My kids are more comfortable at home

[Anonymous]

We heard back from our elementary school. out of 300 students, 70 will return to in person instruction. To me this is confirmation of the fact that we teachers are doing a pretty good job with the distance teaching, and that our mostly minority or immigrant parents aren't comfortable with in person school just yet for their elementary kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We heard back from our elementary school. out of 300 students, 70 will return to in person instruction. To me this is confirmation of the fact that we teachers are doing a pretty good job with the distance teaching, and that our mostly minority or immigrant parents aren't comfortable with in person school just yet for their elementary kids.

This means nothing for how well you are doing in distance learning. These decisions to stay home are the result of so many other issues aside from the quality of teaching. Frankly, I would not be surprised to find that the majority of these decisions were made completely independently of teacher quality.

We already have the DC data which show that our minority children are doing substantially worse, so don't go patting yourself on the back.

How tone-deaf. "They don't trust us, so we must be doing a great job!"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Parents who want to keep their kids home aren’t seeing the forest through the trees.

Guess what? Your kid will become socially awkward if he/she continues to stay home. Kids need to learn and socialize. If you’re an ADULT WHO CHOOSES to work from home, that’s fine. But a child (including teens) needs to be around other children to learn not just their abcs and math, but also how to interact and continue to interact with others. Knowing how to interact is a huge part of work success.

Schools have an important social role in mixing children with other children who are not like them. Yes, there are schools where diversity is low along some dimension, but there is always some amount.

Relatedly, close ties with friends (who are often like you) are extremely valuable. But navigating weak ties (who are often different) is a more challenging and useful skill. Children who have been home during the pandemic have mostly only engaged with people with whom they have close ties. This is comfortable and easy for most of us. But it's the weak ties where kids need to work harder, and this is why even kids who are happy to be away from the "distracting kids" need to go back to school.

+1

-100

Social learning does not happen naturally, it needs to be taught and modeled. Just like throwing someone in the water won't teach them to swim, just mixing kids together won’t teach them social skills. Kids who need help with social skills usually are the first to “drown”. They need to be taught “in a shallow area of the pool”, being surrounded by the friendly peers and adults is a huge huge help.

Conflict resolution is skill that is also needs to be taught. Just like with everything else, some people are more talented in social domain than others and need less support.


I like this thread on bullying on Reddit. Read the first comment from the teacher. How many teachers like this do you know?

https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/lnd42g/teens_who_bully_harass_or_victimize_peers_are/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

...looks like that is a thing which can only happen in-person, in schools.

[Anonymous]

There's this undercurrent through a lot of threads here that the distracting kids don't truly belong, that they're a hassle for teachers, that they are a problem.

Their presence at school is just as legitimate as the presence of your quiet, obedient, academic child. I would argue that they need it even more.

I feel bad for those kids who are getting lost right now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There's this undercurrent through a lot of threads here that the distracting kids don't truly belong, that they're a hassle for teachers, that they are a problem.

Their presence at school is just as legitimate as the presence of your quiet, obedient, academic child. I would argue that they need it even more.

I feel bad for those kids who are getting lost right now.

This. So many of these "disruptive" kids are acting out because they need more, whether that's attention, challenge, specialized instruction, in some cases even things as simple as safety and food. And DL allows schools to wash their hands of them. It is tragic.

This whole thing might just finally spur me to get my masters in social work so I can become a school counselor. I just feel like we need to be doing something for this generation of kids who will get lost in all this. I'm so worried for the kids at our school and in our neighborhood. And I'm most worried for the ones I never see any more.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There's this undercurrent through a lot of threads here that the distracting kids don't truly belong, that they're a hassle for teachers, that they are a problem.

Their presence at school is just as legitimate as the presence of your quiet, obedient, academic child. I would argue that they need it even more.

I feel bad for those kids who are getting lost right now.

This. So many of these "disruptive" kids are acting out because they need more, whether that's attention, challenge, specialized instruction, in some cases even things as simple as safety and food. And DL allows schools to wash their hands of them. It is tragic.

This whole thing might just finally spur me to get my masters in social work so I can become a school counselor. I just feel like we need to be doing something for this generation of kids who will get lost in all this. I'm so worried for the kids at our school and in our neighborhood. And I'm most worried for the ones I never see any more.

I see teachers who cheerfully talk about how they no longer have to deal with the behavioral issues of the bad kids. Those kids are still having behavioral issues, but I guess you can just tune them out now. Those issues are still getting in the way of effective learning, and that's concerning.

I'm sure that someone will come along to argue that it's the parents' responsibility first. I won't dispute this. But some kids have crappy parents or parents who don't know how to deal with certain types of behavioral issues. And those kids deserve an effective education too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Parents who want to keep their kids home aren’t seeing the forest through the trees.

Guess what? Your kid will become socially awkward if he/she continues to stay home. Kids need to learn and socialize. If you’re an ADULT WHO CHOOSES to work from home, that’s fine. But a child (including teens) needs to be around other children to learn not just their abcs and math, but also how to interact and continue to interact with others. Knowing how to interact is a huge part of work success.

Schools have an important social role in mixing children with other children who are not like them. Yes, there are schools where diversity is low along some dimension, but there is always some amount.

Relatedly, close ties with friends (who are often like you) are extremely valuable. But navigating weak ties (who are often different) is a more challenging and useful skill. Children who have been home during the pandemic have mostly only engaged with people with whom they have close ties. This is comfortable and easy for most of us. But it's the weak ties where kids need to work harder, and this is why even kids who are happy to be away from the "distracting kids" need to go back to school.

+1

-100

Social learning does not happen naturally, it needs to be taught and modeled. Just like throwing someone in the water won't teach them to swim, just mixing kids together won’t teach them social skills. Kids who need help with social skills usually are the first to “drown”. They need to be taught “in a shallow area of the pool”, being surrounded by the friendly peers and adults is a huge huge help.

Conflict resolution is skill that is also needs to be taught. Just like with everything else, some people are more talented in social domain than others and need less support.


I like this thread on bullying on Reddit. Read the first comment from the teacher. How many teachers like this do you know?

https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/lnd42g/teens_who_bully_harass_or_victimize_peers_are/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

...looks like that is a thing which can only happen in-person, in schools.

In person, but not necessarily in school. Some of you are unable to grasp that socializing and learning don’t have to happen concurrently.

While many children got traumatized by DL this year, as many if not more get traumatized by in-person school.

Many of the posts in this thread are ableist and ignorant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Parents who want to keep their kids home aren’t seeing the forest through the trees.

Guess what? Your kid will become socially awkward if he/she continues to stay home. Kids need to learn and socialize. If you’re an ADULT WHO CHOOSES to work from home, that’s fine. But a child (including teens) needs to be around other children to learn not just their abcs and math, but also how to interact and continue to interact with others. Knowing how to interact is a huge part of work success.

Schools have an important social role in mixing children with other children who are not like them. Yes, there are schools where diversity is low along some dimension, but there is always some amount.

Relatedly, close ties with friends (who are often like you) are extremely valuable. But navigating weak ties (who are often different) is a more challenging and useful skill. Children who have been home during the pandemic have mostly only engaged with people with whom they have close ties. This is comfortable and easy for most of us. But it's the weak ties where kids need to work harder, and this is why even kids who are happy to be away from the "distracting kids" need to go back to school.

+1

-100

Social learning does not happen naturally, it needs to be taught and modeled. Just like throwing someone in the water won't teach them to swim, just mixing kids together won’t teach them social skills. Kids who need help with social skills usually are the first to “drown”. They need to be taught “in a shallow area of the pool”, being surrounded by the friendly peers and adults is a huge huge help.

Conflict resolution is skill that is also needs to be taught. Just like with everything else, some people are more talented in social domain than others and need less support.


I like this thread on bullying on Reddit. Read the first comment from the teacher. How many teachers like this do you know?

https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/lnd42g/teens_who_bully_harass_or_victimize_peers_are/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

...looks like that is a thing which can only happen in-person, in schools.

In person, but not necessarily in school. Some of you are unable to grasp that socializing and learning don’t have to happen concurrently.

While many children got traumatized by DL this year, as many if not more get traumatized by in-person school.

Many of the posts in this thread are ableist and ignorant.

I strongly dispute your claim that more children are being harmed by in-person school. And, no one is trying to rip your babies out of your arms. Go, live your socially isolated life. Just don't take public in-person school resources to do it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Parents who want to keep their kids home aren’t seeing the forest through the trees.

Guess what? Your kid will become socially awkward if he/she continues to stay home. Kids need to learn and socialize. If you’re an ADULT WHO CHOOSES to work from home, that’s fine. But a child (including teens) needs to be around other children to learn not just their abcs and math, but also how to interact and continue to interact with others. Knowing how to interact is a huge part of work success.

Schools have an important social role in mixing children with other children who are not like them. Yes, there are schools where diversity is low along some dimension, but there is always some amount.

Relatedly, close ties with friends (who are often like you) are extremely valuable. But navigating weak ties (who are often different) is a more challenging and useful skill. Children who have been home during the pandemic have mostly only engaged with people with whom they have close ties. This is comfortable and easy for most of us. But it's the weak ties where kids need to work harder, and this is why even kids who are happy to be away from the "distracting kids" need to go back to school.

+1

-100

Social learning does not happen naturally, it needs to be taught and modeled. Just like throwing someone in the water won't teach them to swim, just mixing kids together won’t teach them social skills. Kids who need help with social skills usually are the first to “drown”. They need to be taught “in a shallow area of the pool”, being surrounded by the friendly peers and adults is a huge huge help.

Conflict resolution is skill that is also needs to be taught. Just like with everything else, some people are more talented in social domain than others and need less support.


I like this thread on bullying on Reddit. Read the first comment from the teacher. How many teachers like this do you know?

https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/lnd42g/teens_who_bully_harass_or_victimize_peers_are/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

...looks like that is a thing which can only happen in-person, in schools.

In person, but not necessarily in school. Some of you are unable to grasp that socializing and learning don’t have to happen concurrently.

While many children got traumatized by DL this year, as many if not more get traumatized by in-person school.

Many of the posts in this thread are ableist and ignorant.

I strongly dispute your claim that more children are being harmed by in-person school. And, no one is trying to rip your babies out of your arms. Go, live your socially isolated life. Just don't take public in-person school resources to do it.

Haha, my dispute is stronger than yours!

And why is your baby deserves the funding more than other people’s babies?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We heard back from our elementary school. out of 300 students, 70 will return to in person instruction. To me this is confirmation of the fact that we teachers are doing a pretty good job with the distance teaching, and that our mostly minority or immigrant parents aren't comfortable with in person school just yet for their elementary kids.

This means nothing for how well you are doing in distance learning. These decisions to stay home are the result of so many other issues aside from the quality of teaching. Frankly, I would not be surprised to find that the majority of these decisions were made completely independently of teacher quality.

We already have the DC data which show that our minority children are doing substantially worse, so don't go patting yourself on the back.

How tone-deaf. "They don't trust us, so we must be doing a great job!"

I’ll pay myself on the back, thank you very much.

Parents of kids in our school have been very supportive of the instruction their kids are getting this year. I have near perfect attendance from my students now ( not true in the fall... we had to work hard to get kids hooked up and into the routine, but we did it! We have amazing parents and teachers in my school, which is almost entirely minority and 80% FARMS.


And if 230 kids were coming back you know you’d interpret it in part as parents thought distance learning was awful and could not wait to get back to n person.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Parents who want to keep their kids home aren’t seeing the forest through the trees.

Guess what? Your kid will become socially awkward if he/she continues to stay home. Kids need to learn and socialize. If you’re an ADULT WHO CHOOSES to work from home, that’s fine. But a child (including teens) needs to be around other children to learn not just their abcs and math, but also how to interact and continue to interact with others. Knowing how to interact is a huge part of work success.

Schools have an important social role in mixing children with other children who are not like them. Yes, there are schools where diversity is low along some dimension, but there is always some amount.

Relatedly, close ties with friends (who are often like you) are extremely valuable. But navigating weak ties (who are often different) is a more challenging and useful skill. Children who have been home during the pandemic have mostly only engaged with people with whom they have close ties. This is comfortable and easy for most of us. But it's the weak ties where kids need to work harder, and this is why even kids who are happy to be away from the "distracting kids" need to go back to school.

+1

-100

Social learning does not happen naturally, it needs to be taught and modeled. Just like throwing someone in the water won't teach them to swim, just mixing kids together won’t teach them social skills. Kids who need help with social skills usually are the first to “drown”. They need to be taught “in a shallow area of the pool”, being surrounded by the friendly peers and adults is a huge huge help.

Conflict resolution is skill that is also needs to be taught. Just like with everything else, some people are more talented in social domain than others and need less support.


I like this thread on bullying on Reddit. Read the first comment from the teacher. How many teachers like this do you know?

https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/lnd42g/teens_who_bully_harass_or_victimize_peers_are/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

...looks like that is a thing which can only happen in-person, in schools.

In person, but not necessarily in school. Some of you are unable to grasp that socializing and learning don’t have to happen concurrently.

While many children got traumatized by DL this year, as many if not more get traumatized by in-person school.

Many of the posts in this thread are ableist and ignorant.

I strongly dispute your claim that more children are being harmed by in-person school. And, no one is trying to rip your babies out of your arms. Go, live your socially isolated life. Just don't take public in-person school resources to do it.

Haha, my dispute is stronger than yours!

And why is your baby deserves the funding more than other people’s babies?

I don't have a child.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There's this undercurrent through a lot of threads here that the distracting kids don't truly belong, that they're a hassle for teachers, that they are a problem.

Their presence at school is just as legitimate as the presence of your quiet, obedient, academic child. I would argue that they need it even more.

I feel bad for those kids who are getting lost right now.

This. So many of these "disruptive" kids are acting out because they need more, whether that's attention, challenge, specialized instruction, in some cases even things as simple as safety and food. And DL allows schools to wash their hands of them. It is tragic.

This whole thing might just finally spur me to get my masters in social work so I can become a school counselor. I just feel like we need to be doing something for this generation of kids who will get lost in all this. I'm so worried for the kids at our school and in our neighborhood. And I'm most worried for the ones I never see any more.

I see teachers who cheerfully talk about how they no longer have to deal with the behavioral issues of the bad kids. Those kids are still having behavioral issues, but I guess you can just tune them out now. Those issues are still getting in the way of effective learning, and that's concerning.

I'm sure that someone will come along to argue that it's the parents' responsibility first. I won't dispute this. But some kids have crappy parents or parents who don't know how to deal with certain types of behavioral issues. And those kids deserve an effective education too.

Yeah but they didn’t not get an effective education when school is fully in person either. They just suck up a teachers time and energy. At least with different stance learning they don’t disrupt the education of the other students nearly as much.

If we had enough school counselors to deal with the very disruptive kids, that’s be so awesome. But it’s a pipe dream. School districts aren’t going to pay for that kind of support. Private schools don’t let most disruptive kids in or counsel them out quickly. Public schools have to take everyone. But they don’t have to have adequate staff to handle them

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We heard back from our elementary school. out of 300 students, 70 will return to in person instruction. To me this is confirmation of the fact that we teachers are doing a pretty good job with the distance teaching, and that our mostly minority or immigrant parents aren't comfortable with in person school just yet for their elementary kids.

This means nothing for how well you are doing in distance learning. These decisions to stay home are the result of so many other issues aside from the quality of teaching. Frankly, I would not be surprised to find that the majority of these decisions were made completely independently of teacher quality.

We already have the DC data which show that our minority children are doing substantially worse, so don't go patting yourself on the back.

How tone-deaf. "They don't trust us, so we must be doing a great job!"

I’ll pay myself on the back, thank you very much.

Parents of kids in our school have been very supportive of the instruction their kids are getting this year. I have near perfect attendance from my students now ( not true in the fall... we had to work hard to get kids hooked up and into the routine, but we did it! We have amazing parents and teachers in my school, which is almost entirely minority and 80% FARMS.


And if 230 kids were coming back you know you’d interpret it in part as parents thought distance learning was awful and could not wait to get back to n person.

And the test results?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Parents who want to keep their kids home aren’t seeing the forest through the trees.

Guess what? Your kid will become socially awkward if he/she continues to stay home. Kids need to learn and socialize. If you’re an ADULT WHO CHOOSES to work from home, that’s fine. But a child (including teens) needs to be around other children to learn not just their abcs and math, but also how to interact and continue to interact with others. Knowing how to interact is a huge part of work success.

Schools have an important social role in mixing children with other children who are not like them. Yes, there are schools where diversity is low along some dimension, but there is always some amount.

Relatedly, close ties with friends (who are often like you) are extremely valuable. But navigating weak ties (who are often different) is a more challenging and useful skill. Children who have been home during the pandemic have mostly only engaged with people with whom they have close ties. This is comfortable and easy for most of us. But it's the weak ties where kids need to work harder, and this is why even kids who are happy to be away from the "distracting kids" need to go back to school.

+1

-100

Social learning does not happen naturally, it needs to be taught and modeled. Just like throwing someone in the water won't teach them to swim, just mixing kids together won’t teach them social skills. Kids who need help with social skills usually are the first to “drown”. They need to be taught “in a shallow area of the pool”, being surrounded by the friendly peers and adults is a huge huge help.

Conflict resolution is skill that is also needs to be taught. Just like with everything else, some people are more talented in social domain than others and need less support.


I like this thread on bullying on Reddit. Read the first comment from the teacher. How many teachers like this do you know?

https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/lnd42g/teens_who_bully_harass_or_victimize_peers_are/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

...looks like that is a thing which can only happen in-person, in schools.

In person, but not necessarily in school. Some of you are unable to grasp that socializing and learning don’t have to happen concurrently.

While many children got traumatized by DL this year, as many if not more get traumatized by in-person school.

Many of the posts in this thread are ableist and ignorant.

I strongly dispute your claim that more children are being harmed by in-person school. And, no one is trying to rip your babies out of your arms. Go, live your socially isolated life. Just don't take public in-person school resources to do it.

Haha, my dispute is stronger than yours!

And why is your baby deserves the funding more than other people’s babies?

I don't have a child.

It shows.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There's this undercurrent through a lot of threads here that the distracting kids don't truly belong, that they're a hassle for teachers, that they are a problem.

Their presence at school is just as legitimate as the presence of your quiet, obedient, academic child. I would argue that they need it even more.

I feel bad for those kids who are getting lost right now.

This. So many of these "disruptive" kids are acting out because they need more, whether that's attention, challenge, specialized instruction, in some cases even things as simple as safety and food. And DL allows schools to wash their hands of them. It is tragic.

This whole thing might just finally spur me to get my masters in social work so I can become a school counselor. I just feel like we need to be doing something for this generation of kids who will get lost in all this. I'm so worried for the kids at our school and in our neighborhood. And I'm most worried for the ones I never see any more.

I see teachers who cheerfully talk about how they no longer have to deal with the behavioral issues of the bad kids. Those kids are still having behavioral issues, but I guess you can just tune them out now. Those issues are still getting in the way of effective learning, and that's concerning.

I'm sure that someone will come along to argue that it's the parents' responsibility first. I won't dispute this. But some kids have crappy parents or parents who don't know how to deal with certain types of behavioral issues. And those kids deserve an effective education too.

Yeah but they didn’t not get an effective education when school is fully in person either. They just suck up a teachers time and energy. At least with different stance learning they don’t disrupt the education of the other students nearly as much.

If we had enough school counselors to deal with the very disruptive kids, that’s be so awesome. But it’s a pipe dream. School districts aren’t going to pay for that kind of support. Private schools don’t let most disruptive kids in or counsel them out quickly. Public schools have to take everyone. But they don’t have to have adequate staff to handle them

oh, so because they weren't getting the best education, they should be able to accept an even worse one. got it.