptomatic and tested positive for Covid, they would still not be hospitalized because they are asymptomatic. So your logic makes no sense.

Kid gets admitted for something totally unrelated (broken leg, mental health crisis). All admissions are tested for Covid. Kid turns up an asymptomatic positive. Kid gets added to the pediatric hospitalizations and case counts for the area.

Kid would never have been there for just covid.

There have been at least 2 studies on this phenomenon.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:RSV without COV.iD is not taking up most of the beds. RSV can be serious for infants but it doesn’t normally land elementary and high schoolers in the ICU. RSV is also something that can coexist with other viruses. My son had RSV and Influenza at the same time when he was 18 months old. I guess if I was an influenza denier I could say that the RSV spiked his temp and gave him the seizure and the flu was a nothing burger because Tucker told me not to believe in the flu. However then I would be an hello and a bad parent.

Ahem:

Some of the physicians estimated that there were about as many pediatric hospitalizations from RSV as there were from COVID, and some have seen cases of children infected with both. It doesn’t appear that COVID puts RSV patients at higher risk or vice versa.

From that noted right wing publication, Slate.
https://slate.com/technology/2021/08/austin-texas-children-covid-risk.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A 16 year old just died of covid.

unvaccinated, almost certainly.

Yes, the family refused to address her vaccination status.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Do these stories ever provide information on the vaccination status of the parents or the patients themselves (if they are 12+)?

I realize that here in the DMV these stories are taken to push toward school closures, but it seems like these are really stories about parents (and possible eligible kids) not being vaccinated. Particularly now, when school isn't in session yet in many of these places.

Yes, and the media is reluctant to address comorbodities too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:RSV without COV.iD is not taking up most of the beds. RSV can be serious for infants but it doesn’t normally land elementary and high schoolers in the ICU. RSV is also something that can coexist with other viruses. My son had RSV and Influenza at the same time when he was 18 months old. I guess if I was an influenza denier I could say that the RSV spiked his temp and gave him the seizure and the flu was a nothing burger because Tucker told me not to believe in the flu. However then I would be an hello and a bad parent.

Ahem:

Some of the physicians estimated that there were about as many pediatric hospitalizations from RSV as there were from COVID, and some have seen cases of children infected with both. It doesn’t appear that COVID puts RSV patients at higher risk or vice versa.

From that noted right wing publication, Slate.
https://slate.com/technology/2021/08/austin-texas-children-covid-risk.html

You are not contradicting each other. There may be a high number of RSV pediatric admits but I guarantee the vast majority are three years and younger. So let's talk about the high number aged 3-18 admitted for covid, okay?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They’re obviously related! Covid, RSV and pediatric hospitalizations. But we may never know exactly how because the cdc is counting every kid who comes in for something entirely unrelated and tests positive for covid on admission as a “pediatric covid hospitalization.” My SIL is an er nurse in Dallas and she confirms that there are a whole lot of asymptomatic children making it onto that list.

How are they asymptomatic if they are in the hospital? If they were asymptomatic, you would not even know they had Covid and they would likely not be in the hospital. Or if they are asymptomatic and tested positive for Covid, they would still not be hospitalized because they are asymptomatic. So your logic makes no sense.

Kid gets admitted for something totally unrelated (broken leg, mental health crisis). All admissions are tested for Covid. Kid turns up an asymptomatic positive. Kid gets added to the pediatric hospitalizations and case counts for the area.

Kid would never have been there for just covid.

There have been at least 2 studies on this phenomenon.

Agreed. At my last shift at the hospital I took care of 4 covid patients. 3 of them were there for reasons unrelated to Covid and happened to test positive because we test everyone who comes into the ED. The last was there for symptomatic Covid (unvaccinated) but thankfully doing well.

[Anonymous]

TheHill.com August 19 2021
As child hospitalizations rise, leaders must act now

https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/568290-as-child-hospitalizations-rise-leaders-must-act-now

2000+ US children are being hospitalized for COVID every week, a rate rising rapidly.

CDC:

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:TheHill.com August 19 2021
As child hospitalizations rise, leaders must act now

https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/568290-as-child-hospitalizations-rise-leaders-must-act-now

2000+ US children are being hospitalized for COVID every week, a rate rising rapidly.

CDC:

those are admissions with covid - not FOR covid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They’re obviously related! Covid, RSV and pediatric hospitalizations. But we may never know exactly how because the cdc is counting every kid who comes in for something entirely unrelated and tests positive for covid on admission as a “pediatric covid hospitalization.” My SIL is an er nurse in Dallas and she confirms that there are a whole lot of asymptomatic children making it onto that list.

How are they asymptomatic if they are in the hospital? If they were asymptomatic, you would not even know they had Covid and they would likely not be in the hospital. Or if they are asymptomatic and tested positive for Covid, they would still not be hospitalized because they are asymptomatic. So your logic makes no sense.

Kid gets admitted for something totally unrelated (broken leg, mental health crisis). All admissions are tested for Covid. Kid turns up an asymptomatic positive. Kid gets added to the pediatric hospitalizations and case counts for the area.

Kid would never have been there for just covid.

There have been at least 2 studies on this phenomenon.[/quote

Yeah, its not that hard to understand.

In fact, after a review in May, California overreported their pediatric hospitalizations by 45%.

If a kid comes in with a broken arm, but tests positive for asymptomatic COVID, they should NOT be included in the pediatrics COVID case counts. But they are...

This is why some people have little faith in case count reporting

https://www.thecentersquare.com/california/study-californias-covid-19-hospitalization-rate-for-children-overcounted/article_383cac20-b8e1-11eb-9c6e-4f247675e642.html

[Anonymous]

Arizona hospitals see 'exponential' rise in pediatric COVID-19 cases

"The Valley's hospitals are scrambling to find enough nurses who can care for the rising number of children being hospitalized for the coronavirus."

"Banner had also seen an “exponential” increase in hospitalizations of children for COVID-19, though Dr. Bessel said most of the hospitalizations did not require ventilators or intensive care.

Even so, Banner hospitals had admitted 70 children with COVID-19 or suspected cases of COVID-19 during the first two weeks of August. Banner admitted 71 pediatric COVID-19 cases throughout the entire month of July."



https://www.12news.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/arizona-hospitals-see-exponential-rise-in-pediatric-covid-19-cases/75-c3e8ac6f-a0ff-44c8-9c66-ad20d0962d60

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:TheHill.com August 19 2021
As child hospitalizations rise, leaders must act now

https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/568290-as-child-hospitalizations-rise-leaders-must-act-now

2000+ US children are being hospitalized for COVID every week, a rate rising rapidly.

CDC:

those are admissions with covid - not FOR covid.

More data around the nature of admissions is definitely needed. However, if what some are saying is accurate - that these are cases of kids with covid but were admitted for something else like an injury - does the exponential/sharp increase in pediatric admissions mean that there has been a huge explosion of Injuries? Logic says no but I will admit that more data is needed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:TheHill.com August 19 2021
As child hospitalizations rise, leaders must act now

https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/568290-as-child-hospitalizations-rise-leaders-must-act-now

2000+ US children are being hospitalized for COVID every week, a rate rising rapidly.

CDC:

those are admissions with covid - not FOR covid.

More data around the nature of admissions is definitely needed. However, if what some are saying is accurate - that these are cases of kids with covid but were admitted for something else like an injury - does the exponential/sharp increase in pediatric admissions mean that there has been a huge explosion of Injuries? Logic says no but I will admit that more data is needed.

You need to look at the scale too. The Y-axis for kids 0-17 is 0.0-0.4 per 100,000. That means the previous peak was 3 per million kids 0-17 being hospitalized a week is now 4 per million kids 0-17 being hospitalized due to COVID.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:TheHill.com August 19 2021
As child hospitalizations rise, leaders must act now

https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/568290-as-child-hospitalizations-rise-leaders-must-act-now

2000+ US children are being hospitalized for COVID every week, a rate rising rapidly.

CDC:

those are admissions with covid - not FOR covid.

More data around the nature of admissions is definitely needed. However, if what some are saying is accurate - that these are cases of kids with covid but were admitted for something else like an injury - does the exponential/sharp increase in pediatric admissions mean that there has been a huge explosion of Injuries? Logic says no but I will admit that more data is needed.

You need to look at the scale too. The Y-axis for kids 0-17 is 0.0-0.4 per 100,000. That means the previous peak was 3 per million kids 0-17 being hospitalized a week is now 4 per million kids 0-17 being hospitalized due to COVID.

A 25% hospitalization increase in 0-17 is horrifying.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:TheHill.com August 19 2021
As child hospitalizations rise, leaders must act now

https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/568290-as-child-hospitalizations-rise-leaders-must-act-now

2000+ US children are being hospitalized for COVID every week, a rate rising rapidly.

CDC:

those are admissions with covid - not FOR covid.

More data around the nature of admissions is definitely needed. However, if what some are saying is accurate - that these are cases of kids with covid but were admitted for something else like an injury - does the exponential/sharp increase in pediatric admissions mean that there has been a huge explosion of Injuries? Logic says no but I will admit that more data is needed.

You need to look at the scale too. The Y-axis for kids 0-17 is 0.0-0.4 per 100,000. That means the previous peak was 3 per million kids 0-17 being hospitalized a week is now 4 per million kids 0-17 being hospitalized due to COVID.

And look at the hospitalization of a highly vaccinated region, like New England, where many kids 12-17 have been vaccinated:

To an area with lower vaccination rates, like the South East: