My kids are more comfortable at home

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Anonymous wrote:I have to say, as a teacher I am no longer bothered by people insisting school is childcare. Fine! I’m not going to spend my own money on supplies for my childcare job. I’m not going to bother putting together Donors Choose projects for babysitting supplies. I’m certainly not going to come home stressing about providing daycare or planning for the next day. If the kids are occupied and alive, then I’ve done my job as a childcare provider.
I’ve cut way back on my planning elaborate lessons. I don’t grade outside of my contract hours. My off time is my own. I’m fine putting the district provided resources in front of the kids, even if I previously thought they were confusing or inadequate. It’s childcare-I’ve done my job.

I hope you realize how completely unprofessional you sound. Particularly if you’re an elementary school teacher, providing care for children has always been *part* of your job. The bigger issue is why you think that fact demeans everything else you do.

I’ve been a nanny before. I didn’t go to grad school to continue nannying. I taught during the day, went to school at night, and put in twelve hour days between planning, my own school work and class time, certification, and all my professional responsibilities as a full time special education teacher. I paid thousands of dollars and put in countless hours. The reality is that I made more money nannying part time than I did as a first year teacher. As a nanny, I was expected to provide childcare, period. As a teacher, parents expect us to fulfill that function (for ten times as many children at once) as well as our educational responsibilities. You’ve made it clear you see us as babysitters with the added responsibilities of paperwork, administrative duties, curriculum planning, writing legal documents, test prep, and more-not even including the actual instructional time with our students. The expectation is that we will work for as many hours each day as this takes, as we are not permitted to so much as open our computers while the kids are in the room. I am no longer willing to do that. If our jobs require hours of unpaid labor each day, that is a systemic problem. I am not going to fix the system through martyrdom. I think you’re going to find far fewer people willing to do so after this year. It is not unprofessional to expect to be paid for our labor.

I also want to address the other poster who thinks teaching textbooks address childcare. That is absolutely untrue. Teachers study developmental reading, learning disabilities and research based strategies to mitigate their impact on student learning, childhood development and psychology, behavioral disorders and management, and methods of instruction for social studies, science, and mathematics. They write research papers and conduct field studies and complete certification exams and portfolios (see the edTPA). You’ve made it very clear that you have absolutely no idea what teaching involves.

So no, I absolutely will not go out of my way to spend my own money or work outside my contract hours again. I’ve seen the way teachers are vilified and trashed by parents and politicians. I will show up and do my job, and then I’ll go home and my prioritize my own family. I suggest you do the same.

Actually, I do know that because I have a PhD in education and am involved in teacher training in a department of Curriculum and Instruction. I don't know where you went to school, but it wasn't worth the money, and I have no idea how on earth you've gotten this far without having to write a teaching philosophy. If your program only went over the "how" of education and not the "why," I have no idea how you would select an appropriate philosophy. Have you honestly never read anything like...Friere?

...what are you talking about? When did I ever say anything about writing (or not writing) a teaching philosophy? You think that teachers get into the profession so they can provide parents with childcare, and that should be part of this personal teaching philosophy? It’s bizarre that you’re talking about critical pedagogy, and totally irrelevant to the conversation.
You do sound like someone who doesn’t teach but has an awful lot of opinions about it. It must be relaxing to sit back and philosophize about something you wouldn’t deign to do.

like you apparently never once considered the social roles of schooling. that's some 101 stuff. i guess this is what happens when you get your degree from the university of phoenix.

You have made zero coherent points. The only thing you’ve pointed out, unintentionally, is that the “experts” who create educational policy should never have allowed for profit colleges to scam immigrants and vulnerable working class people into debt for worthless degrees. You added nothing to that conversation, which is sad for a self proclaimed expert who must have so much valuable insight for the rest of us! You know, like how to use capitalization in a sentence.

i'm a different person from above, but clearly you wouldn't have been able to understand that. it's also weird that you talk about deliberate capitalization choices when you don't even know when to use a hyphen. also you seemed to completely misunderstand the dig about u of phoenix. i am suggesting that this person's understanding of the role of schooling is at the level of someone who went to a for-profit for school. obviously i have no idea where they went, but if they went to a half decent school, they must have been one of those grad students with a solid B average.

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What elementary school only has 300 kids?!?!?

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Anonymous wrote:I have to say, as a teacher I am no longer bothered by people insisting school is childcare. Fine! I’m not going to spend my own money on supplies for my childcare job. I’m not going to bother putting together Donors Choose projects for babysitting supplies. I’m certainly not going to come home stressing about providing daycare or planning for the next day. If the kids are occupied and alive, then I’ve done my job as a childcare provider.
I’ve cut way back on my planning elaborate lessons. I don’t grade outside of my contract hours. My off time is my own. I’m fine putting the district provided resources in front of the kids, even if I previously thought they were confusing or inadequate. It’s childcare-I’ve done my job.

I hope you realize how completely unprofessional you sound. Particularly if you’re an elementary school teacher, providing care for children has always been *part* of your job. The bigger issue is why you think that fact demeans everything else you do.

I’ve been a nanny before. I didn’t go to grad school to continue nannying. I taught during the day, went to school at night, and put in twelve hour days between planning, my own school work and class time, certification, and all my professional responsibilities as a full time special education teacher. I paid thousands of dollars and put in countless hours. The reality is that I made more money nannying part time than I did as a first year teacher. As a nanny, I was expected to provide childcare, period. As a teacher, parents expect us to fulfill that function (for ten times as many children at once) as well as our educational responsibilities. You’ve made it clear you see us as babysitters with the added responsibilities of paperwork, administrative duties, curriculum planning, writing legal documents, test prep, and more-not even including the actual instructional time with our students. The expectation is that we will work for as many hours each day as this takes, as we are not permitted to so much as open our computers while the kids are in the room. I am no longer willing to do that. If our jobs require hours of unpaid labor each day, that is a systemic problem. I am not going to fix the system through martyrdom. I think you’re going to find far fewer people willing to do so after this year. It is not unprofessional to expect to be paid for our labor.

I also want to address the other poster who thinks teaching textbooks address childcare. That is absolutely untrue. Teachers study developmental reading, learning disabilities and research based strategies to mitigate their impact on student learning, childhood development and psychology, behavioral disorders and management, and methods of instruction for social studies, science, and mathematics. They write research papers and conduct field studies and complete certification exams and portfolios (see the edTPA). You’ve made it very clear that you have absolutely no idea what teaching involves.

So no, I absolutely will not go out of my way to spend my own money or work outside my contract hours again. I’ve seen the way teachers are vilified and trashed by parents and politicians. I will show up and do my job, and then I’ll go home and my prioritize my own family. I suggest you do the same.

Actually, I do know that because I have a PhD in education and am involved in teacher training in a department of Curriculum and Instruction. I don't know where you went to school, but it wasn't worth the money, and I have no idea how on earth you've gotten this far without having to write a teaching philosophy. If your program only went over the "how" of education and not the "why," I have no idea how you would select an appropriate philosophy. Have you honestly never read anything like...Friere?

...what are you talking about? When did I ever say anything about writing (or not writing) a teaching philosophy? You think that teachers get into the profession so they can provide parents with childcare, and that should be part of this personal teaching philosophy? It’s bizarre that you’re talking about critical pedagogy, and totally irrelevant to the conversation.
You do sound like someone who doesn’t teach but has an awful lot of opinions about it. It must be relaxing to sit back and philosophize about something you wouldn’t deign to do.

like you apparently never once considered the social roles of schooling. that's some 101 stuff. i guess this is what happens when you get your degree from the university of phoenix.

You have made zero coherent points. The only thing you’ve pointed out, unintentionally, is that the “experts” who create educational policy should never have allowed for profit colleges to scam immigrants and vulnerable working class people into debt for worthless degrees. You added nothing to that conversation, which is sad for a self proclaimed expert who must have so much valuable insight for the rest of us! You know, like how to use capitalization in a sentence.

i'm a different person from above, but clearly you wouldn't have been able to understand that. it's also weird that you talk about deliberate capitalization choices when you don't even know when to use a hyphen. also you seemed to completely misunderstand the dig about u of phoenix. i am suggesting that this person's understanding of the role of schooling is at the level of someone who went to a for-profit for school. obviously i have no idea where they went, but if they went to a half decent school, they must have been one of those grad students with a solid B average.

There's no sense in reasoning with her. She probably went to a poorly-run M.Ed program and has an over-inflated sense of her self-worth. She's critical of faculty in Curriculum and Instruction who actually did research and led her program. It's pretty clear that she's just mad that someone with more expertise said that schooling is in fact childcare, among other things.

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Anonymous wrote:I have to say, as a teacher I am no longer bothered by people insisting school is childcare. Fine! I’m not going to spend my own money on supplies for my childcare job. I’m not going to bother putting together Donors Choose projects for babysitting supplies. I’m certainly not going to come home stressing about providing daycare or planning for the next day. If the kids are occupied and alive, then I’ve done my job as a childcare provider.
I’ve cut way back on my planning elaborate lessons. I don’t grade outside of my contract hours. My off time is my own. I’m fine putting the district provided resources in front of the kids, even if I previously thought they were confusing or inadequate. It’s childcare-I’ve done my job.

I hope you realize how completely unprofessional you sound. Particularly if you’re an elementary school teacher, providing care for children has always been *part* of your job. The bigger issue is why you think that fact demeans everything else you do.

I’ve been a nanny before. I didn’t go to grad school to continue nannying. I taught during the day, went to school at night, and put in twelve hour days between planning, my own school work and class time, certification, and all my professional responsibilities as a full time special education teacher. I paid thousands of dollars and put in countless hours. The reality is that I made more money nannying part time than I did as a first year teacher. As a nanny, I was expected to provide childcare, period. As a teacher, parents expect us to fulfill that function (for ten times as many children at once) as well as our educational responsibilities. You’ve made it clear you see us as babysitters with the added responsibilities of paperwork, administrative duties, curriculum planning, writing legal documents, test prep, and more-not even including the actual instructional time with our students. The expectation is that we will work for as many hours each day as this takes, as we are not permitted to so much as open our computers while the kids are in the room. I am no longer willing to do that. If our jobs require hours of unpaid labor each day, that is a systemic problem. I am not going to fix the system through martyrdom. I think you’re going to find far fewer people willing to do so after this year. It is not unprofessional to expect to be paid for our labor.

I also want to address the other poster who thinks teaching textbooks address childcare. That is absolutely untrue. Teachers study developmental reading, learning disabilities and research based strategies to mitigate their impact on student learning, childhood development and psychology, behavioral disorders and management, and methods of instruction for social studies, science, and mathematics. They write research papers and conduct field studies and complete certification exams and portfolios (see the edTPA). You’ve made it very clear that you have absolutely no idea what teaching involves.

So no, I absolutely will not go out of my way to spend my own money or work outside my contract hours again. I’ve seen the way teachers are vilified and trashed by parents and politicians. I will show up and do my job, and then I’ll go home and my prioritize my own family. I suggest you do the same.

Actually, I do know that because I have a PhD in education and am involved in teacher training in a department of Curriculum and Instruction. I don't know where you went to school, but it wasn't worth the money, and I have no idea how on earth you've gotten this far without having to write a teaching philosophy. If your program only went over the "how" of education and not the "why," I have no idea how you would select an appropriate philosophy. Have you honestly never read anything like...Friere?

...what are you talking about? When did I ever say anything about writing (or not writing) a teaching philosophy? You think that teachers get into the profession so they can provide parents with childcare, and that should be part of this personal teaching philosophy? It’s bizarre that you’re talking about critical pedagogy, and totally irrelevant to the conversation.
You do sound like someone who doesn’t teach but has an awful lot of opinions about it. It must be relaxing to sit back and philosophize about something you wouldn’t deign to do.

like you apparently never once considered the social roles of schooling. that's some 101 stuff. i guess this is what happens when you get your degree from the university of phoenix.

You have made zero coherent points. The only thing you’ve pointed out, unintentionally, is that the “experts” who create educational policy should never have allowed for profit colleges to scam immigrants and vulnerable working class people into debt for worthless degrees. You added nothing to that conversation, which is sad for a self proclaimed expert who must have so much valuable insight for the rest of us! You know, like how to use capitalization in a sentence.

i'm a different person from above, but clearly you wouldn't have been able to understand that. it's also weird that you talk about deliberate capitalization choices when you don't even know when to use a hyphen. also you seemed to completely misunderstand the dig about u of phoenix. i am suggesting that this person's understanding of the role of schooling is at the level of someone who went to a for-profit for school. obviously i have no idea where they went, but if they went to a half decent school, they must have been one of those grad students with a solid B average.

There's no sense in reasoning with her. She probably went to a poorly-run M.Ed program and has an over-inflated sense of her self-worth. She's critical of faculty in Curriculum and Instruction who actually did research and led her program. It's pretty clear that she's just mad that someone with more expertise said that schooling is in fact childcare, among other things.

That’s funny. That poster literally dropped the name of a single person, claimed to have a PhD, and failed to make an argument at all. You want childcare so you’re pretending she added anything of substance to the conversation.

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Anonymous wrote:I have to say, as a teacher I am no longer bothered by people insisting school is childcare. Fine! I’m not going to spend my own money on supplies for my childcare job. I’m not going to bother putting together Donors Choose projects for babysitting supplies. I’m certainly not going to come home stressing about providing daycare or planning for the next day. If the kids are occupied and alive, then I’ve done my job as a childcare provider.
I’ve cut way back on my planning elaborate lessons. I don’t grade outside of my contract hours. My off time is my own. I’m fine putting the district provided resources in front of the kids, even if I previously thought they were confusing or inadequate. It’s childcare-I’ve done my job.

I hope you realize how completely unprofessional you sound. Particularly if you’re an elementary school teacher, providing care for children has always been *part* of your job. The bigger issue is why you think that fact demeans everything else you do.

I’ve been a nanny before. I didn’t go to grad school to continue nannying. I taught during the day, went to school at night, and put in twelve hour days between planning, my own school work and class time, certification, and all my professional responsibilities as a full time special education teacher. I paid thousands of dollars and put in countless hours. The reality is that I made more money nannying part time than I did as a first year teacher. As a nanny, I was expected to provide childcare, period. As a teacher, parents expect us to fulfill that function (for ten times as many children at once) as well as our educational responsibilities. You’ve made it clear you see us as babysitters with the added responsibilities of paperwork, administrative duties, curriculum planning, writing legal documents, test prep, and more-not even including the actual instructional time with our students. The expectation is that we will work for as many hours each day as this takes, as we are not permitted to so much as open our computers while the kids are in the room. I am no longer willing to do that. If our jobs require hours of unpaid labor each day, that is a systemic problem. I am not going to fix the system through martyrdom. I think you’re going to find far fewer people willing to do so after this year. It is not unprofessional to expect to be paid for our labor.

I also want to address the other poster who thinks teaching textbooks address childcare. That is absolutely untrue. Teachers study developmental reading, learning disabilities and research based strategies to mitigate their impact on student learning, childhood development and psychology, behavioral disorders and management, and methods of instruction for social studies, science, and mathematics. They write research papers and conduct field studies and complete certification exams and portfolios (see the edTPA). You’ve made it very clear that you have absolutely no idea what teaching involves.

So no, I absolutely will not go out of my way to spend my own money or work outside my contract hours again. I’ve seen the way teachers are vilified and trashed by parents and politicians. I will show up and do my job, and then I’ll go home and my prioritize my own family. I suggest you do the same.

Actually, I do know that because I have a PhD in education and am involved in teacher training in a department of Curriculum and Instruction. I don't know where you went to school, but it wasn't worth the money, and I have no idea how on earth you've gotten this far without having to write a teaching philosophy. If your program only went over the "how" of education and not the "why," I have no idea how you would select an appropriate philosophy. Have you honestly never read anything like...Friere?

...what are you talking about? When did I ever say anything about writing (or not writing) a teaching philosophy? You think that teachers get into the profession so they can provide parents with childcare, and that should be part of this personal teaching philosophy? It’s bizarre that you’re talking about critical pedagogy, and totally irrelevant to the conversation.
You do sound like someone who doesn’t teach but has an awful lot of opinions about it. It must be relaxing to sit back and philosophize about something you wouldn’t deign to do.

like you apparently never once considered the social roles of schooling. that's some 101 stuff. i guess this is what happens when you get your degree from the university of phoenix.

You have made zero coherent points. The only thing you’ve pointed out, unintentionally, is that the “experts” who create educational policy should never have allowed for profit colleges to scam immigrants and vulnerable working class people into debt for worthless degrees. You added nothing to that conversation, which is sad for a self proclaimed expert who must have so much valuable insight for the rest of us! You know, like how to use capitalization in a sentence.

i'm a different person from above, but clearly you wouldn't have been able to understand that. it's also weird that you talk about deliberate capitalization choices when you don't even know when to use a hyphen. also you seemed to completely misunderstand the dig about u of phoenix. i am suggesting that this person's understanding of the role of schooling is at the level of someone who went to a for-profit for school. obviously i have no idea where they went, but if they went to a half decent school, they must have been one of those grad students with a solid B average.

There's no sense in reasoning with her. She probably went to a poorly-run M.Ed program and has an over-inflated sense of her self-worth. She's critical of faculty in Curriculum and Instruction who actually did research and led her program. It's pretty clear that she's just mad that someone with more expertise said that schooling is in fact childcare, among other things.

That’s funny. That poster literally dropped the name of a single person, claimed to have a PhD, and failed to make an argument at all. You want childcare so you’re pretending she added anything of substance to the conversation.

What a waste of time. Everyone who has been in an education program should know the purposes of education.

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Anonymous wrote:Is the most selfish, irresponsible reason for keeping schools closed or staying distance learning.

Because you are privileged and lucky - or maybe your kids are awkward socially and prefer not to interact - is not a good reason that thousands of children should get a subpar education. Many are left alone all day long because their parents have to work. Most children whose parents don't have the resources for tutors and extra help are not learning a thing. Children are gaining weight and getting depressed from not leaving their houses all day - not everyone has a park or a big backyard they can go to.

So at least on this board, can we agree that just because you prefer it, it doesn't make it better?

It is better for us compared to the jail they are fixing to go to, but then the jail experience is a must I guess.

Definitely agree that way too many children have suffered greatly.