Delivery Driver held hostage by Zimmerman wannabe

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Why couldn't they have used cameras to see where he was delivering? There had to be another way to find out where he was delivering packages.

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Anonymous wrote:Considering it’s a white dude harassing a black delivery driver, I think this is more than just “who gave you the code”.

Zimmerman isn’t white.

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Anonymous wrote:The guy was in a gated community and they wanted to know who gave him the code. Seems reasonable if giving out the code is against the HOA rules. They wanted to know who in the community decided they were above the rules, it has nothing to do with the driver himself.

Asking the guy a question - which he is not obliged to answer - that's one thing (still racist IMHO)

But blocking him in with your car. Oh hell no. Lawsuit coming. Hope they throw the book at the HOA guy(s)

How is asking someone a question racist? Am I only allowed to ask white people questions?

I don't believe for a second that a white delivery driver in a clearly marked delivery truck would have been questioned or detained as this driver was.

The good news is, Mr Stewart appears to have some VERY deep pockets and can afford the lawyer he will likely need. https://www.theenergylawblog.com/2012/02/articles/oil-gas-contracts/texas-case-holds-seller-bound-to-terms-of-forged-document/

No one mentioned detained, but keep on adding stuff to move the goalposts. You don't think any driver in a gated community would be asked who gave him the code? Only the non white ones? Amazing. I guess if you want to find a reason to blame "the white guy" you can.

I'll try again, how is asking a question racist?

He was held against his will for 30 minutes - 1 hour.

Yes that is being detained .... and it is against the law.

Again, I never mentioned detained. I agree being detained is against the law. That does not explain how asking a question is racist. You are answering a question I never asked instead of the one I am asking. Why?

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Anonymous wrote:Do you need a code to get in and out? Some communities will let you out without a code, my Mom's community does this.. We don't know if the customer met him at the gate to let him in.

We’d know if he would have said so. Instead he wanted to be a "victim"

Hey, asshole. He wanted to be able to do his job without sharing customer information that he had no obligation to provide with some self-appointed vigilantes.

Would you like the delivery driver to let some randos on the street know the next time they are delivering expensive electronics to your house?

It's not a random street. If I moved into a gated community and someone was giving out the code to everyone, I'd ask who was giving out the code.

If you found some "rando" sitting on your couch, you wouldn't ask "who let you in?" The whole point of a gated community is the illusion of security, if someone else in the community is putting that at risk, every homeowner has the right to know who that person is.

Those idiots had no right to detain the driver. Your analogies are stupid.

It is painful to watch what the driver is reduced to. He knows he could die in this situation and inbred Billy Bob 1 and 2 would more than likely walk away unscathed. The driver knows how easily he can be detained, held in jail or die over NOTHING. He is trying very hard not to escalate the situation and is scared but those inbred idiots actually tried, at one point, to say he was threatening them. He knows like those ignorant red necks know, that they will be assumed innocent and right in the initial assessment.

I never said they had the right to detain him, I said they have the right to ask him. If you have to add stuff to make your point, you look foolish

Oh my god, you truly are an idiot. We should go easier on you. Anyone can ask anyone anything. It isn't a "right" anyone has. No one has to answer questions others ask.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you need a code to get in and out? Some communities will let you out without a code, my Mom's community does this.. We don't know if the customer met him at the gate to let him in.

We’d know if he would have said so. Instead he wanted to be a "victim"

Hey, asshole. He wanted to be able to do his job without sharing customer information that he had no obligation to provide with some self-appointed vigilantes.

Would you like the delivery driver to let some randos on the street know the next time they are delivering expensive electronics to your house?

It's not a random street. If I moved into a gated community and someone was giving out the code to everyone, I'd ask who was giving out the code.

If you found some "rando" sitting on your couch, you wouldn't ask "who let you in?" The whole point of a gated community is the illusion of security, if someone else in the community is putting that at risk, every homeowner has the right to know who that person is.

Those idiots had no right to detain the driver. Your analogies are stupid.

It is painful to watch what the driver is reduced to. He knows he could die in this situation and inbred Billy Bob 1 and 2 would more than likely walk away unscathed. The driver knows how easily he can be detained, held in jail or die over NOTHING. He is trying very hard not to escalate the situation and is scared but those inbred idiots actually tried, at one point, to say he was threatening them. He knows like those ignorant red necks know, that they will be assumed innocent and right in the initial assessment.

I never said they had the right to detain him, I said they have the right to ask him. If you have to add stuff to make your point, you look foolish

Oh my god, you truly are an idiot. We should go easier on you. Anyone can ask anyone anything. It isn't a "right" anyone has. No one has to answer questions others ask.

Also, didn't you argue up-thread that the driver wasn't detained - that he could go around the car? That shows who you are. We all see that the driver will cause problems if he drives over their overvalued grass. That would push the driver into doing something that someone might try to get him in trouble for. You know that, but like a good racist, you are going to contort yourself to justify outrageous actions by your two inbred brothers.

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Mr. Stewart has also has a lot on his plate:

https://www.leagle.com/decision/inbco20190722462

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Anonymous wrote:The guy was in a gated community and they wanted to know who gave him the code. Seems reasonable if giving out the code is against the HOA rules. They wanted to know who in the community decided they were above the rules, it has nothing to do with the driver himself.

Asking the guy a question - which he is not obliged to answer - that's one thing (still racist IMHO)

But blocking him in with your car. Oh hell no. Lawsuit coming. Hope they throw the book at the HOA guy(s)

How is asking someone a question racist? Am I only allowed to ask white people questions?

I don't believe for a second that a white delivery driver in a clearly marked delivery truck would have been questioned or detained as this driver was.

The good news is, Mr Stewart appears to have some VERY deep pockets and can afford the lawyer he will likely need. https://www.theenergylawblog.com/2012/02/articles/oil-gas-contracts/texas-case-holds-seller-bound-to-terms-of-forged-document/

No one mentioned detained, but keep on adding stuff to move the goalposts. You don't think any driver in a gated community would be asked who gave him the code? Only the non white ones? Amazing. I guess if you want to find a reason to blame "the white guy" you can.

I'll try again, how is asking a question racist?

He was held against his will for 30 minutes - 1 hour.

Yes that is being detained .... and it is against the law.

Again, I never mentioned detained. I agree being detained is against the law. That does not explain how asking a question is racist. You are answering a question I never asked instead of the one I am asking. Why?

It's racist because the other 20 Amazon deliver trucks driven by white guys that day were not "asked where they were going". Also it's okay to ask a question and it's okay to refuse to answer the questions.

There is a ton of data showing black UPS drivers get harassed and white ones don't... and no I won't provide a link, do your own research.

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Anonymous wrote:The guy was in a gated community and they wanted to know who gave him the code. Seems reasonable if giving out the code is against the HOA rules. They wanted to know who in the community decided they were above the rules, it has nothing to do with the driver himself.

You just made all of that up out of your butt.

It's in the link on the first post


“All we want to know is why you’re in here and who gave you the gate code. That’s all we need to know,” the man said.

What fell out of your butt is the idea that HOA Harry had a right to know or ask.

Everyone in that community has the right to know if giving out the code is against the bylaws. It's pretty simple, when you move into a HOA you sign the bylaws and can be expected to follow them.

The driver didn’t sign those bylaws.

Exactly!

You are exactly DUMB!

An HOA IS not some kind of homeowner damn police force you do not have the right to start interrogating FedEx UPS or the Postal Service or anybody in your neighborhood and expect them to answer ANYTHING!

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Anonymous wrote:Do you need a code to get in and out? Some communities will let you out without a code, my Mom's community does this.. We don't know if the customer met him at the gate to let him in.

We’d know if he would have said so. Instead he wanted to be a "victim"

Hey, asshole. He wanted to be able to do his job without sharing customer information that he had no obligation to provide with some self-appointed vigilantes.

Would you like the delivery driver to let some randos on the street know the next time they are delivering expensive electronics to your house?

It's not a random street. If I moved into a gated community and someone was giving out the code to everyone, I'd ask who was giving out the code.

If you found some "rando" sitting on your couch, you wouldn't ask "who let you in?" The whole point of a gated community is the illusion of security, if someone else in the community is putting that at risk, every homeowner has the right to know who that person is.

Those idiots had no right to detain the driver. Your analogies are stupid.

It is painful to watch what the driver is reduced to. He knows he could die in this situation and inbred Billy Bob 1 and 2 would more than likely walk away unscathed. The driver knows how easily he can be detained, held in jail or die over NOTHING. He is trying very hard not to escalate the situation and is scared but those inbred idiots actually tried, at one point, to say he was threatening them. He knows like those ignorant red necks know, that they will be assumed innocent and right in the initial assessment.

I never said they had the right to detain him, I said they have the right to ask him. If you have to add stuff to make your point, you look foolish

Oh my god, you truly are an idiot. We should go easier on you. Anyone can ask anyone anything. It isn't a "right" anyone has. No one has to answer questions others ask.

Also, didn't you argue up-thread that the driver wasn't detained - that he could go around the car? That shows who you are. We all see that the driver will cause problems if he drives over their overvalued grass. That would push the driver into doing something that someone might try to get him in trouble for. You know that, but like a good racist, you are going to contort yourself to justify outrageous actions by your two inbred brothers.

No, that was someone different. There are different people here you know. People here said no one has the right to ask a question, and asking a question is somehow racist. I say people have the right to ask, and how is asking anyone a question racist. I still don't have an answer.

Do they have the right to detain him? No
Does he have the right to not answer? Yes

But simply asking someone how they got into a gated community is not racist. If you had a chain with a padlock and someone you did not know had a key, you'd ask how he got it. Asking that question is not racist.

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Anonymous wrote:The guy was in a gated community and they wanted to know who gave him the code. Seems reasonable if giving out the code is against the HOA rules. They wanted to know who in the community decided they were above the rules, it has nothing to do with the driver himself.

You just made all of that up out of your butt.

It's in the link on the first post


“All we want to know is why you’re in here and who gave you the gate code. That’s all we need to know,” the man said.

What fell out of your butt is the idea that HOA Harry had a right to know or ask.

Everyone in that community has the right to know if giving out the code is against the bylaws. It's pretty simple, when you move into a HOA you sign the bylaws and can be expected to follow them.

The driver didn’t sign those bylaws.

I think you misunderstood-I was saying exactly to the driver not being bound by the hoa laws (and therefore it being ridiculous to allude to them as if had some duty to engage with the guys illegally detaining him/answer there dumb questions.)
Exactly!

You are exactly DUMB!

An HOA IS not some kind of homeowner damn police force you do not have the right to start interrogating FedEx UPS or the Postal Service or anybody in your neighborhood and expect them to answer ANYTHING!

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Anonymous wrote:The guy was in a gated community and they wanted to know who gave him the code. Seems reasonable if giving out the code is against the HOA rules. They wanted to know who in the community decided they were above the rules, it has nothing to do with the driver himself.

You just made all of that up out of your butt.

It's in the link on the first post


“All we want to know is why you’re in here and who gave you the gate code. That’s all we need to know,” the man said.

What fell out of your butt is the idea that HOA Harry had a right to know or ask.

Everyone in that community has the right to know if giving out the code is against the bylaws. It's pretty simple, when you move into a HOA you sign the bylaws and can be expected to follow them.

The driver didn’t sign those bylaws.

An HOA IS not some kind of homeowner damn police force you do not have the right to start interrogating FedEx UPS or the Postal Service or anybody in your neighborhood and expect them to answer ANYTHING!

I think you misunderstood-I was saying exactly to the driver not being bound by the hoa laws (and therefore it being ridiculous to allude to them as if had some duty to engage with the guys illegally detaining him/answer their dumb questions.)

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Anonymous wrote:Mr. Stewart has also has a lot on his plate:

https://www.leagle.com/decision/inbco20190722462

Maybe he thought the driver was there to repossess Stewart’s possessions?

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Anonymous wrote:The guy was in a gated community and they wanted to know who gave him the code. Seems reasonable if giving out the code is against the HOA rules. They wanted to know who in the community decided they were above the rules, it has nothing to do with the driver himself.

This.

But. Heck. Outrage is fun!

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Anonymous wrote:Do you need a code to get in and out? Some communities will let you out without a code, my Mom's community does this.. We don't know if the customer met him at the gate to let him in.

We’d know if he would have said so. Instead he wanted to be a "victim"

Hey, asshole. He wanted to be able to do his job without sharing customer information that he had no obligation to provide with some self-appointed vigilantes.

Would you like the delivery driver to let some randos on the street know the next time they are delivering expensive electronics to your house?

It's not a random street. If I moved into a gated community and someone was giving out the code to everyone, I'd ask who was giving out the code.

If you found some "rando" sitting on your couch, you wouldn't ask "who let you in?" The whole point of a gated community is the illusion of security, if someone else in the community is putting that at risk, every homeowner has the right to know who that person is.

Those idiots had no right to detain the driver. Your analogies are stupid.

It is painful to watch what the driver is reduced to. He knows he could die in this situation and inbred Billy Bob 1 and 2 would more than likely walk away unscathed. The driver knows how easily he can be detained, held in jail or die over NOTHING. He is trying very hard not to escalate the situation and is scared but those inbred idiots actually tried, at one point, to say he was threatening them. He knows like those ignorant red necks know, that they will be assumed innocent and right in the initial assessment.

I never said they had the right to detain him, I said they have the right to ask him. If you have to add stuff to make your point, you look foolish

Oh my god, you truly are an idiot. We should go easier on you. Anyone can ask anyone anything. It isn't a "right" anyone has. No one has to answer questions others ask.

Also, didn't you argue up-thread that the driver wasn't detained - that he could go around the car? That shows who you are. We all see that the driver will cause problems if he drives over their overvalued grass. That would push the driver into doing something that someone might try to get him in trouble for. You know that, but like a good racist, you are going to contort yourself to justify outrageous actions by your two inbred brothers.

No, that was someone different. There are different people here you know. People here said no one has the right to ask a question, and asking a question is somehow racist. I say people have the right to ask, and how is asking anyone a question racist. I still don't have an answer.

Do they have the right to detain him? No
Does he have the right to not answer? Yes

But simply asking someone how they got into a gated community is not racist. If you had a chain with a padlock and someone you did not know had a key, you'd ask how he got it. Asking that question is not racist.

Ok but asking a question and then blocking his exit for almost an hour is not ok.

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Anonymous wrote:The guy was in a gated community and they wanted to know who gave him the code. Seems reasonable if giving out the code is against the HOA rules. They wanted to know who in the community decided they were above the rules, it has nothing to do with the driver himself.

Asking the guy a question - which he is not obliged to answer - that's one thing (still racist IMHO)

But blocking him in with your car. Oh hell no. Lawsuit coming. Hope they throw the book at the HOA guy(s)

How is asking someone a question racist? Am I only allowed to ask white people questions?

Yes.

First you measure skin pigmentation.

Then, if white, you can ask a question.

Common sense folks.