NCAA Recruiting

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Anonymous wrote:I would choose not paying for college every time as long as the academics were as strong.

ND vs JMU scenario

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Anonymous wrote:Scholarships can be increased. If money isn't available freshman year because of those fifth year seniors sticking around she can think of it as a year-long tryout to prove her worth for when that money frees up next year.

This is not a one year only thing. NCAA allows all current students an extra year of eligibility, so you could see some effects for the next 4 years. It could reduce incoming class sizes for up to 4 years. Players on the cusp of making a college squad may not get in at all.

You're misunderstanding what the players staying on a fifth year are tying up. The issue isn't the number of roster spots, it's the number of athletic scholarship dollars available. The coaches can still take the same number of incoming freshman, they just won't have as much athletic scholarship free up if scholarship players who were expected to leave choose to stay. If your kid had good priorities and a good GPA they'll get academic money instead of athletic to make up for it.

Either way, it's not a great situation. Less money, and less playing time than normal. And I don't see schools subsiding the lack of athletic money with academic money. The extra year of eligibility puts incoming freshmen who are on the cusp at a disadvantage, and it will last for years.

So, go to VT on a quarter or go to ODU on a full. What would you do?

Let's say the difference is 80,000 savings over 4 years.

What is the best-school-but-no-scholarship option, and what does she want to study?

Put.all that aside....i really want to hear what people have to say on this.......

Your kid, a very good player, gets an offer to play out of state at Notre Dame on a partial (25 percent) scholarship. Its your kids dream school. Your kid also has offers to play in-state at JMU, ODU and Mason on a full ride.

What would you want your kid to choose?

Notre dame for many reasons. Mason is a perfectly good school but if you can afford to send your kid to their dream school, and they can get in, you do it.

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Anonymous wrote:The CEO of Northrop Grumman is the same age as most of us parents on this board (born 1975) and she went to JMU for business as an undergrad. She made $20 million this year. That's a good enough tip of the spear for me.

Nice Unicorn but a vast majority of top CEOs came from Ivies.

But the question still remains regarding which is the best choice for your kid? The reality is it depends on the field of interest and the major. If your kid doesn't really know what they want to do or waffling between a couple majors then a large state University is probably best.

Getting a teaching degree? Same thing.

However, for kid with Grad school in mind for Law, Business, Medicine then the $120,000 piece of paper can be a difference maker in regards to the level of Graduate school.

But the reality is, for most kids, once they set foot on campus they tend to settle in and enjoy themselves. Some road mapping is obviously helpful but sometimes it is just as good to allow things to sort themselves out.

I interview and hire people professionally quite often and do not believe this to be true. Being a top notch student at a solid school is more attractive than being mediocre at many private schools, and there are tons of private schools (including a few ivies) that are not really competitive head to head with compelling candidates from state universities. Your undergrad degree in particular is increasingly irrelevant given the necessity of graduate or professional school for many top jobs and the many obvious reasons why extremely talented kids may not be able to find their way to Yale out of high school. Once the deck is reshuffled, first in grad school and then in the workplace, people realize that where you decide to go at 17 is not nearly as important as other factors that become evident as the candidate’s life progresses after college. People need to take a breath about all this. If your kid is not a shoo-in at MIT, CalTech or Harvard, but pretty solid as a candidate, they will do just fine going to UVA, W&M or even Mason.

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A kid from Mason or Longwood, with a degree in Computer Science, that can program Java, who goes to work for the government or military for 4 years and gets a top security clearance will have way more job prospects and make more money at 25+ than just about any liberal arts grad from any Ivy.

Anyone that disagrees does not understand the job market.

The school does not matter.

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Anonymous wrote:The CEO of Northrop Grumman is the same age as most of us parents on this board (born 1975) and she went to JMU for business as an undergrad. She made $20 million this year. That's a good enough tip of the spear for me.

Nice Unicorn but a vast majority of top CEOs came from Ivies.

But the question still remains regarding which is the best choice for your kid? The reality is it depends on the field of interest and the major. If your kid doesn't really know what they want to do or waffling between a couple majors then a large state University is probably best.

Getting a teaching degree? Same thing.

However, for kid with Grad school in mind for Law, Business, Medicine then the $120,000 piece of paper can be a difference maker in regards to the level of Graduate school.

But the reality is, for most kids, once they set foot on campus they tend to settle in and enjoy themselves. Some road mapping is obviously helpful but sometimes it is just as good to allow things to sort themselves out.

I interview and hire people professionally quite often and do not believe this to be true. Being a top notch student at a solid school is more attractive than being mediocre at many private schools, and there are tons of private schools (including a few ivies) that are not really competitive head to head with compelling candidates from state universities. Your undergrad degree in particular is increasingly irrelevant given the necessity of graduate or professional school for many top jobs and the many obvious reasons why extremely talented kids may not be able to find their way to Yale out of high school. Once the deck is reshuffled, first in grad school and then in the workplace, people realize that where you decide to go at 17 is not nearly as important as other factors that become evident as the candidate’s life progresses after college. People need to take a breath about all this. If your kid is not a shoo-in at MIT, CalTech or Harvard, but pretty solid as a candidate, they will do just fine going to UVA, W&M or even Mason.

At no point did I say the piece of paper made much of a difference for job beyond school internship opportunities. What I did say is the undergrad school does make a difference in the grad or professional school a student applies.

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Anonymous wrote:A kid from Mason or Longwood, with a degree in Computer Science, that can program Java, who goes to work for the government or military for 4 years and gets a top security clearance will have way more job prospects and make more money at 25+ than just about any liberal arts grad from any Ivy.

Anyone that disagrees does not understand the job market.

The school does not matter.

Dumb post. Apples and oranges.

MIT computer science graduate > George Mason

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Anonymous wrote:The CEO of Northrop Grumman is the same age as most of us parents on this board (born 1975) and she went to JMU for business as an undergrad. She made $20 million this year. That's a good enough tip of the spear for me.

Nice Unicorn but a vast majority of top CEOs came from Ivies.

But the question still remains regarding which is the best choice for your kid? The reality is it depends on the field of interest and the major. If your kid doesn't really know what they want to do or waffling between a couple majors then a large state University is probably best.

Getting a teaching degree? Same thing.

However, for kid with Grad school in mind for Law, Business, Medicine then the $120,000 piece of paper can be a difference maker in regards to the level of Graduate school.

But the reality is, for most kids, once they set foot on campus they tend to settle in and enjoy themselves. Some road mapping is obviously helpful but sometimes it is just as good to allow things to sort themselves out.

I interview and hire people professionally quite often and do not believe this to be true. Being a top notch student at a solid school is more attractive than being mediocre at many private schools, and there are tons of private schools (including a few ivies) that are not really competitive head to head with compelling candidates from state universities. Your undergrad degree in particular is increasingly irrelevant given the necessity of graduate or professional school for many top jobs and the many obvious reasons why extremely talented kids may not be able to find their way to Yale out of high school. Once the deck is reshuffled, first in grad school and then in the workplace, people realize that where you decide to go at 17 is not nearly as important as other factors that become evident as the candidate’s life progresses after college. People need to take a breath about all this. If your kid is not a shoo-in at MIT, CalTech or Harvard, but pretty solid as a candidate, they will do just fine going to UVA, W&M or even Mason.

At no point did I say the piece of paper made much of a difference for job beyond school internship opportunities. What I did say is the undergrad school does make a difference in the grad or professional school a student applies.

You're kidding yourself if you don't think the school makes a difference for getting employment early in your career. It makes a difference in the same way that playing for ECNL makes a difference in getting recruited to play soccer. You get the benefit of the doubt just by coming from there.

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Anonymous wrote:A kid from Mason or Longwood, with a degree in Computer Science, that can program Java, who goes to work for the government or military for 4 years and gets a top security clearance will have way more job prospects and make more money at 25+ than just about any liberal arts grad from any Ivy.

Anyone that disagrees does not understand the job market.

The school does not matter.

The name of the school on your diploma doesn't matter, but the connections and relationships you make at tops schools matter greatly at those top schools. Anyone who doesn't know this doesn't understand the world. Wealthy and elite parents send their kids to Ivy's for the social connections over the education. Take "Toxic Masculinity" class at Harvard is crap... the summer internships you'll easily get in NYC are the real deal. It's how the game is played. Enjoy state school and have a blast going but dont think you'll get that job over an Ivy grad. Life.

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Anonymous wrote:A kid from Mason or Longwood, with a degree in Computer Science, that can program Java, who goes to work for the government or military for 4 years and gets a top security clearance will have way more job prospects and make more money at 25+ than just about any liberal arts grad from any Ivy.

Anyone that disagrees does not understand the job market.

The school does not matter.

The name of the school on your diploma doesn't matter, but the connections and relationships you make at tops schools matter greatly at those top schools. Anyone who doesn't know this doesn't understand the world. Wealthy and elite parents send their kids to Ivy's for the social connections over the education. Take "Toxic Masculinity" class at Harvard is crap... the summer internships you'll easily get in NYC are the real deal. It's how the game is played. Enjoy state school and have a blast going but dont think you'll get that job over an Ivy grad. Life.

Nonsense. I hire in this environment. Ins and connections have no role to play. None. Businesses are too competitive for that to matter anymore. And get it through your head - Ivies are not necessarily regarded as top schools. It depends on what you study, what else you have done, and what kind of horsepower is under the hood. You are basing decisions on criteria that have not been valid for 20-30 years.

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Anonymous wrote:A kid from Mason or Longwood, with a degree in Computer Science, that can program Java, who goes to work for the government or military for 4 years and gets a top security clearance will have way more job prospects and make more money at 25+ than just about any liberal arts grad from any Ivy.

Anyone that disagrees does not understand the job market.

The school does not matter.

Dumb post. Apples and oranges.

MIT computer science graduate > George Mason

100% disagree. One of the worst programmers I ever worked with was a MIT CS grad. Brilliant guy but could not follow directions to get the work needed done. He would spend way to long to dive down a rabbit hole to research and fix some arcane issue. Never completed work on time. He was fired.

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Anonymous wrote:A kid from Mason or Longwood, with a degree in Computer Science, that can program Java, who goes to work for the government or military for 4 years and gets a top security clearance will have way more job prospects and make more money at 25+ than just about any liberal arts grad from any Ivy.

Anyone that disagrees does not understand the job market.

The school does not matter.

Dumb post. Apples and oranges.

MIT computer science graduate > George Mason

100% disagree. One of the worst programmers I ever worked with was a MIT CS grad. Brilliant guy but could not follow directions to get the work needed done. He would spend way to long to dive down a rabbit hole to research and fix some arcane issue. Never completed work on time. He was fired.

Well, certainly basing an entire University and their graduates based on one hire is a good way to go. LOL.

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NP. I’m getting whiplash going between this thread and those on the College and University forum. If you did a poll over there, I’d expect 99% of the posters would pick an Ivy or a 25% athletic scholarship at Notre Dame over a full ride at CMU, Mason, etc. if there was any possible way to swing the pricier and more highly rated school.

Of course, a lot of those posters also seem to believe that all athletes are stupid and that the admissions advantages athletic recruitment confers are an unsupportable outrage.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. I’m getting whiplash going between this thread and those on the College and University forum. If you did a poll over there, I’d expect 99% of the posters would pick an Ivy or a 25% athletic scholarship at Notre Dame over a full ride at CMU, Mason, etc. if there was any possible way to swing the pricier and more highly rated school.

Of course, a lot of those posters also seem to believe that all athletes are stupid and that the admissions advantages athletic recruitment confers are an unsupportable outrage.

Perhaps people would pick an Ivy, but I think most would pick a full ride in a good college over graduating from ND with a mountain of student debt.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. I’m getting whiplash going between this thread and those on the College and University forum. If you did a poll over there, I’d expect 99% of the posters would pick an Ivy or a 25% athletic scholarship at Notre Dame over a full ride at CMU, Mason, etc. if there was any possible way to swing the pricier and more highly rated school.

Of course, a lot of those posters also seem to believe that all athletes are stupid and that the admissions advantages athletic recruitment confers are an unsupportable outrage.

Perhaps people would pick an Ivy, but I think most would pick a full ride in a good college over graduating from ND with a mountain of student debt.

This is a soccer forum. Where does the level and quality of soccer factor in? It’s a big deal for my DD who also happens to get excellent grades and would be academically competitive at all of the above. If you’re looking at level and quality of SOCCER, then ND.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. I’m getting whiplash going between this thread and those on the College and University forum. If you did a poll over there, I’d expect 99% of the posters would pick an Ivy or a 25% athletic scholarship at Notre Dame over a full ride at CMU, Mason, etc. if there was any possible way to swing the pricier and more highly rated school.

Of course, a lot of those posters also seem to believe that all athletes are stupid and that the admissions advantages athletic recruitment confers are an unsupportable outrage.

Perhaps people would pick an Ivy, but I think most would pick a full ride in a good college over graduating from ND with a mountain of student debt.

This is a soccer forum. Where does the level and quality of soccer factor in? It’s a big deal for my DD who also happens to get excellent grades and would be academically competitive at all of the above. If you’re looking at level and quality of SOCCER, then ND.

A Virginia kid going to an out of state school will pay almost 4x that of a in-state student. So a 25 percent scholarship for academics and a 25 percent scholarship for athletics will not nearly go as far. Yes, ND is awesome. I would love for my kid to go there. However, a full ride to a lesser in-state program, both academically and athletically, where my kid can play and graduate debt free is the winner. Why? Because I agree with the poster who said that the degree is more important than the school.