How do you think this year's high school magnet selection process ?

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So? I thought MCPS stated that other schools were as equally good, but even if they aren't, that doesn't mean MCPS should be favoring one side over the other for a county wide program.

It's not a county-wide program. There are the middle-school magnet programs at Clemente/MLK, and there are the middle-school magnet programs at Takoma Park/Eastern.

Also, MCPS isn't favoring one side over the other. MCPS is saying that the outliers at each school get admitted to the middle-school magnet programs.

It's county wide for the southern part of the county. Clemente is for the northern side of the county. People who live in the W clusters are zoned for TP/Eastern magnet, not Clemente, which serves the northern portions of the county.

When MCPS uses peer cohort criteria, it does favor one side of the other because one side has waaay more higher performers than the other side, but they are effective giving the other side a bump up because of where they live.

And to PP's question of "how is it penalizing w clusters".. it does so because a student who happens to live in that cluster who scores higher than another student in another cluster but doesn't get in because of "peer cohort" basically is penalized because of where that student lives. If you pluck that student out of a W cluster, and put them in a school out east, then that student would probably get in. And no... families shouldn't have to move just so their kids don't get penalized for where they live. That would be gaming the system.

I think this generalization isn't truthful. Both sides of the county have similar numbers of high-performers. The difference is one side has higher ranked schools and parents who invest in prep. The cohort criteria levels this playing field so equally high-performing students in less affluent areas get the same opportunities.

[Anonymous]

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So? I thought MCPS stated that other schools were as equally good, but even if they aren't, that doesn't mean MCPS should be favoring one side over the other for a county wide program.

It's not a county-wide program. There are the middle-school magnet programs at Clemente/MLK, and there are the middle-school magnet programs at Takoma Park/Eastern.

Also, MCPS isn't favoring one side over the other. MCPS is saying that the outliers at each school get admitted to the middle-school magnet programs.

It's county wide for the southern part of the county. Clemente is for the northern side of the county. People who live in the W clusters are zoned for TP/Eastern magnet, not Clemente, which serves the northern portions of the county.

When MCPS uses peer cohort criteria, it does favor one side of the other because one side has waaay more higher performers than the other side, but they are effective giving the other side a bump up because of where they live.

And to PP's question of "how is it penalizing w clusters".. it does so because a student who happens to live in that cluster who scores higher than another student in another cluster but doesn't get in because of "peer cohort" basically is penalized because of where that student lives. If you pluck that student out of a W cluster, and put them in a school out east, then that student would probably get in. And no... families shouldn't have to move just so their kids don't get penalized for where they live. That would be gaming the system.

Actually, that's utter nonsense. MCPS favors the western side of the county. Just look at the GS rankings of those schools and whenever they bring up adjusting the boundaries to provide comparable opportunities elsewhere many parents go nuts and scream bloody murder because they strongly believe they are zoned for better schools.

[Anonymous]

Just a friendly reminder that the so-called cohort criteria is not being used for high school admissions and probably should be discussed in another thread, lest people get confused

[Anonymous]

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So? I thought MCPS stated that other schools were as equally good, but even if they aren't, that doesn't mean MCPS should be favoring one side over the other for a county wide program.

It's not a county-wide program. There are the middle-school magnet programs at Clemente/MLK, and there are the middle-school magnet programs at Takoma Park/Eastern.

Also, MCPS isn't favoring one side over the other. MCPS is saying that the outliers at each school get admitted to the middle-school magnet programs.

It's county wide for the southern part of the county. Clemente is for the northern side of the county. People who live in the W clusters are zoned for TP/Eastern magnet, not Clemente, which serves the northern portions of the county.

When MCPS uses peer cohort criteria, it does favor one side of the other because one side has waaay more higher performers than the other side, but they are effective giving the other side a bump up because of where they live.

And to PP's question of "how is it penalizing w clusters".. it does so because a student who happens to live in that cluster who scores higher than another student in another cluster but doesn't get in because of "peer cohort" basically is penalized because of where that student lives. If you pluck that student out of a W cluster, and put them in a school out east, then that student would probably get in. And no... families shouldn't have to move just so their kids don't get penalized for where they live. That would be gaming the system.

Actually, that's utter nonsense. MCPS favors the western side of the county. Just look at the GS rankings of those schools and whenever they bring up adjusting the boundaries to provide comparable opportunities elsewhere many parents go nuts and scream bloody murder because they strongly believe they are zoned for better schools.

That's not MCPS favoring the western part. LOL MCPS doesn't determine GS Ratings. And some parents are going nuts over the boundary study (I'm not.. I'm all for it), but MCPS is still going forward with it. This is too funny... lots of parents on the western side of the county don't want the boundary study and hate that BOE put "especially" in the language for diversity when drawing boundaries, so how is MCPS favoring the western side of the county with regards to the boundary study? LOL Makes zero sense.

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So? I thought MCPS stated that other schools were as equally good, but even if they aren't, that doesn't mean MCPS should be favoring one side over the other for a county wide program.

It's not a county-wide program. There are the middle-school magnet programs at Clemente/MLK, and there are the middle-school magnet programs at Takoma Park/Eastern.

Also, MCPS isn't favoring one side over the other. MCPS is saying that the outliers at each school get admitted to the middle-school magnet programs.

It's county wide for the southern part of the county. Clemente is for the northern side of the county. People who live in the W clusters are zoned for TP/Eastern magnet, not Clemente, which serves the northern portions of the county.

When MCPS uses peer cohort criteria, it does favor one side of the other because one side has waaay more higher performers than the other side, but they are effective giving the other side a bump up because of where they live.

And to PP's question of "how is it penalizing w clusters".. it does so because a student who happens to live in that cluster who scores higher than another student in another cluster but doesn't get in because of "peer cohort" basically is penalized because of where that student lives. If you pluck that student out of a W cluster, and put them in a school out east, then that student would probably get in. And no... families shouldn't have to move just so their kids don't get penalized for where they live. That would be gaming the system.

I think this generalization isn't truthful. Both sides of the county have similar numbers of high-performers. The difference is one side has higher ranked schools and parents who invest in prep. The cohort criteria levels this playing field so equally high-performing students in less affluent areas get the same opportunities.

How do you know how many students on the western side prep? Mine don't.

And no.. there aren't similar numbers of high performers on each side of the county. MCPS's own numbers show this.

According to a PP the enriched classes are good enough, so why not put those classes in TP, and bring the magnet to where there is greater need?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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So? I thought MCPS stated that other schools were as equally good, but even if they aren't, that doesn't mean MCPS should be favoring one side over the other for a county wide program.

It's not a county-wide program. There are the middle-school magnet programs at Clemente/MLK, and there are the middle-school magnet programs at Takoma Park/Eastern.

Also, MCPS isn't favoring one side over the other. MCPS is saying that the outliers at each school get admitted to the middle-school magnet programs.

It's county wide for the southern part of the county. Clemente is for the northern side of the county. People who live in the W clusters are zoned for TP/Eastern magnet, not Clemente, which serves the northern portions of the county.

When MCPS uses peer cohort criteria, it does favor one side of the other because one side has waaay more higher performers than the other side, but they are effective giving the other side a bump up because of where they live.

And to PP's question of "how is it penalizing w clusters".. it does so because a student who happens to live in that cluster who scores higher than another student in another cluster but doesn't get in because of "peer cohort" basically is penalized because of where that student lives. If you pluck that student out of a W cluster, and put them in a school out east, then that student would probably get in. And no... families shouldn't have to move just so their kids don't get penalized for where they live. That would be gaming the system.

I think this generalization isn't truthful. Both sides of the county have similar numbers of high-performers. The difference is one side has higher ranked schools and parents who invest in prep. The cohort criteria levels this playing field so equally high-performing students in less affluent areas get the same opportunities.

How do you know how many students on the western side prep? Mine don't.

And no.. there aren't similar numbers of high performers on each side of the county. MCPS's own numbers show this.

According to a PP the enriched classes are good enough, so why not put those classes in TP, and bring the magnet to where there is greater need?

I was told they put it near the highest concentration of high-performers to reduce busing costs. Isn't the largest cohort in the magnet from Takoma?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
So? I thought MCPS stated that other schools were as equally good, but even if they aren't, that doesn't mean MCPS should be favoring one side over the other for a county wide program.

It's not a county-wide program. There are the middle-school magnet programs at Clemente/MLK, and there are the middle-school magnet programs at Takoma Park/Eastern.

Also, MCPS isn't favoring one side over the other. MCPS is saying that the outliers at each school get admitted to the middle-school magnet programs.

It's county wide for the southern part of the county. Clemente is for the northern side of the county. People who live in the W clusters are zoned for TP/Eastern magnet, not Clemente, which serves the northern portions of the county.

When MCPS uses peer cohort criteria, it does favor one side of the other because one side has waaay more higher performers than the other side, but they are effective giving the other side a bump up because of where they live.

And to PP's question of "how is it penalizing w clusters".. it does so because a student who happens to live in that cluster who scores higher than another student in another cluster but doesn't get in because of "peer cohort" basically is penalized because of where that student lives. If you pluck that student out of a W cluster, and put them in a school out east, then that student would probably get in. And no... families shouldn't have to move just so their kids don't get penalized for where they live. That would be gaming the system.

Actually, that's utter nonsense. MCPS favors the western side of the county. Just look at the GS rankings of those schools and whenever they bring up adjusting the boundaries to provide comparable opportunities elsewhere many parents go nuts and scream bloody murder because they strongly believe they are zoned for better schools.

Exactly! People just want their cake...

[Anonymous]

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It's county wide for the southern part of the county. Clemente is for the northern side of the county. People who live in the W clusters are zoned for TP/Eastern magnet, not Clemente, which serves the northern portions of the county.

When MCPS uses peer cohort criteria, it does favor one side of the other because one side has waaay more higher performers than the other side, but they are effective giving the other side a bump up because of where they live.

And to PP's question of "how is it penalizing w clusters".. it does so because a student who happens to live in that cluster who scores higher than another student in another cluster but doesn't get in because of "peer cohort" basically is penalized because of where that student lives. If you pluck that student out of a W cluster, and put them in a school out east, then that student would probably get in. And no... families shouldn't have to move just so their kids don't get penalized for where they live. That would be gaming the system.

Um.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This and the fact they took most of the application away.

yep. central office just works its social justice warrior magic.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
So? I thought MCPS stated that other schools were as equally good, but even if they aren't, that doesn't mean MCPS should be favoring one side over the other for a county wide program.

It's not a county-wide program. There are the middle-school magnet programs at Clemente/MLK, and there are the middle-school magnet programs at Takoma Park/Eastern.

Also, MCPS isn't favoring one side over the other. MCPS is saying that the outliers at each school get admitted to the middle-school magnet programs.

It's county wide for the southern part of the county. Clemente is for the northern side of the county. People who live in the W clusters are zoned for TP/Eastern magnet, not Clemente, which serves the northern portions of the county.

When MCPS uses peer cohort criteria, it does favor one side of the other because one side has waaay more higher performers than the other side, but they are effective giving the other side a bump up because of where they live.

And to PP's question of "how is it penalizing w clusters".. it does so because a student who happens to live in that cluster who scores higher than another student in another cluster but doesn't get in because of "peer cohort" basically is penalized because of where that student lives. If you pluck that student out of a W cluster, and put them in a school out east, then that student would probably get in. And no... families shouldn't have to move just so their kids don't get penalized for where they live. That would be gaming the system.

I think this generalization isn't truthful. Both sides of the county have similar numbers of high-performers. The difference is one side has higher ranked schools and parents who invest in prep. The cohort criteria levels this playing field so equally high-performing students in less affluent areas get the same opportunities.

How do you know how many students on the western side prep? Mine don't.

And no.. there aren't similar numbers of high performers on each side of the county. MCPS's own numbers show this.

According to a PP the enriched classes are good enough, so why not put those classes in TP, and bring the magnet to where there is greater need?

I was told they put it near the highest concentration of high-performers to reduce busing costs. Isn't the largest cohort in the magnet from Takoma?

what are you talking about? it was well-documented that MCPS and MoCO put the magnet schools in downtrodden schools and neighborhoods in efforts to boost average school test scores and property values nearby. funny how better test scoring schools boost property value...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just a friendly reminder that the so-called cohort criteria is not being used for high school admissions and probably should be discussed in another thread, lest people get confused

when did the heavily weighted peer cohort criteria start for MS magnets or HS magnets in MCPS?

and why if MoCo is 500 square miles and 220 schools are they located on the north and east fringes of the county? I presume many families work in downtown Bethesda, DC, Arlington, Tysons and thus live west and south.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Just a friendly reminder that the so-called cohort criteria is not being used for high school admissions and probably should be discussed in another thread, lest people get confused

when did the heavily weighted peer cohort criteria start for MS magnets or HS magnets in MCPS?

and why if MoCo is 500 square miles and 220 schools are they located on the north and east fringes of the county? I presume many families work in downtown Bethesda, DC, Arlington, Tysons and thus live west and south.

From what I understand, they haven't started using peer cohort yet for HS. And they put magnets in the "lower" performing school to draw (magnet) higher performers to that lower performing school. It worked well for RMIB only because RM is close enough to wealthier areas (it's on the western side of the county) that the school without the magnet also draws higher income families (look at JWMS which also has a highish number of high performers, not as high as some of the W clusters, but high enough where several make it to magnets).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
So? I thought MCPS stated that other schools were as equally good, but even if they aren't, that doesn't mean MCPS should be favoring one side over the other for a county wide program.

It's not a county-wide program. There are the middle-school magnet programs at Clemente/MLK, and there are the middle-school magnet programs at Takoma Park/Eastern.

Also, MCPS isn't favoring one side over the other. MCPS is saying that the outliers at each school get admitted to the middle-school magnet programs.

It's county wide for the southern part of the county. Clemente is for the northern side of the county. People who live in the W clusters are zoned for TP/Eastern magnet, not Clemente, which serves the northern portions of the county.

When MCPS uses peer cohort criteria, it does favor one side of the other because one side has waaay more higher performers than the other side, but they are effective giving the other side a bump up because of where they live.

And to PP's question of "how is it penalizing w clusters".. it does so because a student who happens to live in that cluster who scores higher than another student in another cluster but doesn't get in because of "peer cohort" basically is penalized because of where that student lives. If you pluck that student out of a W cluster, and put them in a school out east, then that student would probably get in. And no... families shouldn't have to move just so their kids don't get penalized for where they live. That would be gaming the system.

I think this generalization isn't truthful. Both sides of the county have similar numbers of high-performers. The difference is one side has higher ranked schools and parents who invest in prep. The cohort criteria levels this playing field so equally high-performing students in less affluent areas get the same opportunities.

How do you know how many students on the western side prep? Mine don't.

And no.. there aren't similar numbers of high performers on each side of the county. MCPS's own numbers show this.

According to a PP the enriched classes are good enough, so why not put those classes in TP, and bring the magnet to where there is greater need?

I was told they put it near the highest concentration of high-performers to reduce busing costs. Isn't the largest cohort in the magnet from Takoma?

? LOL.. No.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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So? I thought MCPS stated that other schools were as equally good, but even if they aren't, that doesn't mean MCPS should be favoring one side over the other for a county wide program.

It's not a county-wide program. There are the middle-school magnet programs at Clemente/MLK, and there are the middle-school magnet programs at Takoma Park/Eastern.

Also, MCPS isn't favoring one side over the other. MCPS is saying that the outliers at each school get admitted to the middle-school magnet programs.

It's county wide for the southern part of the county. Clemente is for the northern side of the county. People who live in the W clusters are zoned for TP/Eastern magnet, not Clemente, which serves the northern portions of the county.

When MCPS uses peer cohort criteria, it does favor one side of the other because one side has waaay more higher performers than the other side, but they are effective giving the other side a bump up because of where they live.

And to PP's question of "how is it penalizing w clusters".. it does so because a student who happens to live in that cluster who scores higher than another student in another cluster but doesn't get in because of "peer cohort" basically is penalized because of where that student lives. If you pluck that student out of a W cluster, and put them in a school out east, then that student would probably get in. And no... families shouldn't have to move just so their kids don't get penalized for where they live. That would be gaming the system.

I think this generalization isn't truthful. Both sides of the county have similar numbers of high-performers. The difference is one side has higher ranked schools and parents who invest in prep. The cohort criteria levels this playing field so equally high-performing students in less affluent areas get the same opportunities.

How do you know how many students on the western side prep? Mine don't.

And no.. there aren't similar numbers of high performers on each side of the county. MCPS's own numbers show this.

According to a PP the enriched classes are good enough, so why not put those classes in TP, and bring the magnet to where there is greater need?

I was told they put it near the highest concentration of high-performers to reduce busing costs. Isn't the largest cohort in the magnet from Takoma?

what are you talking about? it was well-documented that MCPS and MoCO put the magnet schools in downtrodden schools and neighborhoods in efforts to boost average school test scores and property values nearby. funny how better test scoring schools boost property value...

Where is it well-documented other than claims on DCUM?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
So? I thought MCPS stated that other schools were as equally good, but even if they aren't, that doesn't mean MCPS should be favoring one side over the other for a county wide program.

It's not a county-wide program. There are the middle-school magnet programs at Clemente/MLK, and there are the middle-school magnet programs at Takoma Park/Eastern.

Also, MCPS isn't favoring one side over the other. MCPS is saying that the outliers at each school get admitted to the middle-school magnet programs.

It's county wide for the southern part of the county. Clemente is for the northern side of the county. People who live in the W clusters are zoned for TP/Eastern magnet, not Clemente, which serves the northern portions of the county.

When MCPS uses peer cohort criteria, it does favor one side of the other because one side has waaay more higher performers than the other side, but they are effective giving the other side a bump up because of where they live.

And to PP's question of "how is it penalizing w clusters".. it does so because a student who happens to live in that cluster who scores higher than another student in another cluster but doesn't get in because of "peer cohort" basically is penalized because of where that student lives. If you pluck that student out of a W cluster, and put them in a school out east, then that student would probably get in. And no... families shouldn't have to move just so their kids don't get penalized for where they live. That would be gaming the system.

I think this generalization isn't truthful. Both sides of the county have similar numbers of high-performers. The difference is one side has higher ranked schools and parents who invest in prep. The cohort criteria levels this playing field so equally high-performing students in less affluent areas get the same opportunities.

How do you know how many students on the western side prep? Mine don't.

And no.. there aren't similar numbers of high performers on each side of the county. MCPS's own numbers show this.

According to a PP the enriched classes are good enough, so why not put those classes in TP, and bring the magnet to where there is greater need?

I was told they put it near the highest concentration of high-performers to reduce busing costs. Isn't the largest cohort in the magnet from Takoma?

? LOL.. No.

Actually PP is correct. 20 percent of magnet kids at TPMS are local.