Is Arab American POC? Does it help for admissions?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:There are many Arabs who live in North Africa. So what you’re all really saying is that, despite one’s skin color, one can only be considered POC if they have sub-Saharan African or Native American ancestry.

Nope, I consider most Asians as well as Aborigines and Polynesians POC. But there are people who have lived in Asia for generations who are 100% European. They are not POC.

Wait what? So you’re administering a purity test around who gets to be considered Asian.

Dp.. omg.. you can't be serious.

There is a difference between nationality, race and ethnicity.

I am Asian American - nationality
I am Asian - race
I am Korean - ethnicity

So, even if a white person was born in Asian, that person is still racially not Asian.

I can't believe we keep having this conversation.

[Anonymous]

^sorry, that should read "I am American - nationality"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are many Arabs who live in North Africa. So what you’re all really saying is that, despite one’s skin color, one can only be considered POC if they have sub-Saharan African or Native American ancestry.

Nope, I consider most Asians as well as Aborigines and Polynesians POC. But there are people who have lived in Asia for generations who are 100% European. They are not POC.

Wait what? So you’re administering a purity test around who gets to be considered Asian.

Dp.. omg.. you can't be serious.

There is a difference between nationality, race and ethnicity.

I am Asian American - nationality
I am Asian - race
I am Korean - ethnicity

So, even if a white person was born in Asian, that person is still racially not Asian.

I can't believe we keep having this conversation.

So what percent Korean do you have to be to be considered Korean? Don’t you realize the problems with what you’re saying?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We'll see what happens when they are ready to apply to college. The benefits of checking a URM box are huge for admission.

And colleges don't chase down admitted to students to confirm racial background. They don't really care as long as they can report that they have a certain percentage of different demographics.

What you just typed is incorrect. Adcoms do care, and they have ways of knowing and experience. Guidance counselors communicate also. I am not saying no one ever successfully cheats, but it is somewhere between uncommon and extremely rare.

Also, the admitted kids eventually get to the campus and meet people you know. Like the admissions officers that admitted them. They’ll bounce a kid caught lying about this in a heartbeat.

You know this how? How many college students ever interface with the admissions office once they're on campus. You are plainly incorrect.

Among multiple examples we've seen, one family had multiple kids manipulate this system which, while technically legit, clearly violated the spirit of the policy and the college did not care.

[Anonymous]

If the college wants to boost their stats, it's how you mark the box, not what you write in the essay. They don't go reading each essay when generating their stats. The essay serves a different purpose, also beneficial though.

You need to look at the college. I'm half Asian and half White. I chose the race that worked best for me for each college, based on their stats. For example, Iowa State is 3.5% Asian so it's better to be Asian than white there: https://www.registrar.iastate.edu/sites/default/files/uploads/stats/minority/Fall%202020%20Multicultural%20reports.pdf

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are many Arabs who live in North Africa. So what you’re all really saying is that, despite one’s skin color, one can only be considered POC if they have sub-Saharan African or Native American ancestry.

Nope, I consider most Asians as well as Aborigines and Polynesians POC. But there are people who have lived in Asia for generations who are 100% European. They are not POC.

Wait what? So you’re administering a purity test around who gets to be considered Asian.

Dp.. omg.. you can't be serious.

There is a difference between nationality, race and ethnicity.

I am Asian American - nationality
I am Asian - race
I am Korean - ethnicity

So, even if a white person was born in Asian, that person is still racially not Asian.

I can't believe we keep having this conversation.

So what percent Korean do you have to be to be considered Korean? Don’t you realize the problems with what you’re saying?

no, I don't.

But since you asked.. I did a DNA test and found I'm 100% Korean.

BTW, my kids are 50% Korean and 50% some European. They say they are half of each because.. that's what they are.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:To what extent will a university verify the race of an applicant? Where do they draw the line? If you are 50% white and you identify as being white, can you select AA?

Some one who has one white parent and one black parent but identifies as white is unlikely to identify as AA for the purposes of applying to college. The mental gymnastic that person went through for 17 years...

You’d be surprised. Kids want to get into college. Being AA helps a lot with that especially around here. There are four 4.0, 1600 kids. Three are white. One identifies as white and looks white but has some black ancestry and puts black on the paper. Guess who gets in? Not making any moral judgement, it’s just the game.

You only think that because you don’t know any half-black kids who desperately want to be white. Unfortunately I do. They are not going to accept an AA designation mentally and socially just for college.

Well I know white kids who've identified as native american and hispanic to get in. The designation is just for the application. The college doesn't care what you do or like like once you're on campus. So i'm sure that half black kids have used their AA ancestry for their advantage, as they should.

Interesting that you think a half black kid would be traumatized over checking the AA box on an app.

No they shouldn't.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We'll see what happens when they are ready to apply to college. The benefits of checking a URM box are huge for admission.

And colleges don't chase down admitted to students to confirm racial background. They don't really care as long as they can report that they have a certain percentage of different demographics.

ehhh a lot of people are not as bright as they think they are. Social security checks and addresses says a lot about a person's background such as ethnicity, race, wealth ect.


I can't believe how dumb a lot of their responses are. The government very much tracks us.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are many Arabs who live in North Africa. So what you’re all really saying is that, despite one’s skin color, one can only be considered POC if they have sub-Saharan African or Native American ancestry.

Nope, I consider most Asians as well as Aborigines and Polynesians POC. But there are people who have lived in Asia for generations who are 100% European. They are not POC.

Wait what? So you’re administering a purity test around who gets to be considered Asian.

Dp.. omg.. you can't be serious.

There is a difference between nationality, race and ethnicity.

I am Asian American - nationality
I am Asian - race
I am Korean - ethnicity

So, even if a white person was born in Asian, that person is still racially not Asian.

I can't believe we keep having this conversation.

So what percent Korean do you have to be to be considered Korean? Don’t you realize the problems with what you’re saying?

no, I don't.

But since you asked.. I did a DNA test and found I'm 100% Korean.

BTW, my kids are 50% Korean and 50% some European. They say they are half of each because.. that's what they are.

My question stands: What % Korean do you need to be to be considered Korean?

[Anonymous]

Most half AA kids are simply treated as AA by US society. They aren’t unfairly taking advantage of anything.

[Anonymous]

Why should I a give a flying f*ck how racists on this board define what is a person of color. You’re all insane.

[Anonymous]

You can put down whatever race you identify as. If you identify as a POC, put down that you are POC or Black. The key word here is identify.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If the college wants to boost their stats, it's how you mark the box, not what you write in the essay. They don't go reading each essay when generating their stats. The essay serves a different purpose, also beneficial though.

You need to look at the college. I'm half Asian and half White. I chose the race that worked best for me for each college, based on their stats. For example, Iowa State is 3.5% Asian so it's better to be Asian than white there: https://www.registrar.iastate.edu/sites/default/files/uploads/stats/minority/Fall%202020%20Multicultural%20reports.pdf

If you lie on a college application, they can kick you out. If you lie on the FAFSA or financial aid documents, it is a Federal offense. I think there is a lot of bad information being given, and most people either do not know or do not care about the actual rules, but feigning ignorance is not a defense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We'll see what happens when they are ready to apply to college. The benefits of checking a URM box are huge for admission.

And colleges don't chase down admitted to students to confirm racial background. They don't really care as long as they can report that they have a certain percentage of different demographics.

What you just typed is incorrect. Adcoms do care, and they have ways of knowing and experience. Guidance counselors communicate also. I am not saying no one ever successfully cheats, but it is somewhere between uncommon and extremely rare.

Also, the admitted kids eventually get to the campus and meet people you know. Like the admissions officers that admitted them. They’ll bounce a kid caught lying about this in a heartbeat.

You know this how? How many college students ever interface with the admissions office once they're on campus. You are plainly incorrect.

Among multiple examples we've seen, one family had multiple kids manipulate this system which, while technically legit, clearly violated the spirit of the policy and the college did not care.

You absolutely do not know about college paperwork and records. First PP is correct. DP here. If you were to have been found to be lying on your college application, or on your records, you can absolutely be "bounced". You can not claim to be a minority because you feel like it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the college wants to boost their stats, it's how you mark the box, not what you write in the essay. They don't go reading each essay when generating their stats. The essay serves a different purpose, also beneficial though.

You need to look at the college. I'm half Asian and half White. I chose the race that worked best for me for each college, based on their stats. For example, Iowa State is 3.5% Asian so it's better to be Asian than white there: https://www.registrar.iastate.edu/sites/default/files/uploads/stats/minority/Fall%202020%20Multicultural%20reports.pdf

If you lie on a college application, they can kick you out. If you lie on the FAFSA or financial aid documents, it is a Federal offense. I think there is a lot of bad information being given, and most people either do not know or do not care about the actual rules, but feigning ignorance is not a defense.

How is it lying? I'm 50% Asian, and 50% White. Why can't I identify with either of those?