Will the WTU illegally strike? Not return on 2/1

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our school is sending one in right after another. that makes no sense. we have air scrubbers or something.

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There’s a finite amount of teachers who can come in and teach, so for many schools (especially schools with high demand for seats) there probably won’t be more seats offered this year. Not enough teachers available.

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Easy solution. Make teacher vaccinations a priority and you will have plenty of teacher clambering to go back. We could all be back for Term 4.

DL has been awful for teachers, too.

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Anonymous wrote:If they strike I will never ever support teachers, the union again. This is insane. Over and over, the science shows that schools are not a place of spread. If my kids teacher doesnt show on monday, he will definitely here it from me.

But what will you really do about it? That's the rub. There's nothing parents can truly do to fight back.

Maybe consider asking why they would consider striking and possibly fight that hard to fix the problems at the school. I’m getting sick of all the anger and energy at teachers and Unions but absolutely no energy into having any idea what is actually the problem at these schools. Fight to fix the schools not to demonize people. Geez. Have you even schedule time to do walk throughs, do you have a pulse on what the problems are?

Fight to fix the HVAc! Fix the fact they had to contract out people instead of put a nurse in every school.

I think some of you all just want to be victims snd point at people to be bad guys but put no actual work in listening and fixing the very real
Problems (like mice) that exist in our schools.

why should I fight those things? I think you don’t get it - we don’t trust or respect the union, so we’re not about to rally around their demands.

So your hatred of the union supersedes your student having hot water or a working hvac system. Ok got it. Thanks

my complete lack of respect or faith in the union makes me believe that their demands are bullsh*t that have nothing to do with the interests of kids.

What job puts their clients needs before their own?

Usually it’s the market that aligns things so that meeting the clients needs happens through the need of the business to stay solvent. Obviously that doesn’t happen for public sector services that believe they are too insulated to feel any recourse, which is where we are right now. The question is whether this is an inflection point and changes the playing field for teachers in the future. Too soon to know, but WTU seems to be focused only on the immediate and could win a battle but lose the war

Most Black and Brown parents are on the WTU's side, whose losing the war besides privileged White families? They are making the most noise to reopen fully. And the mayor above all cares about the economy, as in green, not schools.

DP. If your kids will never catch up with their learning, as is likely for many Black and Brown kids, I'd say that qualifies as losing the war.

THIS x 1 million......

Like you give 1 crumb about that, do not act like you do. You don't care. You literally have no idea what you're even talking about, you seriously don't understand that systematic racism and white supremacy don't play a role in why black and brown kids are behind? Seriously? Sure covid will widen the gap a bit but the gap was firmly in place. The issues lie with not only DCPS but DC in general, the US in general. And I'll be candid here and say the issues lie with teachers too, how do you understand, support, help, and teach a student who has seen and/or gone through something beyond your scope of reference or training? How do you get parent buy in from parents who aren't thinking about education but basic needs or going through their own trauma?

Not a one of you have ever once posted on this forum advocating for more support of black and brown families until it was convenient for you to try and use the achievement gap to strengthen your argument about in person school. Even though black families especially are the most afraid. You may say it's irrational but your race wasn't the one experimented on in the past. Some people are very skeptical about the vaccine and how it appeared so quickly.

I don’t understand comments like the above. If a DCUM poster perceived as white/Ward 3/affluent/etc. appears to be only thinking of his/her own interest, you rail against that as selfish and not thinking of the whole community. If a poster expresses interest in or concern for the wider community, you claim it’s BS and that person doesn’t really care.

You seem to think the worst of everyone and determined to be divisive.

This poster constantly tries to make everything about race and "systematic" racism, constantly assuming every poster she's arguing with is white and affluent.

The problem, of course, is that it's completely irrelevant whether the PPs care or don't care about Black and Brown kids. Who cares if the PPs care? DCPS should, the WTU and its members should. Accusing posters presumed to be white of not really caring and of "using" the fact that DL is particularly devastating academically to poor minorities does not invalidate the fact that it is. Neither does the fact that systemic racism plays a role in the pre-existing achievement gap. To say that Covid will widen the gap "a bit" is a very optimistic description of what lies ahead.

Just being White is enough, you don't go through the same trauma or have to deal with white supremacy and systematic racism.

The issue is you only seem to care when it's convenient. We've been in DL for a year, and DCPS couldn't even send kids manipulatives or anything home to help.

And if I made it seem like I stand with the WTU or DCPS, that's incorrect. I do believe the WTU wants to help teachers but just promoting working remotely doesn't solve the issue. You're right that even though I think it will be small the achievement gap will widen.

To me, everyone is close to being as equally crappy. I just dislike it when people on this forum have a 180 and suddenly throw out words like they care. Zero action.

Oh please with the being white is enough guilt. Just because someone is white and doesn’t experience racism doesn’t mean they don’t care about black and brown kids. Your assertions are doing nothing to help further the cause of black and brown kids. It just drives away white families who go to their majority black and brown schools.

BTW you are wrong. The widening achievement gap won’t be small at all. It’s going to be huge and cancel a decade of progress. You would understand and know that if you are actively involved in the education system in DC

Lastly, no I’m not white.

I’m not white either

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[quote=Anonymous]Easy solution. Make teacher vaccinations a priority and you will have plenty of teacher clambering to go back. We could all be back for Term 4.

DL has been awful for teachers, too.[/quote]

No we can’t. What are the teachers with children of their own supposed to do? Most of them don’t live in DC and they remain eligible for FMLA, Cares Leave, etc

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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Easy solution. Make teacher vaccinations a priority and you will have plenty of teacher clambering to go back. We could all be back for Term 4.

DL has been awful for teachers, too.[/quote]

No we can’t. What are the teachers with children of their own supposed to do? Most of them don’t live in DC and they remain eligible for FMLA, Cares Leave, etc[/quote]

The answer for parents on this board who bring up this issue all year has been to hire childcare, you chose to have kids figure it out, etc. Lots of people are back at work in person and secured childcare for their DL kids. Teachers need to do the same. Or take leave.

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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Easy solution. Make teacher vaccinations a priority and you will have plenty of teacher clambering to go back. We could all be back for Term 4.

DL has been awful for teachers, too.[/quote]

No we can’t. What are the teachers with children of their own supposed to do? Most of them don’t live in DC and they remain eligible for FMLA, Cares Leave, etc[/quote]

The answer for parents on this board who bring up this issue all year has been to hire childcare, you chose to have kids figure it out, etc. Lots of people are back at work in person and secured childcare for their DL kids. Teachers need to do the same. Or take leave.[/quote]

I’ve been an essential worker this whole time. Zero people cared about by childcare. It’s clear that the teachers have abdicated all sense of civic duty. What if nurses did what teachers have done?!?

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Anonymous wrote:A quick question.

Those parents who want DCPS to open for term 4 for more students how is it going to be possible?

It may be possible at schools where the teacher has 11 kids in person and the rest online. But what about the schools, which I think are the majority whose class sizes when up?

Are you expecting in person teacher A to take on some of virtual teacher B's students?

If so what is the plan for social distancing? That's literally impossible with 24+ students.

FWIW, our principal said the in-person/DL split that goes into effect Monday will be the way things stand for the rest of the school year. There won't be any more kids let in for Term 4.

Your principal has no basis for saying that. S/he might be right in the end, but s/he doesn’t actually have any grounds for believing that if s/he’s DCPS. The Mayor herself has said its undecided.

He said that's what DCPS central office told him.

DP. Our principal didn’t say that exactly, but that’s the impression I have for our school as well. He said they only have a certain number of teachers that will come back in person, and they can only permit a certain number of students per class, and they can’t overwhelm the teachers who are continuing to do DL. And they can’t hire more teachers.

Our kid is on the waitlist for an in person slot, but I’m not optimistic.

Our principal is hoping to double in March. One of the real holdups is bathroom access. Only one kid is allowed in at a time and then it has to remain empty for 15 min according to OSSE.

Is there actually science demonstrating that going into a bathroom less than 15 minutes after another person is a COVID risk? It seems like OSSE is being super cautious, which I guess is good?

No, it's not good. It's not good to set guidelines not backed by science that make it impossible to provide essential services, such as in person school for all kids.

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Anonymous wrote:If they strike I will never ever support teachers, the union again. This is insane. Over and over, the science shows that schools are not a place of spread. If my kids teacher doesnt show on monday, he will definitely here it from me.

But what will you really do about it? That's the rub. There's nothing parents can truly do to fight back.

Maybe consider asking why they would consider striking and possibly fight that hard to fix the problems at the school. I’m getting sick of all the anger and energy at teachers and Unions but absolutely no energy into having any idea what is actually the problem at these schools. Fight to fix the schools not to demonize people. Geez. Have you even schedule time to do walk throughs, do you have a pulse on what the problems are?

Fight to fix the HVAc! Fix the fact they had to contract out people instead of put a nurse in every school.

I think some of you all just want to be victims snd point at people to be bad guys but put no actual work in listening and fixing the very real
Problems (like mice) that exist in our schools.

why should I fight those things? I think you don’t get it - we don’t trust or respect the union, so we’re not about to rally around their demands.

So your hatred of the union supersedes your student having hot water or a working hvac system. Ok got it. Thanks

my complete lack of respect or faith in the union makes me believe that their demands are bullsh*t that have nothing to do with the interests of kids.

What job puts their clients needs before their own?

Usually it’s the market that aligns things so that meeting the clients needs happens through the need of the business to stay solvent. Obviously that doesn’t happen for public sector services that believe they are too insulated to feel any recourse, which is where we are right now. The question is whether this is an inflection point and changes the playing field for teachers in the future. Too soon to know, but WTU seems to be focused only on the immediate and could win a battle but lose the war

Most Black and Brown parents are on the WTU's side, whose losing the war besides privileged White families? They are making the most noise to reopen fully. And the mayor above all cares about the economy, as in green, not schools.

DP. If your kids will never catch up with their learning, as is likely for many Black and Brown kids, I'd say that qualifies as losing the war.

THIS x 1 million......

Like you give 1 crumb about that, do not act like you do. You don't care. You literally have no idea what you're even talking about, you seriously don't understand that systematic racism and white supremacy don't play a role in why black and brown kids are behind? Seriously? Sure covid will widen the gap a bit but the gap was firmly in place. The issues lie with not only DCPS but DC in general, the US in general. And I'll be candid here and say the issues lie with teachers too, how do you understand, support, help, and teach a student who has seen and/or gone through something beyond your scope of reference or training? How do you get parent buy in from parents who aren't thinking about education but basic needs or going through their own trauma?

Not a one of you have ever once posted on this forum advocating for more support of black and brown families until it was convenient for you to try and use the achievement gap to strengthen your argument about in person school. Even though black families especially are the most afraid. You may say it's irrational but your race wasn't the one experimented on in the past. Some people are very skeptical about the vaccine and how it appeared so quickly.

I don’t understand comments like the above. If a DCUM poster perceived as white/Ward 3/affluent/etc. appears to be only thinking of his/her own interest, you rail against that as selfish and not thinking of the whole community. If a poster expresses interest in or concern for the wider community, you claim it’s BS and that person doesn’t really care.

You seem to think the worst of everyone and determined to be divisive.

This poster constantly tries to make everything about race and "systematic" racism, constantly assuming every poster she's arguing with is white and affluent.

The problem, of course, is that it's completely irrelevant whether the PPs care or don't care about Black and Brown kids. Who cares if the PPs care? DCPS should, the WTU and its members should. Accusing posters presumed to be white of not really caring and of "using" the fact that DL is particularly devastating academically to poor minorities does not invalidate the fact that it is. Neither does the fact that systemic racism plays a role in the pre-existing achievement gap. To say that Covid will widen the gap "a bit" is a very optimistic description of what lies ahead.

Just being White is enough, you don't go through the same trauma or have to deal with white supremacy and systematic racism.

The issue is you only seem to care when it's convenient. We've been in DL for a year, and DCPS couldn't even send kids manipulatives or anything home to help.

And if I made it seem like I stand with the WTU or DCPS, that's incorrect. I do believe the WTU wants to help teachers but just promoting working remotely doesn't solve the issue. You're right that even though I think it will be small the achievement gap will widen.

To me, everyone is close to being as equally crappy. I just dislike it when people on this forum have a 180 and suddenly throw out words like they care. Zero action.

Oh please with the being white is enough guilt. Just because someone is white and doesn’t experience racism doesn’t mean they don’t care about black and brown kids. Your assertions are doing nothing to help further the cause of black and brown kids. It just drives away white families who go to their majority black and brown schools.

BTW you are wrong. The widening achievement gap won’t be small at all. It’s going to be huge and cancel a decade of progress. You would understand and know that if you are actively involved in the education system in DC

Lastly, no I’m not white.

I’m not white either

Liar, liar. You're White, being Spanish still means White.