Big universities where Greek life is not huge? "Safety School" a plus!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:<<hazing is prevalent in just about every club or organization in college>>

But times they are a changing, despite attitudes like yours.

Hazing is illegal. Schools get in BIG trouble (think 60 minutes) when they are associated with such activities. More and more schools are RUNNING the other way from this sick/bootcamp/mentality.

On most of the tours my DC went on, they made a point to distance themselves from fraternities, and other clubs that were not open to all members. So, you need to get some new material.

There's no sense of accomplishment or triumph that comes from joining a club that any old loser can join. What's next, jobs that hire everyone who applies? Rejection and exclusion will always be part of life. You can send your kid to a woke college where everyone holds hands and sings campfire songs, but you can't shield them from this basic fact of life forever.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:<<hazing is prevalent in just about every club or organization in college>>

But times they are a changing, despite attitudes like yours.

Hazing is illegal. Schools get in BIG trouble (think 60 minutes) when they are associated with such activities. More and more schools are RUNNING the other way from this sick/bootcamp/mentality.

On most of the tours my DC went on, they made a point to distance themselves from fraternities, and other clubs that were not open to all members. So, you need to get some new material.

There's no sense of accomplishment or triumph that comes from joining a club that any old loser can join. What's next, jobs that hire everyone who applies? Rejection and exclusion will always be part of life. You can send your kid to a woke college where everyone holds hands and sings campfire songs, but you can't shield them from this basic fact of life forever.

Some people just want to join clubs because they are interested in the club's focus. It doesn't need to be an "accomplishment" or "triumph" to have fun with like minded people over the weekend.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:<<hazing is prevalent in just about every club or organization in college>>

But times they are a changing, despite attitudes like yours.

Hazing is illegal. Schools get in BIG trouble (think 60 minutes) when they are associated with such activities. More and more schools are RUNNING the other way from this sick/bootcamp/mentality.

On most of the tours my DC went on, they made a point to distance themselves from fraternities, and other clubs that were not open to all members. So, you need to get some new material.

There's no sense of accomplishment or triumph that comes from joining a club that any old loser can join. What's next, jobs that hire everyone who applies? Rejection and exclusion will always be part of life. You can send your kid to a woke college where everyone holds hands and sings campfire songs, but you can't shield them from this basic fact of life forever.

Some people just want to join clubs because they are interested in the club's focus. It doesn't need to be an "accomplishment" or "triumph" to have fun with like minded people over the weekend.

No kidding. One of the dumbest DCUM posts ever. Fraternity triumph. Holy crap.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:<<hazing is prevalent in just about every club or organization in college>>

But times they are a changing, despite attitudes like yours.

Hazing is illegal. Schools get in BIG trouble (think 60 minutes) when they are associated with such activities. More and more schools are RUNNING the other way from this sick/bootcamp/mentality.

On most of the tours my DC went on, they made a point to distance themselves from fraternities, and other clubs that were not open to all members. So, you need to get some new material.

There's no sense of accomplishment or triumph that comes from joining a club that any old loser can join. What's next, jobs that hire everyone who applies? Rejection and exclusion will always be part of life. You can send your kid to a woke college where everyone holds hands and sings campfire songs, but you can't shield them from this basic fact of life forever.

Genuine question since I did not go to college in the US. How does getting into a club translate into an accomplishment or triumph? Does the fraternity give out scholarships or otherwise make the college process more affordable? Would like to understand..

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Any non-drinkers joined a frat and enjoyed the experience? DS does not like to drink and took some colleges off his list because of the dominant drinking culture. If he does join a Frat for other reasons, is drinking part of the expectation? [/quote

I would look at sites like UNIGO and NICHE to see how dominant the drinking culture is overall, at a given college. Their survey results reflect HUGE variations (so don't believe parents on here who say all colleges are the same). The question is whether non-drinkers are marginalized or totally integrated into the community.

Aren't most kids entering college before they start drinking/forming an opinion on whether or not they are drinkers? Or am I being too naive?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:<<hazing is prevalent in just about every club or organization in college>>

But times they are a changing, despite attitudes like yours.

Hazing is illegal. Schools get in BIG trouble (think 60 minutes) when they are associated with such activities. More and more schools are RUNNING the other way from this sick/bootcamp/mentality.

On most of the tours my DC went on, they made a point to distance themselves from fraternities, and other clubs that were not open to all members. So, you need to get some new material.

There's no sense of accomplishment or triumph that comes from joining a club that any old loser can join. What's next, jobs that hire everyone who applies? Rejection and exclusion will always be part of life. You can send your kid to a woke college where everyone holds hands and sings campfire songs, but you can't shield them from this basic fact of life forever.

Genuine question since I did not go to college in the US. How does getting into a club translate into an accomplishment or triumph? Does the fraternity give out scholarships or otherwise make the college process more affordable? Would like to understand..

It actually costs money to be in a fraternity.
But, depending on the fraternity, it can help you make "connections" for later in life when you are looking for a job.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rG6w0IAoT4U

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Aren't most kids entering college before they start drinking/forming an opinion on whether or not they are drinkers? Or am I being too naive?

Some kids already know they don't want to drink because of religious/moral convictions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:<<hazing is prevalent in just about every club or organization in college>>

But times they are a changing, despite attitudes like yours.

Hazing is illegal. Schools get in BIG trouble (think 60 minutes) when they are associated with such activities. More and more schools are RUNNING the other way from this sick/bootcamp/mentality.

On most of the tours my DC went on, they made a point to distance themselves from fraternities, and other clubs that were not open to all members. So, you need to get some new material.

Incorrect. There is no federal law making hazing illegal. It’s a state by state decision. In some states it’s only a misdemeanor. Seven states have no laws on the books regarding hazing.

[Anonymous]

University of Wisconsin - Madison
Great academics, sports, activities, social. Not a big Greek presence.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:<<hazing is prevalent in just about every club or organization in college>>

But times they are a changing, despite attitudes like yours.

Hazing is illegal. Schools get in BIG trouble (think 60 minutes) when they are associated with such activities. More and more schools are RUNNING the other way from this sick/bootcamp/mentality.

On most of the tours my DC went on, they made a point to distance themselves from fraternities, and other clubs that were not open to all members. So, you need to get some new material.

There's no sense of accomplishment or triumph that comes from joining a club that any old loser can join. What's next, jobs that hire everyone who applies? Rejection and exclusion will always be part of life. You can send your kid to a woke college where everyone holds hands and sings campfire songs, but you can't shield them from this basic fact of life forever.

Genuine question since I did not go to college in the US. How does getting into a club translate into an accomplishment or triumph? Does the fraternity give out scholarships or otherwise make the college process more affordable? Would like to understand..

Gets you laid if you get into a top-tier one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ohio State, Penn State

OSU has a HUGE greek scene. Have you even been on that campus?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:<<hazing is prevalent in just about every club or organization in college>>

But times they are a changing, despite attitudes like yours.

Hazing is illegal. Schools get in BIG trouble (think 60 minutes) when they are associated with such activities. More and more schools are RUNNING the other way from this sick/bootcamp/mentality.

On most of the tours my DC went on, they made a point to distance themselves from fraternities, and other clubs that were not open to all members. So, you need to get some new material.

There's no sense of accomplishment or triumph that comes from joining a club that any old loser can join. What's next, jobs that hire everyone who applies? Rejection and exclusion will always be part of life. You can send your kid to a woke college where everyone holds hands and sings campfire songs, but you can't shield them from this basic fact of life forever.

Genuine question since I did not go to college in the US. How does getting into a club translate into an accomplishment or triumph? Does the fraternity give out scholarships or otherwise make the college process more affordable? Would like to understand..

National Offices of the greek houses do often scholarships sometimes. Also if you hold an office position, it can be good for applications to other schools/jobs. Also, there is usually lots of community service done (at least on my campus). And it doesn't always cost a ton of money to join. I was dirt poor but was able to join by working in the house kitchen (cleaning up/prepping meals).

As for "any loser can join comments", I find that interesting. There is a week long rush (at least on the campus I was on), including review of recommendations and applications. I believe it is even more extensive now (looking at Social Media, submitting transcripts, etc.) So that comment is factually incorrect. And, strangely, at odds with the usual complaint that greek houses are too exclusive. So which is it folks?

Look, I was in a sorority. I liked it, didn't love it. I certainly abided by their rules but I did not follow lock step. Some did, some didn't. And am ambivalent if my kid joins a greek house. But some of you folks commenting here clearly have ZERO experience with being in a greek house.

[Anonymous]

Notre Dame has no Greek, but it isn't a safety school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:<<hazing is prevalent in just about every club or organization in college>>

But times they are a changing, despite attitudes like yours.

Hazing is illegal. Schools get in BIG trouble (think 60 minutes) when they are associated with such activities. More and more schools are RUNNING the other way from this sick/bootcamp/mentality.

On most of the tours my DC went on, they made a point to distance themselves from fraternities, and other clubs that were not open to all members. So, you need to get some new material.

There's no sense of accomplishment or triumph that comes from joining a club that any old loser can join. What's next, jobs that hire everyone who applies? Rejection and exclusion will always be part of life. You can send your kid to a woke college where everyone holds hands and sings campfire songs, but you can't shield them from this basic fact of life forever.

Some people just want to join clubs because they are interested in the club's focus. It doesn't need to be an "accomplishment" or "triumph" to have fun with like minded people over the weekend.

The club's focus? Beer. In a keg. How special.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:<<hazing is prevalent in just about every club or organization in college>>

But times they are a changing, despite attitudes like yours.

Hazing is illegal. Schools get in BIG trouble (think 60 minutes) when they are associated with such activities. More and more schools are RUNNING the other way from this sick/bootcamp/mentality.

On most of the tours my DC went on, they made a point to distance themselves from fraternities, and other clubs that were not open to all members. So, you need to get some new material.

There's no sense of accomplishment or triumph that comes from joining a club that any old loser can join. What's next, jobs that hire everyone who applies? Rejection and exclusion will always be part of life. You can send your kid to a woke college where everyone holds hands and sings campfire songs, but you can't shield them from this basic fact of life forever.

Genuine question since I did not go to college in the US. How does getting into a club translate into an accomplishment or triumph? Does the fraternity give out scholarships or otherwise make the college process more affordable? Would like to understand..

National Offices of the greek houses do often scholarships sometimes. Also if you hold an office position, it can be good for applications to other schools/jobs. Also, there is usually lots of community service done (at least on my campus). And it doesn't always cost a ton of money to join. I was dirt poor but was able to join by working in the house kitchen (cleaning up/prepping meals).

As for "any loser can join comments", I find that interesting. There is a week long rush (at least on the campus I was on), including review of recommendations and applications. I believe it is even more extensive now (looking at Social Media, submitting transcripts, etc.) So that comment is factually incorrect. And, strangely, at odds with the usual complaint that greek houses are too exclusive. So which is it folks?

Look, I was in a sorority. I liked it, didn't love it. I certainly abided by their rules but I did not follow lock step. Some did, some didn't. And am ambivalent if my kid joins a greek house. But some of you folks commenting here clearly have ZERO experience with being in a greek house.

I think you misread the comment you're responding to here. PP was saying they prefer frats/sororities to other campus clubs precisely BECAUSE not just any loser can join.