Travel and social class

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Portugal or Disney yet.

Why would they? A broad spectrum of people go to both of those places.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Portugal or Disney yet.

Why would they? A broad spectrum of people go to both of those places.

Are you new here? This is a DCUM about social class and travel. Every thread on social class and travel devolves into a discussion of Portugal and Disney.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Portugal or Disney yet.

Why would they? A broad spectrum of people go to both of those places.

Are you new here? This is a DCUM about social class and travel. Every thread on social class and travel devolves into a discussion of Portugal and Disney.

I’m not new here. But that doesn’t mean I’m just going to accept the weirdness of DCUM.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am reading an Emily Giffen novel and the narrator says she can tell someone’s social class by hearing where a person has traveled to or where they return year after year. I thought that was interesting. Do you agree?

Idk that I really agree because just having more money to spend doesn’t really change your class background (how you were raised, where you went to school, what you do for a living, etc.).

In part it's because of personality variation.

Liberals and the upper class tend to be "high-openness" personalities. Such personalities like learning for its own sake, like to embrace diversity and see unexpected things.

At least half of the working class (especially the white working class in America) tend to be lower openness personalities who like the expected and like to follow and not lead.

The former like to travel to cities or new countries. The latter like to go to theme parks and Disney. On average.

Gross. I am liberal and apparently "high-openness" and this is ugly.

+1

This is disgusting and also untrue. Clearly the PP hasn't met many poor or working class people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Portugal or Disney yet.

Why would they? A broad spectrum of people go to both of those places.

Are you new here? This is a DCUM about social class and travel. Every thread on social class and travel devolves into a discussion of Portugal and Disney.

I’m not new here. But that doesn’t mean I’m just going to accept the weirdness of DCUM.

Either somebody spilled water on your blanket today or you spend every vacation at Disney World or Portugal.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Portugal or Disney yet.

Why would they? A broad spectrum of people go to both of those places.

Are you new here? This is a DCUM about social class and travel. Every thread on social class and travel devolves into a discussion of Portugal and Disney.

I know DCUM’s view on disney, but what’s the issue with Portugal?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Portugal or Disney yet.

Why would they? A broad spectrum of people go to both of those places.

Are you new here? This is a DCUM about social class and travel. Every thread on social class and travel devolves into a discussion of Portugal and Disney.

I know DCUM’s view on disney, but what’s the issue with Portugal?

It’s “basic”... according to dcum.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Portugal or Disney yet.

Why would they? A broad spectrum of people go to both of those places.

Are you new here? This is a DCUM about social class and travel. Every thread on social class and travel devolves into a discussion of Portugal and Disney.

I know DCUM’s view on disney, but what’s the issue with Portugal?

It’s “basic”... according to dcum.

Portugal's tourism industry might take a major hit due to its national airline being an utter disaster. (2nd most DOT complaints against non-US airlines. Air Canada is number 1.)

I wonder what will replace it as the destination DCUM loves to hate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:chiming in here. My husband's family is like this - same annual trips (to their compounds) - Montana & Yellowstone Club in winter, Florida & Palm Beach in spring and Nantucket in summer for 2+ months.

Yes, they will occasionally go to Europe or Asia for a big annual trip - but that would be a 10-day to 2-week trip in summer usually - staying at all of the best hotels (example: France would be Paris at George V for a few days, down to Nice and pick up a Med yacht charter for a week and see lots of different towns). They've done a version of that trip in Greece and Italy as well. One August we did a large extended family safari with them as well, stopping in Dubai.

When they go on annual seasonal trips to their homes, they like a set schedule, as their homes are quite nice and pretty well-staffed, so things are just easy. Generally, their chef travels with them to each house, when they are in residence. Not my thing, but it's how they were raised. The one big difference - when you move to a 2nd or 3rd home, it isn't "vacation" per se, as much as moving where you are based....when you are insanely wealthy (like my husband's family) there isn't a lot of traditional "work" per se. Lots of lunches or dinners. Board calls etc. But no one is sitting hunched over a computer working on client materials.
Hope that helps.

This seems sad. Part of the fun of traveling is living like the locals. George V is a lovely hotel but nothing beats a boutique hotel off the beaten path or an apartment in a central location.

But then again, maybe I’m being unkind. I love to travel and like to do it a certain way. Others like to vacation.

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Anonymous wrote:When I was a kid, I could tell a family was rich if they flew for all their vacations. Flying was so expensive back then, and kids didn’t fly that much. So if you met a 10 year old who had flown a lot, either his family was rich or his parents were divorced, or both.

That changed as I got older because flying got more affordable with budget airlines. I still think that a vacation where you have to fly us out of reach for a lot of families, especially if you have more than two kids. It’s still and indication of wealth or at least an indication that you are well paid enough to have a decent amount of disposable income.

And yes, where you travel is a class marker. I remember when I got to grad school and encountered truly wealthy people for the first time. I was confused about the selectivity of their vacations. To me, I wanted to go everywhere. Prague? Yes. Norfolk? Also yes? Skiing in Colorado? Yes. Jersey shore? Also yes.

But wealthy people don’t like to go places where they will interact with people outside their class. Which leads to weird things where going to the Eastern Shore is “better” than going to Hungary because Budapest isn’t “classy” enough to visit. Extremely weird priorities! But you do you— Budapest was awesome (and remarkably affordable).

Tragic to have all that money and waste your life in a bubble.
This is an interesting thought, and one I hadn't really ever thought of. But I think you're right. It's almost like a fear of the unknown. And I agree about Budapest - loved it and so cheap!

Yes the bold is completely accurate. Which is why they only go places they have been, or places that have been recommended by other people like them. Also there is a lot of staying in the vacation homes of family friends.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When I was a kid, I could tell a family was rich if they flew for all their vacations. Flying was so expensive back then, and kids didn’t fly that much. So if you met a 10 year old who had flown a lot, either his family was rich or his parents were divorced, or both.

That changed as I got older because flying got more affordable with budget airlines. I still think that a vacation where you have to fly us out of reach for a lot of families, especially if you have more than two kids. It’s still and indication of wealth or at least an indication that you are well paid enough to have a decent amount of disposable income.

And yes, where you travel is a class marker. I remember when I got to grad school and encountered truly wealthy people for the first time. I was confused about the selectivity of their vacations. To me, I wanted to go everywhere. Prague? Yes. Norfolk? Also yes? Skiing in Colorado? Yes. Jersey shore? Also yes.

But wealthy people don’t like to go places where they will interact with people outside their class. Which leads to weird things where going to the Eastern Shore is “better” than going to Hungary because Budapest isn’t “classy” enough to visit. Extremely weird priorities! But you do you— Budapest was awesome (and remarkably affordable).

This is an interesting thought, and one I hadn't really ever thought of. But I think you're right. It's almost like a fear of the unknown. And I agree about Budapest - loved it and so cheap!

Yes the bold is completely accurate. Which is why they only go places they have been, or places that have been recommended by other people like them. Also there is a lot of staying in the vacation homes of family friends.

Tragic to have all that money and waste your life in a bubble.

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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Portugal or Disney yet.

Why would they? A broad spectrum of people go to both of those places.

Are you new here? This is a DCUM about social class and travel. Every thread on social class and travel devolves into a discussion of Portugal and Disney.

I know DCUM’s view on disney, but what’s the issue with Portugal?

It’s “basic”... according to dcum.

Portugal is the Mexico of Spain.

man I'd love to go on a surf trip to the algarve right now. surf all morning, buy inexpensive artisanal linens all afternoon, drinking some vinho with fresh-caught seafood as the sun sets over the cliffs.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Couldn’t you tell someone’s social class just by where you met them, what they do, etc etc? I mean, to whom am I giving this test? And what would I do with the results?

Well in the book it’s a college student hearing that her new roommate grew up going to Christmas markets in Europe, skiing out west every spring break, and vacations on Sea Island every summer.

Tipped her off immediately to the roommate being from a high class family.

This could be rich person stuff - do they own the Sea Colony house? Do they fly first class to Europe and stay in the nicest hotels? Do they go to Aspen instead of slumming it at a less lux resort? - or it could be middle class if it is coach and rentals.

Skiing out west doesn’t have to be expensive. It really depends on where you go. And most middle class families can afford to rent a house for a beach vacation for a week or even two.

I’m not usually the poster who goes off about how out of touch DCUM is but holy $&!@ you are out of touch. I grew up in a middle class family and we could afford none of these things. We went on one vacation a year— driving 6 hours to go camping. Flying a whole family anywhere is expansive. Have some self awareness

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Portugal or Disney yet.

Why would they? A broad spectrum of people go to both of those places.

Are you new here? This is a DCUM about social class and travel. Every thread on social class and travel devolves into a discussion of Portugal and Disney.

I’m not new here. But that doesn’t mean I’m just going to accept the weirdness of DCUM.

Either somebody spilled water on your blanket today or you spend every vacation at Disney World or Portugal.

Lol ok.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Portugal or Disney yet.

Why would they? A broad spectrum of people go to both of those places.

Are you new here? This is a DCUM about social class and travel. Every thread on social class and travel devolves into a discussion of Portugal and Disney.

I know DCUM’s view on disney, but what’s the issue with Portugal?

It’s “basic”... according to dcum.

Well, DCUM is stupid. I’ve been to 30 countries and lived in 3 countries, and I love Portugal. I also love Disney.

Come at me.