Pediatric COVID hospitalizations reports thread

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The point that PP's were making wasn't about covid being mistaken for RSV for vice versa. It's that RSV is happening at the same time as covid pediatric hospitalizations so RSV is taking up some pediatric beds, so there are fewer that could go to covid patients, so that narrative that the "pediatric beds are full!" is partially driven by RSV

This ^^

Exactly. It’s not that people think the covid is rsv or vice versa, it’s that it’s both. So, news stories that read “covid on the rise, pediatric icu full” aren’t giving the whole story.

There is definitely a surge in RSV as Covid cases are also rapidly increasing, but what the PP stated up thread was definitely misleading, and appeared to be deliberate:

So is the contention that the pediatric increase in hospital use unrelated to the spike in general COVID cases?


That is correct. It is in large part driven by RSV, which is on the rise because children's immune systems were not exposed to the virus for over 18 months, causing a surge in cases now that immune systems are not trained to fight it off.

[Anonymous]

Do these stories ever provide information on the vaccination status of the parents or the patients themselves (if they are 12+)?

I realize that here in the DMV these stories are taken to push toward school closures, but it seems like these are really stories about parents (and possible eligible kids) not being vaccinated. Particularly now, when school isn't in session yet in many of these places.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The point that PP's were making wasn't about covid being mistaken for RSV for vice versa. It's that RSV is happening at the same time as covid pediatric hospitalizations so RSV is taking up some pediatric beds, so there are fewer that could go to covid patients, so that narrative that the "pediatric beds are full!" is partially driven by RSV

This ^^

Exactly. It’s not that people think the covid is rsv or vice versa, it’s that it’s both. So, news stories that read “covid on the rise, pediatric icu full” aren’t giving the whole story.

There is definitely a surge in RSV as Covid cases are also rapidly increasing, but what the PP stated up thread was definitely misleading, and appeared to be deliberate:

So is the contention that the pediatric increase in hospital use unrelated to the spike in general COVID cases?


That is correct. It is in large part driven by RSV, which is on the rise because children's immune systems were not exposed to the virus for over 18 months, causing a surge in cases now that immune systems are not trained to fight it off.

Is this really true in the states where there were no closures last year, though? It makes sense for the Northeast, but not so much in the southern states getting slammed by Delta. They never shutdown and they didn’t wear masks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The point that PP's were making wasn't about covid being mistaken for RSV for vice versa. It's that RSV is happening at the same time as covid pediatric hospitalizations so RSV is taking up some pediatric beds, so there are fewer that could go to covid patients, so that narrative that the "pediatric beds are full!" is partially driven by RSV

This ^^

Exactly. It’s not that people think the covid is rsv or vice versa, it’s that it’s both. So, news stories that read “covid on the rise, pediatric icu full” aren’t giving the whole story.

There is definitely a surge in RSV as Covid cases are also rapidly increasing, but what the PP stated up thread was definitely misleading, and appeared to be deliberate:

So is the contention that the pediatric increase in hospital use unrelated to the spike in general COVID cases?


That is correct. It is in large part driven by RSV, which is on the rise because children's immune systems were not exposed to the virus for over 18 months, causing a surge in cases now that immune systems are not trained to fight it off.

Is this really true in the states where there were no closures last year, though? It makes sense for the Northeast, but not so much in the southern states getting slammed by Delta. They never shutdown and they didn’t wear masks.

The PP who said "That is correct" is patently wrong. Here is a good article discussing the interplay of RSV and Covid right now, particularly in certain states. But to say pediatric hospitalizations are unrelated to spike in Covid cases is wrong. https://www.npr.org/2021/08/14/1027663917/rsv-covid-children

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The point that PP's were making wasn't about covid being mistaken for RSV for vice versa. It's that RSV is happening at the same time as covid pediatric hospitalizations so RSV is taking up some pediatric beds, so there are fewer that could go to covid patients, so that narrative that the "pediatric beds are full!" is partially driven by RSV

This ^^

Exactly. It’s not that people think the covid is rsv or vice versa, it’s that it’s both. So, news stories that read “covid on the rise, pediatric icu full” aren’t giving the whole story.

Distinction without a difference. But for the explosion in Covid hospitalizations, there may have been a bed for your child when they got RSV or appendicitis. Due to something entirely preventable, your kid may die of something they could have easily survived with proper care. This is what people have been talking about when they refer to hospital systems getting overwhelmed. It means that Covid is sucking up so many resources there’s nothing left for everything else, including RSV. And with RSV, what’s different here is the timing. I’ve heard “anectdata” that kids are contracting both. There’s nothing to say you can only get one bug at a time.

But, it needs to be discussed to figure out a path forward. People are rushing to demand virtual school and lock kids down. But, inevitably, when those kids come out again, covid will once again spike. Plus we know now that all the covid precautions are messing with the natural rsv cycle.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The point that PP's were making wasn't about covid being mistaken for RSV for vice versa. It's that RSV is happening at the same time as covid pediatric hospitalizations so RSV is taking up some pediatric beds, so there are fewer that could go to covid patients, so that narrative that the "pediatric beds are full!" is partially driven by RSV

This ^^

Exactly. It’s not that people think the covid is rsv or vice versa, it’s that it’s both. So, news stories that read “covid on the rise, pediatric icu full” aren’t giving the whole story.

Distinction without a difference. But for the explosion in Covid hospitalizations, there may have been a bed for your child when they got RSV or appendicitis. Due to something entirely preventable, your kid may die of something they could have easily survived with proper care. This is what people have been talking about when they refer to hospital systems getting overwhelmed. It means that Covid is sucking up so many resources there’s nothing left for everything else, including RSV. And with RSV, what’s different here is the timing. I’ve heard “anectdata” that kids are contracting both. There’s nothing to say you can only get one bug at a time.

But, it needs to be discussed to figure out a path forward. People are rushing to demand virtual school and lock kids down. But, inevitably, when those kids come out again, covid will once again spike. Plus we know now that all the covid precautions are messing with the natural rsv cycle.

It also doesn't correctly identify the source of the problem, which you need to do if you want to solve the problem. If RSV is leading to most of the beds being taken (for example), then your herculean efforts to reduce covid admissions aren't worthwhile. You've exerted all of your resources to do the thing that will help very little.

[Anonymous]

A 16 year old just died of covid.

[Anonymous]

RSV without COV.iD is not taking up most of the beds. RSV can be serious for infants but it doesn’t normally land elementary and high schoolers in the ICU. RSV is also something that can coexist with other viruses. My son had RSV and Influenza at the same time when he was 18 months old. I guess if I was an influenza denier I could say that the RSV spiked his temp and gave him the seizure and the flu was a nothing burger because Tucker told me not to believe in the flu. However then I would be an hello and a bad parent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A 16 year old just died of covid.

unvaccinated, almost certainly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The point that PP's were making wasn't about covid being mistaken for RSV for vice versa. It's that RSV is happening at the same time as covid pediatric hospitalizations so RSV is taking up some pediatric beds, so there are fewer that could go to covid patients, so that narrative that the "pediatric beds are full!" is partially driven by RSV

This ^^

Exactly. It’s not that people think the covid is rsv or vice versa, it’s that it’s both. So, news stories that read “covid on the rise, pediatric icu full” aren’t giving the whole story.

There is definitely a surge in RSV as Covid cases are also rapidly increasing, but what the PP stated up thread was definitely misleading, and appeared to be deliberate:

So is the contention that the pediatric increase in hospital use unrelated to the spike in general COVID cases?


That is correct. It is in large part driven by RSV, which is on the rise because children's immune systems were not exposed to the virus for over 18 months, causing a surge in cases now that immune systems are not trained to fight it off.

Is this really true in the states where there were no closures last year, though? It makes sense for the Northeast, but not so much in the southern states getting slammed by Delta. They never shutdown and they didn’t wear masks.

The PP who said "That is correct" is patently wrong. Here is a good article discussing the interplay of RSV and Covid right now, particularly in certain states. But to say pediatric hospitalizations are unrelated to spike in Covid cases is wrong. https://www.npr.org/2021/08/14/1027663917/rsv-covid-children

Also wrong in suggesting that kids would have been better off had they gotten RSV last year instead -- wrong -- the younger you are, the more dangerous it is. So the statement "now that immune systems are not trained to fight it off" is very misleading. It is the first exposure for more babies that it normally would be, yes, but to suggest that it would have been better to get exposed younger is flat out wrong. Delaying exposure to RSV is a good thing.

[Anonymous]

They’re obviously related! Covid, RSV and pediatric hospitalizations. But we may never know exactly how because the cdc is counting every kid who comes in for something entirely unrelated and tests positive for covid on admission as a “pediatric covid hospitalization.” My SIL is an er nurse in Dallas and she confirms that there are a whole lot of asymptomatic children making it onto that list.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Since we seem to drop a link here and there in various threads, here's a master thread of sorts.

Alabama:
https://www.wsfa.com/2021/07/28/alabama-reporting-about-30-pediatric-covid-hospitalizations/
Also in there: "Health officials claim 108 children in Alabama have developed the Multi-System Inflammatory Syndrome of Childhood from COVID, with more kids under investigation."

Arkansas:
https://katv.com/news/local/arkansas-childrens-hospital-reports-record-high-for-covid-19-hospitalizations
"Of the 24 patients admitted, seven are in intensive care and four are on ventilators. None of the hospitalized patients have been fully vaccinated and more than half of the patients are eligible."

Mississippi:
https://abcnews.go.com/US/mississippi-health-officials-warn-delta-surge-12-children/story?id=78828192
"Of the seven children currently in the intensive care unit due to COVID-19, two are on ventilators [...]"

Missouri:
https://www.kctv5.com/coronavirus/childrens-mercy-reaches-capacity-due-to-increase-in-kids-with-covid-19-infectious-diseases/article_84988b54-ee63-11eb-899a-ab48134676d1.html
"COVID-19 cases are rising across the KC metro and children are being hospitalized at a higher rate compared to previous weeks." but the article also says the problem is compounded by a rise of other childhood illnesses.

Texas:
https://www.houstonpress.com/news/at-texas-childrens-some-kids-with-covid-need-ventilators-11610665
"Out of all the kids who show up to Texas Children’s concerned they may have COVID-19, “Currently, roughly 10 percent of those children who test positive do require hospitalization,” [...] “and roughly one-third of those may require critical care.” "[...]Texas Children’s Hospital system has treated over 150 cases of multisystem inflammatory syndrome, also known as MIS-C [...]" "Texas Children’s has a dedicated “long-COVID” clinic to research and care for some of the long-term symptoms a COVID infection can leave children dealing with months later, including both fatigue and “some long-standing cardiac [and] pulmonary issues that may need to be addressed by a sub-specialist.”"

Oh my gosh, and not a blue state among em. Who woulda thunk it?

Keep being snotty and cocky and pretending it won’t happen here if that’s what your anxiety needs you to do, but just know you’re only fooling yourselves.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A 16 year old just died of covid.

unvaccinated, almost certainly.

And the first person rushes in to shush it away and be dismissive, in under an hour. Shocker.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Since we seem to drop a link here and there in various threads, here's a master thread of sorts.

Alabama:
https://www.wsfa.com/2021/07/28/alabama-reporting-about-30-pediatric-covid-hospitalizations/
Also in there: "Health officials claim 108 children in Alabama have developed the Multi-System Inflammatory Syndrome of Childhood from COVID, with more kids under investigation."

Arkansas:
https://katv.com/news/local/arkansas-childrens-hospital-reports-record-high-for-covid-19-hospitalizations
"Of the 24 patients admitted, seven are in intensive care and four are on ventilators. None of the hospitalized patients have been fully vaccinated and more than half of the patients are eligible."

Mississippi:
https://abcnews.go.com/US/mississippi-health-officials-warn-delta-surge-12-children/story?id=78828192
"Of the seven children currently in the intensive care unit due to COVID-19, two are on ventilators [...]"

Missouri:
https://www.kctv5.com/coronavirus/childrens-mercy-reaches-capacity-due-to-increase-in-kids-with-covid-19-infectious-diseases/article_84988b54-ee63-11eb-899a-ab48134676d1.html
"COVID-19 cases are rising across the KC metro and children are being hospitalized at a higher rate compared to previous weeks." but the article also says the problem is compounded by a rise of other childhood illnesses.

Texas:
https://www.houstonpress.com/news/at-texas-childrens-some-kids-with-covid-need-ventilators-11610665
"Out of all the kids who show up to Texas Children’s concerned they may have COVID-19, “Currently, roughly 10 percent of those children who test positive do require hospitalization,” [...] “and roughly one-third of those may require critical care.” "[...]Texas Children’s Hospital system has treated over 150 cases of multisystem inflammatory syndrome, also known as MIS-C [...]" "Texas Children’s has a dedicated “long-COVID” clinic to research and care for some of the long-term symptoms a COVID infection can leave children dealing with months later, including both fatigue and “some long-standing cardiac [and] pulmonary issues that may need to be addressed by a sub-specialist.”"

Oh my gosh, and not a blue state among em. Who woulda thunk it?

Keep being snotty and cocky and pretending it won’t happen here if that’s what your anxiety needs you to do, but just know you’re only fooling yourselves.

Or... you are just praying for a bunch of child deaths to confirm your predictive powers.

It's possible you are fooling yourself, you know.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A 16 year old just died of covid.

unvaccinated, almost certainly.

And the first person rushes in to shush it away and be dismissive, in under an hour. Shocker.

At what point, though, is the thing that could have prevented that death correctly identified?

Seriously, a huge number of these hospitalizations can be prevented by parent vaccination, or by vaccinating kids that can get the vaccine. That's the truth. It's effed up that people are putting their kids at risk like this, but there is an obvious solution (vaccination).