My kids are more comfortable at home

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have to say, as a teacher I am no longer bothered by people insisting school is childcare. Fine! I’m not going to spend my own money on supplies for my childcare job. I’m not going to bother putting together Donors Choose projects for babysitting supplies. I’m certainly not going to come home stressing about providing daycare or planning for the next day. If the kids are occupied and alive, then I’ve done my job as a childcare provider.
I’ve cut way back on my planning elaborate lessons. I don’t grade outside of my contract hours. My off time is my own. I’m fine putting the district provided resources in front of the kids, even if I previously thought they were confusing or inadequate. It’s childcare-I’ve done my job.

x1000 Good for you.

+1

I have never understood why teachers used their own money for supplies or worked outside of their contract hours. Stop being a martyr and stop propping up a failing system because it will never get fixed. It becomes normalized and when exhausted teachers start to pushback they are called unprofessional and asked to "think of the children". Why not ask the politicians or parents or tax payers to think of the children? Teachers are there to educate. They are not social workers or psychologists or the other million things parents expect.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We heard back from our elementary school. out of 300 students, 70 will return to in person instruction. To me this is confirmation of the fact that we teachers are doing a pretty good job with the distance teaching, and that our mostly minority or immigrant parents aren't comfortable with in person school just yet for their elementary kids.

Or the parents just didn't respond... which means their child was put in DL.

Default was in person.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I agree, OP.

I hope schools discontinue remote learning options next year. It is a drain on school resources and limits their ability to serve the well being of everyone else. This semester should be the last of it.

+100

This doesn't make sense to me. If a certain number of kids want to be DL, it is easy to find a certain number of teachers who want to teach DL. The curriculum is already mostly on screens anyway. Why do you think this is a drain on resources? If anything, teaching this way will be less expensive.

If that's the case, there's no reason to pay for expensive, local, unionized labor.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have to say, as a teacher I am no longer bothered by people insisting school is childcare. Fine! I’m not going to spend my own money on supplies for my childcare job. I’m not going to bother putting together Donors Choose projects for babysitting supplies. I’m certainly not going to come home stressing about providing daycare or planning for the next day. If the kids are occupied and alive, then I’ve done my job as a childcare provider.
I’ve cut way back on my planning elaborate lessons. I don’t grade outside of my contract hours. My off time is my own. I’m fine putting the district provided resources in front of the kids, even if I previously thought they were confusing or inadequate. It’s childcare-I’ve done my job.

I hope you realize how completely unprofessional you sound. Particularly if you’re an elementary school teacher, providing care for children has always been *part* of your job. The bigger issue is why you think that fact demeans everything else you do.

I’ve been a nanny before. I didn’t go to grad school to continue nannying. I taught during the day, went to school at night, and put in twelve hour days between planning, my own school work and class time, certification, and all my professional responsibilities as a full time special education teacher. I paid thousands of dollars and put in countless hours. The reality is that I made more money nannying part time than I did as a first year teacher. As a nanny, I was expected to provide childcare, period. As a teacher, parents expect us to fulfill that function (for ten times as many children at once) as well as our educational responsibilities. You’ve made it clear you see us as babysitters with the added responsibilities of paperwork, administrative duties, curriculum planning, writing legal documents, test prep, and more-not even including the actual instructional time with our students. The expectation is that we will work for as many hours each day as this takes, as we are not permitted to so much as open our computers while the kids are in the room. I am no longer willing to do that. If our jobs require hours of unpaid labor each day, that is a systemic problem. I am not going to fix the system through martyrdom. I think you’re going to find far fewer people willing to do so after this year. It is not unprofessional to expect to be paid for our labor.

I also want to address the other poster who thinks teaching textbooks address childcare. That is absolutely untrue. Teachers study developmental reading, learning disabilities and research based strategies to mitigate their impact on student learning, childhood development and psychology, behavioral disorders and management, and methods of instruction for social studies, science, and mathematics. They write research papers and conduct field studies and complete certification exams and portfolios (see the edTPA). You’ve made it very clear that you have absolutely no idea what teaching involves.

So no, I absolutely will not go out of my way to spend my own money or work outside my contract hours again. I’ve seen the way teachers are vilified and trashed by parents and politicians. I will show up and do my job, and then I’ll go home and my prioritize my own family. I suggest you do the same.

Actually, I do know that because I have a PhD in education and am involved in teacher training in a department of Curriculum and Instruction. I don't know where you went to school, but it wasn't worth the money, and I have no idea how on earth you've gotten this far without having to write a teaching philosophy. If your program only went over the "how" of education and not the "why," I have no idea how you would select an appropriate philosophy. Have you honestly never read anything like...Friere?

oh she got burned

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have to say, as a teacher I am no longer bothered by people insisting school is childcare. Fine! I’m not going to spend my own money on supplies for my childcare job. I’m not going to bother putting together Donors Choose projects for babysitting supplies. I’m certainly not going to come home stressing about providing daycare or planning for the next day. If the kids are occupied and alive, then I’ve done my job as a childcare provider.
I’ve cut way back on my planning elaborate lessons. I don’t grade outside of my contract hours. My off time is my own. I’m fine putting the district provided resources in front of the kids, even if I previously thought they were confusing or inadequate. It’s childcare-I’ve done my job.

I hope you realize how completely unprofessional you sound. Particularly if you’re an elementary school teacher, providing care for children has always been *part* of your job. The bigger issue is why you think that fact demeans everything else you do.

I’ve been a nanny before. I didn’t go to grad school to continue nannying. I taught during the day, went to school at night, and put in twelve hour days between planning, my own school work and class time, certification, and all my professional responsibilities as a full time special education teacher. I paid thousands of dollars and put in countless hours. The reality is that I made more money nannying part time than I did as a first year teacher. As a nanny, I was expected to provide childcare, period. As a teacher, parents expect us to fulfill that function (for ten times as many children at once) as well as our educational responsibilities. You’ve made it clear you see us as babysitters with the added responsibilities of paperwork, administrative duties, curriculum planning, writing legal documents, test prep, and more-not even including the actual instructional time with our students. The expectation is that we will work for as many hours each day as this takes, as we are not permitted to so much as open our computers while the kids are in the room. I am no longer willing to do that. If our jobs require hours of unpaid labor each day, that is a systemic problem. I am not going to fix the system through martyrdom. I think you’re going to find far fewer people willing to do so after this year. It is not unprofessional to expect to be paid for our labor.

I also want to address the other poster who thinks teaching textbooks address childcare. That is absolutely untrue. Teachers study developmental reading, learning disabilities and research based strategies to mitigate their impact on student learning, childhood development and psychology, behavioral disorders and management, and methods of instruction for social studies, science, and mathematics. They write research papers and conduct field studies and complete certification exams and portfolios (see the edTPA). You’ve made it very clear that you have absolutely no idea what teaching involves.

So no, I absolutely will not go out of my way to spend my own money or work outside my contract hours again. I’ve seen the way teachers are vilified and trashed by parents and politicians. I will show up and do my job, and then I’ll go home and my prioritize my own family. I suggest you do the same.

Actually, I do know that because I have a PhD in education and am involved in teacher training in a department of Curriculum and Instruction. I don't know where you went to school, but it wasn't worth the money, and I have no idea how on earth you've gotten this far without having to write a teaching philosophy. If your program only went over the "how" of education and not the "why," I have no idea how you would select an appropriate philosophy. Have you honestly never read anything like...Friere?

...what are you talking about? When did I ever say anything about writing (or not writing) a teaching philosophy? You think that teachers get into the profession so they can provide parents with childcare, and that should be part of this personal teaching philosophy? It’s bizarre that you’re talking about critical pedagogy, and totally irrelevant to the conversation.
You do sound like someone who doesn’t teach but has an awful lot of opinions about it. It must be relaxing to sit back and philosophize about something you wouldn’t deign to do.

[Anonymous]

Hanover County has gone 5 days/week all year. It’s worked beautifully.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have to say, as a teacher I am no longer bothered by people insisting school is childcare. Fine! I’m not going to spend my own money on supplies for my childcare job. I’m not going to bother putting together Donors Choose projects for babysitting supplies. I’m certainly not going to come home stressing about providing daycare or planning for the next day. If the kids are occupied and alive, then I’ve done my job as a childcare provider.
I’ve cut way back on my planning elaborate lessons. I don’t grade outside of my contract hours. My off time is my own. I’m fine putting the district provided resources in front of the kids, even if I previously thought they were confusing or inadequate. It’s childcare-I’ve done my job.

I hope you realize how completely unprofessional you sound. Particularly if you’re an elementary school teacher, providing care for children has always been *part* of your job. The bigger issue is why you think that fact demeans everything else you do.

I’ve been a nanny before. I didn’t go to grad school to continue nannying. I taught during the day, went to school at night, and put in twelve hour days between planning, my own school work and class time, certification, and all my professional responsibilities as a full time special education teacher. I paid thousands of dollars and put in countless hours. The reality is that I made more money nannying part time than I did as a first year teacher. As a nanny, I was expected to provide childcare, period. As a teacher, parents expect us to fulfill that function (for ten times as many children at once) as well as our educational responsibilities. You’ve made it clear you see us as babysitters with the added responsibilities of paperwork, administrative duties, curriculum planning, writing legal documents, test prep, and more-not even including the actual instructional time with our students. The expectation is that we will work for as many hours each day as this takes, as we are not permitted to so much as open our computers while the kids are in the room. I am no longer willing to do that. If our jobs require hours of unpaid labor each day, that is a systemic problem. I am not going to fix the system through martyrdom. I think you’re going to find far fewer people willing to do so after this year. It is not unprofessional to expect to be paid for our labor.

I also want to address the other poster who thinks teaching textbooks address childcare. That is absolutely untrue. Teachers study developmental reading, learning disabilities and research based strategies to mitigate their impact on student learning, childhood development and psychology, behavioral disorders and management, and methods of instruction for social studies, science, and mathematics. They write research papers and conduct field studies and complete certification exams and portfolios (see the edTPA). You’ve made it very clear that you have absolutely no idea what teaching involves.

So no, I absolutely will not go out of my way to spend my own money or work outside my contract hours again. I’ve seen the way teachers are vilified and trashed by parents and politicians. I will show up and do my job, and then I’ll go home and my prioritize my own family. I suggest you do the same.

Actually, I do know that because I have a PhD in education and am involved in teacher training in a department of Curriculum and Instruction. I don't know where you went to school, but it wasn't worth the money, and I have no idea how on earth you've gotten this far without having to write a teaching philosophy. If your program only went over the "how" of education and not the "why," I have no idea how you would select an appropriate philosophy. Have you honestly never read anything like...Friere?

...what are you talking about? When did I ever say anything about writing (or not writing) a teaching philosophy? You think that teachers get into the profession so they can provide parents with childcare, and that should be part of this personal teaching philosophy? It’s bizarre that you’re talking about critical pedagogy, and totally irrelevant to the conversation.
You do sound like someone who doesn’t teach but has an awful lot of opinions about it. It must be relaxing to sit back and philosophize about something you wouldn’t deign to do.

oh i love it when teachers pretend they know more than experts. its the most delicious irony.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have to say, as a teacher I am no longer bothered by people insisting school is childcare. Fine! I’m not going to spend my own money on supplies for my childcare job. I’m not going to bother putting together Donors Choose projects for babysitting supplies. I’m certainly not going to come home stressing about providing daycare or planning for the next day. If the kids are occupied and alive, then I’ve done my job as a childcare provider.
I’ve cut way back on my planning elaborate lessons. I don’t grade outside of my contract hours. My off time is my own. I’m fine putting the district provided resources in front of the kids, even if I previously thought they were confusing or inadequate. It’s childcare-I’ve done my job.

I hope you realize how completely unprofessional you sound. Particularly if you’re an elementary school teacher, providing care for children has always been *part* of your job. The bigger issue is why you think that fact demeans everything else you do.

I’ve been a nanny before. I didn’t go to grad school to continue nannying. I taught during the day, went to school at night, and put in twelve hour days between planning, my own school work and class time, certification, and all my professional responsibilities as a full time special education teacher. I paid thousands of dollars and put in countless hours. The reality is that I made more money nannying part time than I did as a first year teacher. As a nanny, I was expected to provide childcare, period. As a teacher, parents expect us to fulfill that function (for ten times as many children at once) as well as our educational responsibilities. You’ve made it clear you see us as babysitters with the added responsibilities of paperwork, administrative duties, curriculum planning, writing legal documents, test prep, and more-not even including the actual instructional time with our students. The expectation is that we will work for as many hours each day as this takes, as we are not permitted to so much as open our computers while the kids are in the room. I am no longer willing to do that. If our jobs require hours of unpaid labor each day, that is a systemic problem. I am not going to fix the system through martyrdom. I think you’re going to find far fewer people willing to do so after this year. It is not unprofessional to expect to be paid for our labor.

I also want to address the other poster who thinks teaching textbooks address childcare. That is absolutely untrue. Teachers study developmental reading, learning disabilities and research based strategies to mitigate their impact on student learning, childhood development and psychology, behavioral disorders and management, and methods of instruction for social studies, science, and mathematics. They write research papers and conduct field studies and complete certification exams and portfolios (see the edTPA). You’ve made it very clear that you have absolutely no idea what teaching involves.

So no, I absolutely will not go out of my way to spend my own money or work outside my contract hours again. I’ve seen the way teachers are vilified and trashed by parents and politicians. I will show up and do my job, and then I’ll go home and my prioritize my own family. I suggest you do the same.

Actually, I do know that because I have a PhD in education and am involved in teacher training in a department of Curriculum and Instruction. I don't know where you went to school, but it wasn't worth the money, and I have no idea how on earth you've gotten this far without having to write a teaching philosophy. If your program only went over the "how" of education and not the "why," I have no idea how you would select an appropriate philosophy. Have you honestly never read anything like...Friere?

...what are you talking about? When did I ever say anything about writing (or not writing) a teaching philosophy? You think that teachers get into the profession so they can provide parents with childcare, and that should be part of this personal teaching philosophy? It’s bizarre that you’re talking about critical pedagogy, and totally irrelevant to the conversation.
You do sound like someone who doesn’t teach but has an awful lot of opinions about it. It must be relaxing to sit back and philosophize about something you wouldn’t deign to do.

like you apparently never once considered the social roles of schooling. that's some 101 stuff. i guess this is what happens when you get your degree from the university of phoenix.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have to say, as a teacher I am no longer bothered by people insisting school is childcare. Fine! I’m not going to spend my own money on supplies for my childcare job. I’m not going to bother putting together Donors Choose projects for babysitting supplies. I’m certainly not going to come home stressing about providing daycare or planning for the next day. If the kids are occupied and alive, then I’ve done my job as a childcare provider.
I’ve cut way back on my planning elaborate lessons. I don’t grade outside of my contract hours. My off time is my own. I’m fine putting the district provided resources in front of the kids, even if I previously thought they were confusing or inadequate. It’s childcare-I’ve done my job.

I hope you realize how completely unprofessional you sound. Particularly if you’re an elementary school teacher, providing care for children has always been *part* of your job. The bigger issue is why you think that fact demeans everything else you do.

I’ve been a nanny before. I didn’t go to grad school to continue nannying. I taught during the day, went to school at night, and put in twelve hour days between planning, my own school work and class time, certification, and all my professional responsibilities as a full time special education teacher. I paid thousands of dollars and put in countless hours. The reality is that I made more money nannying part time than I did as a first year teacher. As a nanny, I was expected to provide childcare, period. As a teacher, parents expect us to fulfill that function (for ten times as many children at once) as well as our educational responsibilities. You’ve made it clear you see us as babysitters with the added responsibilities of paperwork, administrative duties, curriculum planning, writing legal documents, test prep, and more-not even including the actual instructional time with our students. The expectation is that we will work for as many hours each day as this takes, as we are not permitted to so much as open our computers while the kids are in the room. I am no longer willing to do that. If our jobs require hours of unpaid labor each day, that is a systemic problem. I am not going to fix the system through martyrdom. I think you’re going to find far fewer people willing to do so after this year. It is not unprofessional to expect to be paid for our labor.

I also want to address the other poster who thinks teaching textbooks address childcare. That is absolutely untrue. Teachers study developmental reading, learning disabilities and research based strategies to mitigate their impact on student learning, childhood development and psychology, behavioral disorders and management, and methods of instruction for social studies, science, and mathematics. They write research papers and conduct field studies and complete certification exams and portfolios (see the edTPA). You’ve made it very clear that you have absolutely no idea what teaching involves.

So no, I absolutely will not go out of my way to spend my own money or work outside my contract hours again. I’ve seen the way teachers are vilified and trashed by parents and politicians. I will show up and do my job, and then I’ll go home and my prioritize my own family. I suggest you do the same.

Actually, I do know that because I have a PhD in education and am involved in teacher training in a department of Curriculum and Instruction. I don't know where you went to school, but it wasn't worth the money, and I have no idea how on earth you've gotten this far without having to write a teaching philosophy. If your program only went over the "how" of education and not the "why," I have no idea how you would select an appropriate philosophy. Have you honestly never read anything like...Friere?

...what are you talking about? When did I ever say anything about writing (or not writing) a teaching philosophy? You think that teachers get into the profession so they can provide parents with childcare, and that should be part of this personal teaching philosophy? It’s bizarre that you’re talking about critical pedagogy, and totally irrelevant to the conversation.
You do sound like someone who doesn’t teach but has an awful lot of opinions about it. It must be relaxing to sit back and philosophize about something you wouldn’t deign to do.

like you apparently never once considered the social roles of schooling. that's some 101 stuff. i guess this is what happens when you get your degree from the university of phoenix.

You have made zero coherent points. The only thing you’ve pointed out, unintentionally, is that the “experts” who create educational policy should never have allowed for profit colleges to scam immigrants and vulnerable working class people into debt for worthless degrees. You added nothing to that conversation, which is sad for a self proclaimed expert who must have so much valuable insight for the rest of us! You know, like how to use capitalization in a sentence.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is the most selfish, irresponsible reason for keeping schools closed or staying distance learning.

Because you are privileged and lucky - or maybe your kids are awkward socially and prefer not to interact - is not a good reason that thousands of children should get a subpar education. Many are left alone all day long because their parents have to work. Most children whose parents don't have the resources for tutors and extra help are not learning a thing. Children are gaining weight and getting depressed from not leaving their houses all day - not everyone has a park or a big backyard they can go to.

So at least on this board, can we agree that just because you prefer it, it doesn't make it better?

Kids should not get subpar education in any circumstance. Those who think that subpar education is happening because of remote learning are delusional. My kids are not getting subpar education. Their teachers are doing great (Montgomery County) and I am very appreciative of how they are going above and beyond. The school that my kids go to is the top school in Maryland.

If your kids are getting a subpar education then I can assure you that it is because of several things that existed before pandemic and remote learning -
- Your kid is not the best student and learner. They were always lagging behind and had knowledge gaps
- You are a negligent parent who was using the school as a babysitter and only are waking up now when the onus is on you
- Your teacher was subpar and did not care about being organized and consistent
- Your district had bad curriculum and academic standards but only your PTA leaders were fighting for these issues. The rest of the parents were complicit and lazy ass.

I am thinking that the majority of you are "ALL OF THE ABOVE"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have to say, as a teacher I am no longer bothered by people insisting school is childcare. Fine! I’m not going to spend my own money on supplies for my childcare job. I’m not going to bother putting together Donors Choose projects for babysitting supplies. I’m certainly not going to come home stressing about providing daycare or planning for the next day. If the kids are occupied and alive, then I’ve done my job as a childcare provider.
I’ve cut way back on my planning elaborate lessons. I don’t grade outside of my contract hours. My off time is my own. I’m fine putting the district provided resources in front of the kids, even if I previously thought they were confusing or inadequate. It’s childcare-I’ve done my job.

I hope you realize how completely unprofessional you sound. Particularly if you’re an elementary school teacher, providing care for children has always been *part* of your job. The bigger issue is why you think that fact demeans everything else you do.

I’ve been a nanny before. I didn’t go to grad school to continue nannying. I taught during the day, went to school at night, and put in twelve hour days between planning, my own school work and class time, certification, and all my professional responsibilities as a full time special education teacher. I paid thousands of dollars and put in countless hours. The reality is that I made more money nannying part time than I did as a first year teacher. As a nanny, I was expected to provide childcare, period. As a teacher, parents expect us to fulfill that function (for ten times as many children at once) as well as our educational responsibilities. You’ve made it clear you see us as babysitters with the added responsibilities of paperwork, administrative duties, curriculum planning, writing legal documents, test prep, and more-not even including the actual instructional time with our students. The expectation is that we will work for as many hours each day as this takes, as we are not permitted to so much as open our computers while the kids are in the room. I am no longer willing to do that. If our jobs require hours of unpaid labor each day, that is a systemic problem. I am not going to fix the system through martyrdom. I think you’re going to find far fewer people willing to do so after this year. It is not unprofessional to expect to be paid for our labor.

I also want to address the other poster who thinks teaching textbooks address childcare. That is absolutely untrue. Teachers study developmental reading, learning disabilities and research based strategies to mitigate their impact on student learning, childhood development and psychology, behavioral disorders and management, and methods of instruction for social studies, science, and mathematics. They write research papers and conduct field studies and complete certification exams and portfolios (see the edTPA). You’ve made it very clear that you have absolutely no idea what teaching involves.

So no, I absolutely will not go out of my way to spend my own money or work outside my contract hours again. I’ve seen the way teachers are vilified and trashed by parents and politicians. I will show up and do my job, and then I’ll go home and my prioritize my own family. I suggest you do the same.

Actually, I do know that because I have a PhD in education and am involved in teacher training in a department of Curriculum and Instruction. I don't know where you went to school, but it wasn't worth the money, and I have no idea how on earth you've gotten this far without having to write a teaching philosophy. If your program only went over the "how" of education and not the "why," I have no idea how you would select an appropriate philosophy. Have you honestly never read anything like...Friere?

...what are you talking about? When did I ever say anything about writing (or not writing) a teaching philosophy? You think that teachers get into the profession so they can provide parents with childcare, and that should be part of this personal teaching philosophy? It’s bizarre that you’re talking about critical pedagogy, and totally irrelevant to the conversation.
You do sound like someone who doesn’t teach but has an awful lot of opinions about it. It must be relaxing to sit back and philosophize about something you wouldn’t deign to do.

like you apparently never once considered the social roles of schooling. that's some 101 stuff. i guess this is what happens when you get your degree from the university of phoenix.

You have made zero coherent points. The only thing you’ve pointed out, unintentionally, is that the “experts” who create educational policy should never have allowed for profit colleges to scam immigrants and vulnerable working class people into debt for worthless degrees. You added nothing to that conversation, which is sad for a self proclaimed expert who must have so much valuable insight for the rest of us! You know, like how to use capitalization in a sentence.

The point was clearly that teacher should know that ONE of the purposes of public schooling is childcare. Whether or not teachers like it is beside the point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is the most selfish, irresponsible reason for keeping schools closed or staying distance learning.

Because you are privileged and lucky - or maybe your kids are awkward socially and prefer not to interact - is not a good reason that thousands of children should get a subpar education. Many are left alone all day long because their parents have to work. Most children whose parents don't have the resources for tutors and extra help are not learning a thing. Children are gaining weight and getting depressed from not leaving their houses all day - not everyone has a park or a big backyard they can go to.

So at least on this board, can we agree that just because you prefer it, it doesn't make it better?

Kids should not get subpar education in any circumstance. Those who think that subpar education is happening because of remote learning are delusional. My kids are not getting subpar education. Their teachers are doing great (Montgomery County) and I am very appreciative of how they are going above and beyond. The school that my kids go to is the top school in Maryland.

If your kids are getting a subpar education then I can assure you that it is because of several things that existed before pandemic and remote learning -
- Your kid is not the best student and learner. They were always lagging behind and had knowledge gaps
- You are a negligent parent who was using the school as a babysitter and only are waking up now when the onus is on you
- Your teacher was subpar and did not care about being organized and consistent
- Your district had bad curriculum and academic standards but only your PTA leaders were fighting for these issues. The rest of the parents were complicit and lazy ass.

I am thinking that the majority of you are "ALL OF THE ABOVE"

It is KNOWN that in person education is superior for the majority of kids. This is the reason that in-person is the default. I challenge you to find any peer-reviewed research which suggests that DL provides a superior education for general K-12 education purposes.

Yes, your child might be doing alright. But, hopefully you can use your imagination to realize that many are not. And you seem to be implying that if a kid is not "the best" student and learner that it's their fault. No. An adequate education is the right of all children, whether or not they're in the top fifth percentile. And you bring up the fact that parents may be negligent if they can't supervise and supplement their kid's education sufficiently. I hope you realize this is a classist and racist argument. Frankly there are plenty of kids of low-wage essential workers who do not have the time to do this. There are parents who themselves have not received an education sufficient to supplement. There are parents who have been neglected by the school system or who cannot adequately communicate as a result of language barriers.

And finally, there are some kids with negligent parents. Those kids are entitled to an adequate education anyway. They are not at fault. How selfish of you to think otherwise.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is the most selfish, irresponsible reason for keeping schools closed or staying distance learning.

Because you are privileged and lucky - or maybe your kids are awkward socially and prefer not to interact - is not a good reason that thousands of children should get a subpar education. Many are left alone all day long because their parents have to work. Most children whose parents don't have the resources for tutors and extra help are not learning a thing. Children are gaining weight and getting depressed from not leaving their houses all day - not everyone has a park or a big backyard they can go to.

So at least on this board, can we agree that just because you prefer it, it doesn't make it better?

Kids should not get subpar education in any circumstance. Those who think that subpar education is happening because of remote learning are delusional. My kids are not getting subpar education. Their teachers are doing great (Montgomery County) and I am very appreciative of how they are going above and beyond. The school that my kids go to is the top school in Maryland.

If your kids are getting a subpar education then I can assure you that it is because of several things that existed before pandemic and remote learning -
- Your kid is not the best student and learner. They were always lagging behind and had knowledge gaps
- You are a negligent parent who was using the school as a babysitter and only are waking up now when the onus is on you
- Your teacher was subpar and did not care about being organized and consistent
- Your district had bad curriculum and academic standards but only your PTA leaders were fighting for these issues. The rest of the parents were complicit and lazy ass.

I am thinking that the majority of you are "ALL OF THE ABOVE"

It is KNOWN that in person education is superior for the majority of kids. This is the reason that in-person is the default. I challenge you to find any peer-reviewed research which suggests that DL provides a superior education for general K-12 education purposes.

Yes, your child might be doing alright. But, hopefully you can use your imagination to realize that many are not. And you seem to be implying that if a kid is not "the best" student and learner that it's their fault. No. An adequate education is the right of all children, whether or not they're in the top fifth percentile. And you bring up the fact that parents may be negligent if they can't supervise and supplement their kid's education sufficiently. I hope you realize this is a classist and racist argument. Frankly there are plenty of kids of low-wage essential workers who do not have the time to do this. There are parents who themselves have not received an education sufficient to supplement. There are parents who have been neglected by the school system or who cannot adequately communicate as a result of language barriers.

And finally, there are some kids with negligent parents. Those kids are entitled to an adequate education anyway. They are not at fault. How selfish of you to think otherwise.

+100000. This post is so on point.

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Anonymous wrote:I have to say, as a teacher I am no longer bothered by people insisting school is childcare. Fine! I’m not going to spend my own money on supplies for my childcare job. I’m not going to bother putting together Donors Choose projects for babysitting supplies. I’m certainly not going to come home stressing about providing daycare or planning for the next day. If the kids are occupied and alive, then I’ve done my job as a childcare provider.
I’ve cut way back on my planning elaborate lessons. I don’t grade outside of my contract hours. My off time is my own. I’m fine putting the district provided resources in front of the kids, even if I previously thought they were confusing or inadequate. It’s childcare-I’ve done my job.

I hope you realize how completely unprofessional you sound. Particularly if you’re an elementary school teacher, providing care for children has always been *part* of your job. The bigger issue is why you think that fact demeans everything else you do.

I’ve been a nanny before. I didn’t go to grad school to continue nannying. I taught during the day, went to school at night, and put in twelve hour days between planning, my own school work and class time, certification, and all my professional responsibilities as a full time special education teacher. I paid thousands of dollars and put in countless hours. The reality is that I made more money nannying part time than I did as a first year teacher. As a nanny, I was expected to provide childcare, period. As a teacher, parents expect us to fulfill that function (for ten times as many children at once) as well as our educational responsibilities. You’ve made it clear you see us as babysitters with the added responsibilities of paperwork, administrative duties, curriculum planning, writing legal documents, test prep, and more-not even including the actual instructional time with our students. The expectation is that we will work for as many hours each day as this takes, as we are not permitted to so much as open our computers while the kids are in the room. I am no longer willing to do that. If our jobs require hours of unpaid labor each day, that is a systemic problem. I am not going to fix the system through martyrdom. I think you’re going to find far fewer people willing to do so after this year. It is not unprofessional to expect to be paid for our labor.

I also want to address the other poster who thinks teaching textbooks address childcare. That is absolutely untrue. Teachers study developmental reading, learning disabilities and research based strategies to mitigate their impact on student learning, childhood development and psychology, behavioral disorders and management, and methods of instruction for social studies, science, and mathematics. They write research papers and conduct field studies and complete certification exams and portfolios (see the edTPA). You’ve made it very clear that you have absolutely no idea what teaching involves.

So no, I absolutely will not go out of my way to spend my own money or work outside my contract hours again. I’ve seen the way teachers are vilified and trashed by parents and politicians. I will show up and do my job, and then I’ll go home and my prioritize my own family. I suggest you do the same.

Actually, I do know that because I have a PhD in education and am involved in teacher training in a department of Curriculum and Instruction. I don't know where you went to school, but it wasn't worth the money, and I have no idea how on earth you've gotten this far without having to write a teaching philosophy. If your program only went over the "how" of education and not the "why," I have no idea how you would select an appropriate philosophy. Have you honestly never read anything like...Friere?

...what are you talking about? When did I ever say anything about writing (or not writing) a teaching philosophy? You think that teachers get into the profession so they can provide parents with childcare, and that should be part of this personal teaching philosophy? It’s bizarre that you’re talking about critical pedagogy, and totally irrelevant to the conversation.
You do sound like someone who doesn’t teach but has an awful lot of opinions about it. It must be relaxing to sit back and philosophize about something you wouldn’t deign to do.

like you apparently never once considered the social roles of schooling. that's some 101 stuff. i guess this is what happens when you get your degree from the university of phoenix.

You have made zero coherent points. The only thing you’ve pointed out, unintentionally, is that the “experts” who create educational policy should never have allowed for profit colleges to scam immigrants and vulnerable working class people into debt for worthless degrees. You added nothing to that conversation, which is sad for a self proclaimed expert who must have so much valuable insight for the rest of us! You know, like how to use capitalization in a sentence.

DP: I write for a living. I also don't write on here like I would write a grant. Don't be a prescriptivist. It's juvenile.

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Anonymous wrote:Is the most selfish, irresponsible reason for keeping schools closed or staying distance learning.

Because you are privileged and lucky - or maybe your kids are awkward socially and prefer not to interact - is not a good reason that thousands of children should get a subpar education. Many are left alone all day long because their parents have to work. Most children whose parents don't have the resources for tutors and extra help are not learning a thing. Children are gaining weight and getting depressed from not leaving their houses all day - not everyone has a park or a big backyard they can go to.

So at least on this board, can we agree that just because you prefer it, it doesn't make it better?

Kids should not get subpar education in any circumstance. Those who think that subpar education is happening because of remote learning are delusional. My kids are not getting subpar education. Their teachers are doing great (Montgomery County) and I am very appreciative of how they are going above and beyond. The school that my kids go to is the top school in Maryland.

If your kids are getting a subpar education then I can assure you that it is because of several things that existed before pandemic and remote learning -
- Your kid is not the best student and learner. They were always lagging behind and had knowledge gaps
- You are a negligent parent who was using the school as a babysitter and only are waking up now when the onus is on you
- Your teacher was subpar and did not care about being organized and consistent
- Your district had bad curriculum and academic standards but only your PTA leaders were fighting for these issues. The rest of the parents were complicit and lazy ass.

I am thinking that the majority of you are "ALL OF THE ABOVE"

whew peak classism