TJHSST Admissions Revised Proposal to be sent on 10/6

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hmm... select 100 brightest kids among students with a desired experience score (ESL, from underrepresented middle schools, etc.) and ensure seats for them, the rest go by lottery. These 100 students are not the top achievers among everyone but the top achievers among the underrepresented applicants.

correct the overall student body is going to be less academically prepared or advanced than the top classes at most high schools. There is really no reason to go to TJ if this idiotic plan goes through

+1000.

[Anonymous]

Will the holistic review of top 100 students be race-blind? Otherwise, FCPS will pick the top 100 from URM. It’s all about race and politics. TJ will be doomed under the administration of stupid Brabrand.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The top 100 is not the top 100 as in the most gifted or intelligent. This reads as though it's 100 seats set aside where they can take into account socioeconomic factors and underrepresented middle schools etc. In other words, 100 seats set aside to make sure they can get more URMs in the class and take the luck of the lottery out of the equation when it comes to certain groups they want in the class.

Seems like it's both.

Sounds like they want to use the top 100 to catch the truly gifted students. Then they want to use the remaining top 100 to catch the most qualified URMs they can find to fix their numbers.

Says it right there on slide 14.

But you're right. This change is all about race.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Will the holistic review of top 100 students be race-blind? Otherwise, FCPS will pick the top 100 from URM. It’s all about race and politics. TJ will be doomed under the administration of stupid Brabrand.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The top 100 is not the top 100 as in the most gifted or intelligent. This reads as though it's 100 seats set aside where they can take into account socioeconomic factors and underrepresented middle schools etc. In other words, 100 seats set aside to make sure they can get more URMs in the class and take the luck of the lottery out of the equation when it comes to certain groups they want in the class.

Seems like it's both.

Sounds like they want to use the top 100 to catch the truly gifted students. Then they want to use the remaining top 100 to catch the most qualified URMs they can find to fix their numbers.

Says it right there on slide 14.

But you're right. This change is all about race.

Race isn’t one of the explicit factors used for the top 100, but they are using SES and underrepresented sending schools as a proxy for race.

They even mention that one of the pros of the new system is that it should admit more URMs. It’s clearly about race.

They will use the top 100 to make sure the geniuses get in and then use the rest to admit as many URMs as they can.

Then the lottery will ensure not too many Asians will get in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Will the holistic review of top 100 students be race-blind? Otherwise, FCPS will pick the top 100 from URM. It’s all about race and politics. TJ will be doomed under the administration of stupid Brabrand.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The top 100 is not the top 100 as in the most gifted or intelligent. This reads as though it's 100 seats set aside where they can take into account socioeconomic factors and underrepresented middle schools etc. In other words, 100 seats set aside to make sure they can get more URMs in the class and take the luck of the lottery out of the equation when it comes to certain groups they want in the class.

Seems like it's both.

Sounds like they want to use the top 100 to catch the truly gifted students. Then they want to use the remaining top 100 to catch the most qualified URMs they can find to fix their numbers.

Says it right there on slide 14.

But you're right. This change is all about race.

Race isn’t one of the explicit factors used for the top 100, but they are using SES and underrepresented sending schools as a proxy for race.

They even mention that one of the pros of the new system is that it should admit more URMs. It’s clearly about race.

They will use the top 100 to make sure the geniuses get in and then use the rest to admit as many URMs as they can.

Then the lottery will ensure not too many Asians will get in.

[Anonymous]

Who the f is atif qari and why does this idiot have so much power in thisstate

He should be recalled/fired

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Who the f is atif qari and why does this idiot have so much power in thisstate

He should be recalled/fired

He is Northam’s appointed Secretary of Education and, in that role, sucks up to blacks, Hispanics and prog whites whose support Democrats depend on while telling Asians to give up their dreams and stop working hard.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who the f is atif qari and why does this idiot have so much power in thisstate

He should be recalled/fired

He is Northam’s appointed Secretary of Education and, in that role, sucks up to blacks, Hispanics and prog whites whose support Democrats depend on while telling Asians to give up their dreams and stop working hard.

He should inflict damage at some other school district.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Will the holistic review of top 100 students be race-blind? Otherwise, FCPS will pick the top 100 from URM. It’s all about race and politics. TJ will be doomed under the administration of stupid Brabrand.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The top 100 is not the top 100 as in the most gifted or intelligent. This reads as though it's 100 seats set aside where they can take into account socioeconomic factors and underrepresented middle schools etc. In other words, 100 seats set aside to make sure they can get more URMs in the class and take the luck of the lottery out of the equation when it comes to certain groups they want in the class.

Seems like it's both.

Sounds like they want to use the top 100 to catch the truly gifted students. Then they want to use the remaining top 100 to catch the most qualified URMs they can find to fix their numbers.

Says it right there on slide 14.

But you're right. This change is all about race.

Race isn’t one of the explicit factors used for the top 100, but they are using SES and underrepresented sending schools as a proxy for race.

They even mention that one of the pros of the new system is that it should admit more URMs. It’s clearly about race.

They will use the top 100 to make sure the geniuses get in and then use the rest to admit as many URMs as they can.

Then the lottery will ensure not too many Asians will get in.

There's nothing wrong in principle with making sure that underserved students are properly served, and making sure that admissions tests which dubiously measure merit do a better job of measuring merit. The notion that elite intellect is color-blind and that it's the school system's responsibility to reflect the fact is a legitimate and noble one. It's no secret that capable URMs would be reticent to take part in elite programs if they feel like they're the "only ones" there.

However, I don't think the answer is to go away from the direction of STEM merit-based measures, and to accuse those who endorse them as being racist and entitled. We won't know racism and entitlement until we start seeing the kids of school board members and politicians getting holistically admitted into a watered-down TJ and AAP because of the college admissions boost and intellectual authority it's nevertheless still able to summon, while the Asian-Americans, Eastern Europeans immigrants, and 99-percenter nerds who used to view those spots as a bastion of fairness would begin to wallow unchallenged and academically underserved, while routinely facing discrimination for being "different."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Will the holistic review of top 100 students be race-blind? Otherwise, FCPS will pick the top 100 from URM. It’s all about race and politics. TJ will be doomed under the administration of stupid Brabrand.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The top 100 is not the top 100 as in the most gifted or intelligent. This reads as though it's 100 seats set aside where they can take into account socioeconomic factors and underrepresented middle schools etc. In other words, 100 seats set aside to make sure they can get more URMs in the class and take the luck of the lottery out of the equation when it comes to certain groups they want in the class.

Seems like it's both.

Sounds like they want to use the top 100 to catch the truly gifted students. Then they want to use the remaining top 100 to catch the most qualified URMs they can find to fix their numbers.

Says it right there on slide 14.

But you're right. This change is all about race.

Race isn’t one of the explicit factors used for the top 100, but they are using SES and underrepresented sending schools as a proxy for race.

They even mention that one of the pros of the new system is that it should admit more URMs. It’s clearly about race.

They will use the top 100 to make sure the geniuses get in and then use the rest to admit as many URMs as they can.

Then the lottery will ensure not too many Asians will get in.

There's nothing wrong in principle with making sure that underserved students are properly served, and making sure that admissions tests which dubiously measure merit do a better job of measuring merit. The notion that elite intellect is color-blind and that it's the school system's responsibility to reflect the fact is a legitimate and noble one. It's no secret that capable URMs would be reticent to take part in elite programs if they feel like they're the "only ones" there.

However, I don't think the answer is to go away from the direction of STEM merit-based measures, and to accuse those who endorse them as being racist and entitled. We won't know racism and entitlement until we start seeing the kids of school board members and politicians getting holistically admitted into a watered-down TJ and AAP because of the college admissions boost and intellectual authority it's nevertheless still able to summon, while the Asian-Americans, Eastern Europeans immigrants, and 99-percenter nerds who used to view those spots as a bastion of fairness would begin to wallow unchallenged and academically underserved, while routinely facing discrimination for being "different."

“that capable URMs would be reticent to take part in elite programs if they feel like they're the "only ones" there” ？

You’ve got to be kidding me. My Asian children were the “only ones” in their school before TJ, and most likely will be the “ only ones” after TJ for the rest of their lives. Anybody plan to help?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Will the holistic review of top 100 students be race-blind? Otherwise, FCPS will pick the top 100 from URM. It’s all about race and politics. TJ will be doomed under the administration of stupid Brabrand.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The top 100 is not the top 100 as in the most gifted or intelligent. This reads as though it's 100 seats set aside where they can take into account socioeconomic factors and underrepresented middle schools etc. In other words, 100 seats set aside to make sure they can get more URMs in the class and take the luck of the lottery out of the equation when it comes to certain groups they want in the class.

Seems like it's both.

Sounds like they want to use the top 100 to catch the truly gifted students. Then they want to use the remaining top 100 to catch the most qualified URMs they can find to fix their numbers.

Says it right there on slide 14.

But you're right. This change is all about race.

Race isn’t one of the explicit factors used for the top 100, but they are using SES and underrepresented sending schools as a proxy for race.

They even mention that one of the pros of the new system is that it should admit more URMs. It’s clearly about race.

They will use the top 100 to make sure the geniuses get in and then use the rest to admit as many URMs as they can.

Then the lottery will ensure not too many Asians will get in.

There's nothing wrong in principle with making sure that underserved students are properly served, and making sure that admissions tests which dubiously measure merit do a better job of measuring merit. The notion that elite intellect is color-blind and that it's the school system's responsibility to reflect the fact is a legitimate and noble one. It's no secret that capable URMs would be reticent to take part in elite programs if they feel like they're the "only ones" there.

However, I don't think the answer is to go away from the direction of STEM merit-based measures, and to accuse those who endorse them as being racist and entitled. We won't know racism and entitlement until we start seeing the kids of school board members and politicians getting holistically admitted into a watered-down TJ and AAP because of the college admissions boost and intellectual authority it's nevertheless still able to summon, while the Asian-Americans, Eastern Europeans immigrants, and 99-percenter nerds who used to view those spots as a bastion of fairness would begin to wallow unchallenged and academically underserved, while routinely facing discrimination for being "different."

“that capable URMs would be reticent to take part in elite programs if they feel like they're the "only ones" there” ？

You’ve got to be kidding me. My Asian children were the “only ones” in their school before TJ, and most likely will be the “ only ones” after TJ for the rest of their lives. Anybody plan to help?

PP. That's not a perfect comparison. Your point is that your kids valiantly chose to attend school instead of homeschooling? Attending school vs not is much less of choice than voluntarily attending a special program like TJ vs staying in a base school around with a community which you can socially identify with. For a lot of people, the extra rigor of TJ is a needed relief which makes it worth it, but if you have any reason to worry about whether you'd be treated fairly once you go there, then it kills that advantage.

Plus, that was hardly my main point. That sentence was literally an afterthought that I threw in before I clicked "Submit."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Will the holistic review of top 100 students be race-blind? Otherwise, FCPS will pick the top 100 from URM. It’s all about race and politics. TJ will be doomed under the administration of stupid Brabrand.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The top 100 is not the top 100 as in the most gifted or intelligent. This reads as though it's 100 seats set aside where they can take into account socioeconomic factors and underrepresented middle schools etc. In other words, 100 seats set aside to make sure they can get more URMs in the class and take the luck of the lottery out of the equation when it comes to certain groups they want in the class.

Seems like it's both.

Sounds like they want to use the top 100 to catch the truly gifted students. Then they want to use the remaining top 100 to catch the most qualified URMs they can find to fix their numbers.

Says it right there on slide 14.

But you're right. This change is all about race.

Race isn’t one of the explicit factors used for the top 100, but they are using SES and underrepresented sending schools as a proxy for race.

They even mention that one of the pros of the new system is that it should admit more URMs. It’s clearly about race.

They will use the top 100 to make sure the geniuses get in and then use the rest to admit as many URMs as they can.

Then the lottery will ensure not too many Asians will get in.

QUE IDIOTA! Qarni must go. I can't even begin to express how stupid he is for doing that.

[Anonymous]

Anderson and Keys Gamarra went to the rally for a TJ lottery yesterday. Only 17 supporters there!

They do not represent Asians. Anderson is from crap Mason district so no surprise but Keys Gamarra is at large so supposed to represent all! How do we recall her?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Will the holistic review of top 100 students be race-blind? Otherwise, FCPS will pick the top 100 from URM. It’s all about race and politics. TJ will be doomed under the administration of stupid Brabrand.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The top 100 is not the top 100 as in the most gifted or intelligent. This reads as though it's 100 seats set aside where they can take into account socioeconomic factors and underrepresented middle schools etc. In other words, 100 seats set aside to make sure they can get more URMs in the class and take the luck of the lottery out of the equation when it comes to certain groups they want in the class.

Seems like it's both.

Sounds like they want to use the top 100 to catch the truly gifted students. Then they want to use the remaining top 100 to catch the most qualified URMs they can find to fix their numbers.

Says it right there on slide 14.

But you're right. This change is all about race.

Race isn’t one of the explicit factors used for the top 100, but they are using SES and underrepresented sending schools as a proxy for race.

They even mention that one of the pros of the new system is that it should admit more URMs. It’s clearly about race.

They will use the top 100 to make sure the geniuses get in and then use the rest to admit as many URMs as they can.

Then the lottery will ensure not too many Asians will get in.

QUE IDIOTA! Qarni must go. I can't even begin to express how stupid he is for doing that.

He should be fired for attacking Virginia schools and universities.

[Anonymous]

Does URM pass the state assesment Proportional to its population? If not, it is the schools’ responsibility to improve their education.
The public schools failed to educate the blacks and the hispanics. They should all resign.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Will the holistic review of top 100 students be race-blind? Otherwise, FCPS will pick the top 100 from URM. It’s all about race and politics. TJ will be doomed under the administration of stupid Brabrand.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The top 100 is not the top 100 as in the most gifted or intelligent. This reads as though it's 100 seats set aside where they can take into account socioeconomic factors and underrepresented middle schools etc. In other words, 100 seats set aside to make sure they can get more URMs in the class and take the luck of the lottery out of the equation when it comes to certain groups they want in the class.

Seems like it's both.

Sounds like they want to use the top 100 to catch the truly gifted students. Then they want to use the remaining top 100 to catch the most qualified URMs they can find to fix their numbers.

Says it right there on slide 14.

But you're right. This change is all about race.

Race isn’t one of the explicit factors used for the top 100, but they are using SES and underrepresented sending schools as a proxy for race.

They even mention that one of the pros of the new system is that it should admit more URMs. It’s clearly about race.

They will use the top 100 to make sure the geniuses get in and then use the rest to admit as many URMs as they can.

Then the lottery will ensure not too many Asians will get in.

QUE IDIOTA! Qarni must go. I can't even begin to express how stupid he is for doing that.

He should be fired for attacking Virginia schools and universities.

The email Qarni wrote is beyond absurd. He is basically trying to bring down the ranking of TJ in order to remove the reason for objecting the reform using lottery. He literally is trying to destroy TJ so that he can rebuild it to his liking!!