Do you agree with this undergrad list

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Admissions rates for the Ivy League, Class of 2025

Harvard : 3.4%
Columbia 3.66%
Princeton 3.98%
Yale 4.3%
Brown 5.6%
Penn 5.6%
Dartmouth 5.8%
Cornell 8-9%

Okay question, how much of a difference is there, in your prestige perception, between 9% and 13% acceptance rate?

[Anonymous]

Shouldn't Cal Tech be in tier 1, not 1b. ?

[Anonymous]

Yield is also very important as someone earlier mentioned, part of 'voting with one's feet' as choice.

[Anonymous]

Even after yield,

Harvard : 3.4%
Columbia 3.66%
Princeton 3.98%
Yale 4.3%
Brown 5.6%
Penn 5.6%
Dartmouth 5.8%
Cornell 8-9%


The list would be :

H,Y,P,C,B,D,P,Cor.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m fascinated by the ranking categories. Why not 1, 2, 3 and 4? Do you really need tiers within 1 and 2? What do they signify? If 2a and 2b are really a realm below 1a and 1b, why sully your list with them?

Because I was trying to differentiate between splitting hairs and actual difference in prestige. 1a and 1b are very close to each other. While 1b and 2a are fairly far apart. And so on 3a and 3b could very easily be one group but it would be overly large. But there is a noticable gap in my opinion between 3a and 4.

I would argue 1a and 1b are pretty far apart

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can we create a list of affordable state universities, please?


I like UVa and William and Mary. Excellent state universities which are more affordable for in-state, very pleasant environments. However for out of state, terribly expensive.

UVA is up there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Even after yield,

Harvard : 3.4%
Columbia 3.66%
Princeton 3.98%
Yale 4.3%
Brown 5.6%
Penn 5.6%
Dartmouth 5.8%
Cornell 8-9%


The list would be :

H,Y,P,C,B,D,P,Cor.

I think generally, people agree that HYP is at the top. Then Columbia and Wharton. Then the "lower" ivies, whose intra ranking is not clear. For example, Dartmouth and Brown have good undergrad, but are mediocre at best as research institutions, whereas Cornell is very strong in this department

[Anonymous]

15 and more years ago. But since 2010's ? No. Not really with the insane number of applications submitted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, Columbia is next after HYP, but quite close. Plenty of genius kids there. New York City is hard to ignore in opportunities.

Historically, in the US from the 18th century through the 1930's or 1940's H, Y, P, C were the big four and the origins for the IV ( later Ivy) for emphasis on classics.

So tired of seeing this same Columbia booster post this over and over and over on DCUM. Give it a rest. Any google search about the origin of the name Ivy League reveals this story doesn't hold. It seems like the poster came across this theory at some point in her life (or maybe created it), latched onto it, and has repeated it every chance she gets to try to boost Columbia. Not sure why she cares so much.

I don't know anything about the "emphasis on classics," but the first precursor to the league was indeed a group formed by these four schools, known as the Intercollegiate Football Association.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intercollegiate_Football_Association

Columbia fell out of favor some time around the early 1900's. Here's an excerpt from the book "The Power of Privilege: Yale and America's Elite Colleges."

"Columbia University was the first to suffer from the Jewish meritocratic invasion. Within a decade, Jewish youths went from an insignificant percentage of Columbia's undergraduates to more than 40 percent. The Jewish influx brought a precipitous drop in Social Register and other WASP families as they fled Columbia for racially purer bucolic colleges. Yale, Harvard, and Princeton were appalled by the prospect of suffering a similar fate."

This is the reason why it is HYP and not HYPC today. It is an appalling reason and reminds us that much of what is referred to prestige today is still entrenched in the remains of past racist concepts and practices. For this forum, it is another reminder that arguing about minuscule prestige differences of these colleges is a waste of time, as it is something that is rooted in anything but merit or quality of these institutions.

[Anonymous]

With all the applications since the early 2000's, the hair-splitting in the past decade is getting very blurred, akin to the colleges within Oxford and within Cambridge.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, Columbia is next after HYP, but quite close. Plenty of genius kids there. New York City is hard to ignore in opportunities.

Historically, in the US from the 18th century through the 1930's or 1940's H, Y, P, C were the big four and the origins for the IV ( later Ivy) for emphasis on classics.

So tired of seeing this same Columbia booster post this over and over and over on DCUM. Give it a rest. Any google search about the origin of the name Ivy League reveals this story doesn't hold. It seems like the poster came across this theory at some point in her life (or maybe created it), latched onto it, and has repeated it every chance she gets to try to boost Columbia. Not sure why she cares so much.

I don't know anything about the "emphasis on classics," but the first precursor to the league was indeed a group formed by these four schools, known as the Intercollegiate Football Association.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intercollegiate_Football_Association

Columbia fell out of favor some time around the early 1900's. Here's an excerpt from the book "The Power of Privilege: Yale and America's Elite Colleges."

"Columbia University was the first to suffer from the Jewish meritocratic invasion. Within a decade, Jewish youths went from an insignificant percentage of Columbia's undergraduates to more than 40 percent. The Jewish influx brought a precipitous drop in Social Register and other WASP families as they fled Columbia for racially purer bucolic colleges. Yale, Harvard, and Princeton were appalled by the prospect of suffering a similar fate."



Hello :

What you are saying is 100% correct. In fact the prejudice was so bad that the president of Harvard in the 1920's cut down on the number of Jewish students which was approaching 25% by about 1922. he said that the old families would not only ostracize on campus but actually stop even considering to attend Harvard. The Crimson had detailed articles at the time showing the desperation by the administration to alter the student body and reduce the number of Jewish students, even though in academic merit they clearly deserved to be accepted. Columbia did this too, but it was in a harder situation because it is in NYC with much larger populations, and by its name since 1896 '...'in the City of New York' . Besides, its gets difficult to persuade faculty to reject gifted students even when in large numbers in a city like NYC.

This is the reason why it is HYP and not HYPC today. It is an appalling reason and reminds us that much of what is referred to prestige today is still entrenched in the remains of past racist concepts and practices. For this forum, it is another reminder that arguing about minuscule prestige differences of these colleges is a waste of time, as it is something that is rooted in anything but merit or quality of these institutions.

[Anonymous]

And, now of course the brilliant Asian students have been experiencing this obnoxious rejectionism.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:With all the applications since the early 2000's, the hair-splitting in the past decade is getting very blurred, akin to the colleges within Oxford and within Cambridge.

I agree on youtube and tik tok there are several students who get rejected from Emory/Vandy type schools but got into Upenn and Stanford-like schools. These schools are so hard to get into that you cant say "the student at 1b is better than the student at 3b", when said student didn't get into "tier 3" school.

[Anonymous]

Well, maybe Mayor Andrew Yang if elected will be a brilliant mayor for NYC and help universities to embrace brilliant Asian students as should be done.

[Anonymous]

What will the list look like ten years from now ? Any thoughts ?