Will the WTU illegally strike? Not return on 2/1

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Anonymous wrote:So disgusted with teachers. There aren’t words. My job has been in person the whole pandemic. Meanwhile, the only things my first grader has learned have come from me teaching after work. For shame. Shame!

And we are disgusted with parents like you. Shame! Shame!

Huh? You don't make any sense.

NP. They make perfect sense. These idiotic wails of "I've worked in person the whole time!" are absurd. If your job absolutely, positively, 100% cannot be done in person (inpatient nurse, postal worker, surgeon, etc), then you should be in person. Otherwise, if your employer treats you like crap and forces you to be in person when you could be at home during a pandemic, that's not a good thing or something to be emulated.

People who can work from home (and yes, teachers CAN and ARE and will continue to work from home) should do so until vaccination is prevalent or case rates drop dramatically. You can scream all you want, but that's what will happen.

Teachers cannot do the work at home. To think that is laughable.

This is very true.

[Anonymous]

I’m really just curious.

If DCPS’ virtual learning is so completely useless, why are you having your children log into live sessions everyday? It’s pretty obvious you think they are getting something from it. It’s not perfect of course nor is it ideal, but it’s a pandemic and we are all just trying to keep ourselves and our families alive.

[Anonymous]

Oh good. This thread is now talking about how DL is not working and neither are teachers. LIKE EVERY SINGLE OTHER THREAD

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Anonymous wrote:So disgusted with teachers. There aren’t words. My job has been in person the whole pandemic. Meanwhile, the only things my first grader has learned have come from me teaching after work. For shame. Shame!

And we are disgusted with parents like you. Shame! Shame!

Huh? You don't make any sense.

NP. They make perfect sense. These idiotic wails of "I've worked in person the whole time!" are absurd. If your job absolutely, positively, 100% cannot be done in person (inpatient nurse, postal worker, surgeon, etc), then you should be in person. Otherwise, if your employer treats you like crap and forces you to be in person when you could be at home during a pandemic, that's not a good thing or something to be emulated.

People who can work from home (and yes, teachers CAN and ARE and will continue to work from home) should do so until vaccination is prevalent or case rates drop dramatically. You can scream all you want, but that's what will happen.

But you're NOT doing all of your teacher job from home; parents are doing a large portion of it for you.

The idiotic wails of “we ARE doing our job, you just may not like it” are what have really pushed me into the “WTF teachers” camp. Can you all just not admit that you are not doing 100% of your job right now? I totally understand why schools closed back in March, but now, many schools have adapted and made teaching in person safe.

Teachers seem to want it all - work from home, free childcare for THEIR children, and to be first in line for the vaccine. Most people didn’t get any one of those things, let alone all three.

Exactly! And then having the nerve to shout down the parents as somehow Trumpers and shame them?? You have lost touch with reality.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m really just curious.

If DCPS’ virtual learning is so completely useless, why are you having your children log into live sessions everyday? It’s pretty obvious you think they are getting something from it. It’s not perfect of course nor is it ideal, but it’s a pandemic and we are all just trying to keep ourselves and our families alive.

Just because it’s better than nothing doesn’t mean it’s sufficient or sustainable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m really just curious.

If DCPS’ virtual learning is so completely useless, why are you having your children log into live sessions everyday? It’s pretty obvious you think they are getting something from it. It’s not perfect of course nor is it ideal, but it’s a pandemic and we are all just trying to keep ourselves and our families alive.

Parents are arguing it’s not as effective as in person, not that for every kid it’s totally useless. But for many lower elementary, online learning is ineffective. Does that mean it’s better to have nothing at all? No. But there are lots of aspects of teaching they are lost via online learning. And it has been a year of this, so it’s time to adapt a bit and try to get some kids back in the classroom.

- teacher who knows online learning is not as effective as in person

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So disgusted with teachers. There aren’t words. My job has been in person the whole pandemic. Meanwhile, the only things my first grader has learned have come from me teaching after work. For shame. Shame!

And we are disgusted with parents like you. Shame! Shame!

Huh? You don't make any sense.

NP. They make perfect sense. These idiotic wails of "I've worked in person the whole time!" are absurd. If your job absolutely, positively, 100% cannot be done in person (inpatient nurse, postal worker, surgeon, etc), then you should be in person. Otherwise, if your employer treats you like crap and forces you to be in person when you could be at home during a pandemic, that's not a good thing or something to be emulated.

People who can work from home (and yes, teachers CAN and ARE and will continue to work from home) should do so until vaccination is prevalent or case rates drop dramatically. You can scream all you want, but that's what will happen.

But you're NOT doing all of your teacher job from home; parents are doing a large portion of it for you.

The idiotic wails of “we ARE doing our job, you just may not like it” are what have really pushed me into the “WTF teachers” camp. Can you all just not admit that you are not doing 100% of your job right now? I totally understand why schools closed back in March, but now, many schools have adapted and made teaching in person safe.

Teachers seem to want it all - work from home, free childcare for THEIR children, and to be first in line for the vaccine. Most people didn’t get any one of those things, let alone all three.

This. We're waaaaay past the point when schools should have reopened.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m really just curious.

If DCPS’ virtual learning is so completely useless, why are you having your children log into live sessions everyday? It’s pretty obvious you think they are getting something from it. It’s not perfect of course nor is it ideal, but it’s a pandemic and we are all just trying to keep ourselves and our families alive.

Just because it’s better than nothing doesn’t mean it’s sufficient or sustainable.

For us, it’s actually worse than nothing. I make my kids log-in so they know what’s being covered and keep up curriculum-wise. But that logging in cones at a big cost.

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Anonymous wrote:DCPS teacher here. I took part in the original sick out because I didn't believe DCPS had a good plan or had made the buildings safe enough. I requested to stay virtual, but I always said I would go back in person if I had to.I just didn't want to volunteer for it if I had a chance to keep myself and my family safer. I have been called to go back in person and I have no problem doing so, especially now that in person teachers have been prioritized for the vaccine. I have heard about the safety precautions at my school in detail and I think it will be as safe as they can make it. The students who are coming back really need in person learning. If WTU calls for a sick out on Feb 1, I will not be participating. I think they should be focusing more on the actual logistics of school opening now and getting some protections in place around that, like with issues of teachers covering classes for other teachers, lunch and recess duty, planning time for teachers who are teaching both in person and virtual, etc. It's quite frustrating. We are going back. They are beating a dead horse and they need to focus on protecting teachers who must be there in person.

I’m glad you’re committed to going back now, but your actions in November really destroyed my trust in the school and my child’s teacher. And of course covid rates are much higher now. You thoughtlessly rejected going back when it was *actually* safer, and seriously damanges relationships with special needs parents like me. I really wanted my child to go back in November, but now I don’t trust or respect the teacher, so I’ll probably keep him home.

Love your sense of distrust for your kid's teacher and school, rather than the very district that made them feel unheard, unsafe, unprepared, etc. Your lack of understanding that teachers are not obligated to care about you and yours first is odd. I'm certain your child recovered from that ONE day the teacher missed. The sickout did not change DCPSs decision and any idiot knows they were not going to open, especially since there was MORE parent support then, especially in ward 7 & 8, most of whom are suffering way more than your child.

I took leave that day, however I did show up to my class that day too because I know how it would make some of my parents feel. However if I didn't show and they were to say on some random forum they lost respect and trust for me because of that day, I'd certainly lose respect and trust in them as well. You only care about your well being, this is a job. You don't even know if your teacher did want to come back with precautions.

PS. Many principals BLOCKED teachers from coming back term 1, saying it would be 'unfair' and DCPS itself said no. I know of at least 12 DCPS elementary schools that admin did this at.

wah wah wah.

That's why your kid isn;t going back

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So disgusted with teachers. There aren’t words. My job has been in person the whole pandemic. Meanwhile, the only things my first grader has learned have come from me teaching after work. For shame. Shame!

And we are disgusted with parents like you. Shame! Shame!

Huh? You don't make any sense.

NP. They make perfect sense. These idiotic wails of "I've worked in person the whole time!" are absurd. If your job absolutely, positively, 100% cannot be done in person (inpatient nurse, postal worker, surgeon, etc), then you should be in person. Otherwise, if your employer treats you like crap and forces you to be in person when you could be at home during a pandemic, that's not a good thing or something to be emulated.

People who can work from home (and yes, teachers CAN and ARE and will continue to work from home) should do so until vaccination is prevalent or case rates drop dramatically. You can scream all you want, but that's what will happen.

But you're NOT doing all of your teacher job from home; parents are doing a large portion of it for you.

The idiotic wails of “we ARE doing our job, you just may not like it” are what have really pushed me into the “WTF teachers” camp. Can you all just not admit that you are not doing 100% of your job right now? I totally understand why schools closed back in March, but now, many schools have adapted and made teaching in person safe.

Teachers seem to want it all - work from home, free childcare for THEIR children, and to be first in line for the vaccine. Most people didn’t get any one of those things, let alone all three.

This. We're waaaaay past the point when schools should have reopened.

No I want the bus I take to run so I don't have to spend $25 a day on lyft. All of you are yelling at teachers but have said nothing about other jobs that are running at a much, much lower capacity. But that doesn't matter to you because it has no impact on your life.

You're just as selfish as some teachers, how about you admit that?

[Anonymous]

I knew the “you’re getting the vaccines you’d better go back to school brigade”.

Suggestion for parents-Look at the grading policy for DCPS. Compare it to surrounding school systems. Who’s really failing your kids? Hint-It’s not the teachers. Virtual learning will be the least of your problems once you see how low the expectations are for your dear children.

[Anonymous]

I knew the “you’re getting the vaccines you’d better go back to school brigade” would show up. No problem there. They should go back if they have it.

Suggestion for parents-Look at the grading policy for DCPS. Compare it to surrounding school systems. Who’s really failing your kids? Hint-It’s not the teachers. Virtual learning will be the least of your problems once you see how low the expectations are for your dear children.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m really just curious.

If DCPS’ virtual learning is so completely useless, why are you having your children log into live sessions everyday? It’s pretty obvious you think they are getting something from it. It’s not perfect of course nor is it ideal, but it’s a pandemic and we are all just trying to keep ourselves and our families alive.

I mean, because it’s legally required unless I plan to home school? Because 25% of an education is better than nothing?

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OR we can all just

1. Calm TF down.
2. Give time for those who choose to vaccinate to vaccinate.
3. Focus on bringing ALL DCPS buildings up to standard.
4. Finish the year virtual and start planning for another model in the fall.
5. Focus on staying healthy and practicing safe sanitary practices.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, the union is preparing to strike.

Source??

Here are the facts, decide for yourself what you think will happen.

1. PERB rules in favor of the WTU, end of October, from the original complaint for violation of the contract, filed in July. DCPS forced to negotiate with WTU (this was a major F-up of DCPS BTW, they had July-Oct to work with union.)
2. DCPS has to abandon early November opening because of PERB ruling, WTU strikes/sick-outs and bizarrely considers it a win.
3. Nov - Now; DCPS kicks all the planning to each school, abandons the staffing survey (cause they had to) which gave teachers a lot of flexibility; WTU plans to sign MOA and then backtracks multiples times until it's filed; asks Elissa Silverman to sponsor a bill (which she does) that is ultimately withdrawn; WTU heavily lobbies city council (now the whole cause the Ed committee has been disbanded); WTU consistently messages its members unsafe, unsafe, unsafe, unsafe so much that who would expect anything other than certain death if returning to school.
4. 1/19 WTU files emergency complaint with PERB to calling for immediate arbitration for what sounds like violations of MOA; arbitration will probably happen next week.

If arbitration rules in favor of DCPS and there is no legal injunction forcing DCPS to change course, what do you think will happen? If you don't believe the back-up plan is a strike, I can't help you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:So disgusted with teachers. There aren’t words. My job has been in person the whole pandemic. Meanwhile, the only things my first grader has learned have come from me teaching after work. For shame. Shame!

And we are disgusted with parents like you. Shame! Shame!

Huh? You don't make any sense.

NP. They make perfect sense. These idiotic wails of "I've worked in person the whole time!" are absurd. If your job absolutely, positively, 100% cannot be done in person (inpatient nurse, postal worker, surgeon, etc), then you should be in person. Otherwise, if your employer treats you like crap and forces you to be in person when you could be at home during a pandemic, that's not a good thing or something to be emulated.

People who can work from home (and yes, teachers CAN and ARE and will continue to work from home) should do so until vaccination is prevalent or case rates drop dramatically. You can scream all you want, but that's what will happen.

Good to know that you are saying you are disgusted with someone who is likely an essential employee. Teachers are about as effective virtually as doctors are, which is to say... better than nothing but not very. Not every doctor is back, but many are and there are in person doctors for urgent care and emergencies. There is no school equivalent at the vast majority of schools. That’s the problem. Even the urgent and emergency cases are being shunted to the teledoc equivalent. A drop in literacy rates of 10-20% over 6 months is pretty clear proof that teleteaching is failing many.