75,000 Pro-Gun Demonstrators in Richmond For "Lobby Day"?

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Anonymous wrote:Why is it so important to you to own the weapon that has been used to create so much carnage and murder schoolchildren?

oh the hysterics.

20 1st graders were blown apart in their classrooms with one of these weapons - The fact that you write that off is disgusting to me

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Disgusting POS

Freedom isn't free.

Bad stuff can happen when people are free to make choices.

So those 20 slaughtered children were worth it to you for your “freedom”?

How many would be too many for you personally? Is there a limit? 100? 1000? 1000000? No limit?

If you want my complete and utter honesty? No limit because I personally value maximum freedom, which means people are allowed to make stupid choices.

It's not because I'm heartless. We allow for 10s of thousands to die each year for car accidents yet we don't outlaw driving. If you think I'm a bad person, I'm ok with that.

Too bad it wasn’t your kid who was killed instead of the child of someone not willing to make that trade. You know, price of freedom and all.

I would be ok with that. Others might not be.

I think people should be able to make bad and "wrong" decisions. Freedom means not being protected from bad choices even if they are preventable. Not everyone wants or can handle freedom. That is self evident from the discussion here. Like I said, if that makes me a bad person I fully take responsibility for that.

Does it ever concern you that your norms are so very different than most other people? You’d let your own child die if that meant you could keep your guns. Not many people would say that. Do you feel disconnected from typical emotions?

And would you let your child die to block universal background checks? Or restrictions on magazine capacity?

Or is “maximum freedom” the only important thing to you? Do you actually have children?

Yes I have children. I'm a libertarian, so yes maximum freedom, and lack of coercion is very important to me. I recognize that most people can't live their lives in such a fashion. It's entirely alien for most people.

Of course I have emotions, but rationality is of most importance to me. When I adopted rationality more than a decade ago, discovering that the only intelligent way to go through life was to base decisions on the preponderance of evidence, critically attacking ideas to improve thinking, and working to constantly remove assumptions from my analysis, it was akin to the conversion of Saul in Acts 9:18; scales falling from my eyes and seeing the world for how it really was for the first time. I never anticipated how painful it would be to see others remaining behind in Plato’s cave given my natural inclination to teach and help people.

If you think I'm nuts, thats fine, I have no desire to force you to my way of thinking, though it appears that you would force me to conform to your ideals. I'm an idealist, however I recognize that what works for me might be very unpleasant for you.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is it so important to you to own the weapon that has been used to create so much carnage and murder schoolchildren?

oh the hysterics.

20 1st graders were blown apart in their classrooms with one of these weapons - The fact that you write that off is disgusting to me

+1

Disgusting POS

Freedom isn't free.

Bad stuff can happen when people are free to make choices.

So those 20 slaughtered children were worth it to you for your “freedom”?

How many would be too many for you personally? Is there a limit? 100? 1000? 1000000? No limit?

If you want my complete and utter honesty? No limit because I personally value maximum freedom, which means people are allowed to make stupid choices.

It's not because I'm heartless. We allow for 10s of thousands to die each year for car accidents yet we don't outlaw driving. If you think I'm a bad person, I'm ok with that.

Too bad it wasn’t your kid who was killed instead of the child of someone not willing to make that trade. You know, price of freedom and all.

I would be ok with that. Others might not be.

I think people should be able to make bad and "wrong" decisions. Freedom means not being protected from bad choices even if they are preventable. Not everyone wants or can handle freedom. That is self evident from the discussion here. Like I said, if that makes me a bad person I fully take responsibility for that.

Does it ever concern you that your norms are so very different than most other people? You’d let your own child die if that meant you could keep your guns. Not many people would say that. Do you feel disconnected from typical emotions?

And would you let your child die to block universal background checks? Or restrictions on magazine capacity?

Or is “maximum freedom” the only important thing to you? Do you actually have children?

Yes I have children. I'm a libertarian, so yes maximum freedom, and lack of coercion is very important to me. I recognize that most people can't live their lives in such a fashion. It's entirely alien for most people.

Of course I have emotions, but rationality is of most importance to me. When I adopted rationality more than a decade ago, discovering that the only intelligent way to go through life was to base decisions on the preponderance of evidence, critically attacking ideas to improve thinking, and working to constantly remove assumptions from my analysis, it was akin to the conversion of Saul in Acts 9:18; scales falling from my eyes and seeing the world for how it really was for the first time. I never anticipated how painful it would be to see others remaining behind in Plato’s cave given my natural inclination to teach and help people.

If you think I'm nuts, thats fine, I have no desire to force you to my way of thinking, though it appears that you would force me to conform to your ideals. I'm an idealist, however I recognize that what works for me might be very unpleasant for you.

DP. I pity your children, having a parent who cares so little for them that he’d be fine if they were dead.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is it so important to you to own the weapon that has been used to create so much carnage and murder schoolchildren?

oh the hysterics.

20 1st graders were blown apart in their classrooms with one of these weapons - The fact that you write that off is disgusting to me

+1

Disgusting POS

Freedom isn't free.

Bad stuff can happen when people are free to make choices.

So those 20 slaughtered children were worth it to you for your “freedom”?

How many would be too many for you personally? Is there a limit? 100? 1000? 1000000? No limit?

If you want my complete and utter honesty? No limit because I personally value maximum freedom, which means people are allowed to make stupid choices.

It's not because I'm heartless. We allow for 10s of thousands to die each year for car accidents yet we don't outlaw driving. If you think I'm a bad person, I'm ok with that.

Too bad it wasn’t your kid who was killed instead of the child of someone not willing to make that trade. You know, price of freedom and all.

I would be ok with that. Others might not be.

I think people should be able to make bad and "wrong" decisions. Freedom means not being protected from bad choices even if they are preventable. Not everyone wants or can handle freedom. That is self evident from the discussion here. Like I said, if that makes me a bad person I fully take responsibility for that.

Does it ever concern you that your norms are so very different than most other people? You’d let your own child die if that meant you could keep your guns. Not many people would say that. Do you feel disconnected from typical emotions?

And would you let your child die to block universal background checks? Or restrictions on magazine capacity?

Or is “maximum freedom” the only important thing to you? Do you actually have children?

Yes I have children. I'm a libertarian, so yes maximum freedom, and lack of coercion is very important to me. I recognize that most people can't live their lives in such a fashion. It's entirely alien for most people.

Of course I have emotions, but rationality is of most importance to me. When I adopted rationality more than a decade ago, discovering that the only intelligent way to go through life was to base decisions on the preponderance of evidence, critically attacking ideas to improve thinking, and working to constantly remove assumptions from my analysis, it was akin to the conversion of Saul in Acts 9:18; scales falling from my eyes and seeing the world for how it really was for the first time. I never anticipated how painful it would be to see others remaining behind in Plato’s cave given my natural inclination to teach and help people.

If you think I'm nuts, thats fine, I have no desire to force you to my way of thinking, though it appears that you would force me to conform to your ideals. I'm an idealist, however I recognize that what works for me might be very unpleasant for you.

DP. I pity your children, having a parent who cares so little for them that he’d be fine if they were dead.

NP. The premise of your nonsense is total BS. You aren't going save anyone, just like Bill Clinton didnt save anyone with his assault weapon ban. Get off your ass and do something productive instead of trying to show how virtuous you are.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is it so important to you to own the weapon that has been used to create so much carnage and murder schoolchildren?

oh the hysterics.

20 1st graders were blown apart in their classrooms with one of these weapons - The fact that you write that off is disgusting to me

+1

Disgusting POS

Freedom isn't free.

Bad stuff can happen when people are free to make choices.

So those 20 slaughtered children were worth it to you for your “freedom”?

How many would be too many for you personally? Is there a limit? 100? 1000? 1000000? No limit?

If you want my complete and utter honesty? No limit because I personally value maximum freedom, which means people are allowed to make stupid choices.

It's not because I'm heartless. We allow for 10s of thousands to die each year for car accidents yet we don't outlaw driving. If you think I'm a bad person, I'm ok with that.

Too bad it wasn’t your kid who was killed instead of the child of someone not willing to make that trade. You know, price of freedom and all.

I would be ok with that. Others might not be.

I think people should be able to make bad and "wrong" decisions. Freedom means not being protected from bad choices even if they are preventable. Not everyone wants or can handle freedom. That is self evident from the discussion here. Like I said, if that makes me a bad person I fully take responsibility for that.

Does it ever concern you that your norms are so very different than most other people? You’d let your own child die if that meant you could keep your guns. Not many people would say that. Do you feel disconnected from typical emotions?

And would you let your child die to block universal background checks? Or restrictions on magazine capacity?

Or is “maximum freedom” the only important thing to you? Do you actually have children?

Yes I have children. I'm a libertarian, so yes maximum freedom, and lack of coercion is very important to me. I recognize that most people can't live their lives in such a fashion. It's entirely alien for most people.

Of course I have emotions, but rationality is of most importance to me. When I adopted rationality more than a decade ago, discovering that the only intelligent way to go through life was to base decisions on the preponderance of evidence, critically attacking ideas to improve thinking, and working to constantly remove assumptions from my analysis, it was akin to the conversion of Saul in Acts 9:18; scales falling from my eyes and seeing the world for how it really was for the first time. I never anticipated how painful it would be to see others remaining behind in Plato’s cave given my natural inclination to teach and help people.

If you think I'm nuts, thats fine, I have no desire to force you to my way of thinking, though it appears that you would force me to conform to your ideals. I'm an idealist, however I recognize that what works for me might be very unpleasant for you.

DP. I pity your children, having a parent who cares so little for them that he’d be fine if they were dead.

NP. The premise of your nonsense is total BS. You aren't going save anyone, just like Bill Clinton didnt save anyone with his assault weapon ban. Get off your ass and do something productive instead of trying to show how virtuous you are.

Oh look, another fan of dead kids!

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Anonymous wrote:Why is it so important to you to own the weapon that has been used to create so much carnage and murder schoolchildren?

oh the hysterics.

20 1st graders were blown apart in their classrooms with one of these weapons - The fact that you write that off is disgusting to me

+1

Disgusting POS

Freedom isn't free.

Bad stuff can happen when people are free to make choices.

So those 20 slaughtered children were worth it to you for your “freedom”?

How many would be too many for you personally? Is there a limit? 100? 1000? 1000000? No limit?

If you want my complete and utter honesty? No limit because I personally value maximum freedom, which means people are allowed to make stupid choices.

It's not because I'm heartless. We allow for 10s of thousands to die each year for car accidents yet we don't outlaw driving. If you think I'm a bad person, I'm ok with that.

Too bad it wasn’t your kid who was killed instead of the child of someone not willing to make that trade. You know, price of freedom and all.

I would be ok with that. Others might not be.

I think people should be able to make bad and "wrong" decisions. Freedom means not being protected from bad choices even if they are preventable. Not everyone wants or can handle freedom. That is self evident from the discussion here. Like I said, if that makes me a bad person I fully take responsibility for that.

Does it ever concern you that your norms are so very different than most other people? You’d let your own child die if that meant you could keep your guns. Not many people would say that. Do you feel disconnected from typical emotions?

And would you let your child die to block universal background checks? Or restrictions on magazine capacity?

Or is “maximum freedom” the only important thing to you? Do you actually have children?

Yes I have children. I'm a libertarian, so yes maximum freedom, and lack of coercion is very important to me. I recognize that most people can't live their lives in such a fashion. It's entirely alien for most people.

Of course I have emotions, but rationality is of most importance to me. When I adopted rationality more than a decade ago, discovering that the only intelligent way to go through life was to base decisions on the preponderance of evidence, critically attacking ideas to improve thinking, and working to constantly remove assumptions from my analysis, it was akin to the conversion of Saul in Acts 9:18; scales falling from my eyes and seeing the world for how it really was for the first time. I never anticipated how painful it would be to see others remaining behind in Plato’s cave given my natural inclination to teach and help people.

If you think I'm nuts, thats fine, I have no desire to force you to my way of thinking, though it appears that you would force me to conform to your ideals. I'm an idealist, however I recognize that what works for me might be very unpleasant for you.

What does your spouse think about your “rationality”?

How far does your rationality extend? Atheist/agnostic?

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And please explain the extent you’re willing to pay for maximum freedom. Would you let your child die to block universal background checks? Or restrictions on magazine capacity?

You truly want zero restrictions?

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Anonymous wrote:And please explain the extent you’re willing to pay for maximum freedom. Would you let your child die to block universal background checks? Or restrictions on magazine capacity?

You truly want zero restrictions?

NP. Yeah, 10 million dead is perfect. You win, keyboard warrior. Now go away.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is it so important to you to own the weapon that has been used to create so much carnage and murder schoolchildren?

oh the hysterics.

20 1st graders were blown apart in their classrooms with one of these weapons - The fact that you write that off is disgusting to me

+1

Disgusting POS

Freedom isn't free.

Bad stuff can happen when people are free to make choices.

So those 20 slaughtered children were worth it to you for your “freedom”?

How many would be too many for you personally? Is there a limit? 100? 1000? 1000000? No limit?

If you want my complete and utter honesty? No limit because I personally value maximum freedom, which means people are allowed to make stupid choices.

It's not because I'm heartless. We allow for 10s of thousands to die each year for car accidents yet we don't outlaw driving. If you think I'm a bad person, I'm ok with that.

Too bad it wasn’t your kid who was killed instead of the child of someone not willing to make that trade. You know, price of freedom and all.

I would be ok with that. Others might not be.

I think people should be able to make bad and "wrong" decisions. Freedom means not being protected from bad choices even if they are preventable. Not everyone wants or can handle freedom. That is self evident from the discussion here. Like I said, if that makes me a bad person I fully take responsibility for that.

Does it ever concern you that your norms are so very different than most other people? You’d let your own child die if that meant you could keep your guns. Not many people would say that. Do you feel disconnected from typical emotions?

And would you let your child die to block universal background checks? Or restrictions on magazine capacity?

Or is “maximum freedom” the only important thing to you? Do you actually have children?

Yes I have children. I'm a libertarian, so yes maximum freedom, and lack of coercion is very important to me. I recognize that most people can't live their lives in such a fashion. It's entirely alien for most people.

Of course I have emotions, but rationality is of most importance to me. When I adopted rationality more than a decade ago, discovering that the only intelligent way to go through life was to base decisions on the preponderance of evidence, critically attacking ideas to improve thinking, and working to constantly remove assumptions from my analysis, it was akin to the conversion of Saul in Acts 9:18; scales falling from my eyes and seeing the world for how it really was for the first time. I never anticipated how painful it would be to see others remaining behind in Plato’s cave given my natural inclination to teach and help people.

If you think I'm nuts, thats fine, I have no desire to force you to my way of thinking, though it appears that you would force me to conform to your ideals. I'm an idealist, however I recognize that what works for me might be very unpleasant for you.

DP. I pity your children, having a parent who cares so little for them that he’d be fine if they were dead.

NP. The premise of your nonsense is total BS. You aren't going save anyone, just like Bill Clinton didnt save anyone with his assault weapon ban. Get off your ass and do something productive instead of trying to show how virtuous you are.

Oh look, another fan of dead kids!

Or someone whose emotions aren't easily manipulated.

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Anonymous wrote:And please explain the extent you’re willing to pay for maximum freedom. Would you let your child die to block universal background checks? Or restrictions on magazine capacity?

You truly want zero restrictions?

I actually support stronger standards for concealed carry. I don't think taking a hunting saftey course prepares you for the complex legal issues let alone the handling issues of a pistol.

I think there should be required training on use of force, force escalllation as well as use of virtual simulators to demonstrate that you have such skills and recert every 5 years.

I think magazine restrictions and UBC are ineffective. Straw purchases account for how most people who get firearms for criminal use, yet those laws are rarely enforced.

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Anonymous wrote:And please explain the extent you’re willing to pay for maximum freedom. Would you let your child die to block universal background checks? Or restrictions on magazine capacity?

You truly want zero restrictions?

I actually support stronger standards for concealed carry. I don't think taking a hunting saftey course prepares you for the complex legal issues let alone the handling issues of a pistol.

I think there should be required training on use of force, force escalllation as well as use of virtual simulators to demonstrate that you have such skills and recert every 5 years.

I think magazine restrictions and UBC are ineffective. Straw purchases account for how most people who get firearms for criminal use, yet those laws are rarely enforced.

Required training for all gun owners or just concealed carry? How would you enforce?

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Anonymous wrote:And please explain the extent you’re willing to pay for maximum freedom. Would you let your child die to block universal background checks? Or restrictions on magazine capacity?

You truly want zero restrictions?

I actually support stronger standards for concealed carry. I don't think taking a hunting saftey course prepares you for the complex legal issues let alone the handling issues of a pistol.

I think there should be required training on use of force, force escalllation as well as use of virtual simulators to demonstrate that you have such skills and recert every 5 years.

I think magazine restrictions and UBC are ineffective. Straw purchases account for how most people who get firearms for criminal use, yet those laws are rarely enforced.

Required training for all gun owners or just concealed carry? How would you enforce?

Just for concealed. That can be enforced through the application process.

I don't think that proficiency requirements are going to fly for firearms kept in the home due to SCOTUS decisions.

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Or someone whose emotions aren't easily manipulated.

you're a sociopath if kids blown to bits in their elementary school doesn't make you feel that SOMETHING is wrong

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Or someone whose emotions aren't easily manipulated.

you're a sociopath if kids blown to bits in their elementary school doesn't make you feel that SOMETHING is wrong

I don't blame inanimate objects for the deaths of children. I also don't think any of the propesed measures would do a thing for keeping kids safe.

Here are some things that might work:

Require secured entry at all Virginia K-12 public schools. Provide state funding to do this. Transform schools from imaginary gun-free zones to REAL gun-free zones.

OR

Make this optional and provide funding, but hold school districts completely liable for any death or injury from use of a weapon that would have been found during an entry screening.

Implement something like this:. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Ceasefire

Work with local communities and organizations to keep children involved in productive things and meaningful social interaction outside of the home.

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Or someone whose emotions aren't easily manipulated.

you're a sociopath if kids blown to bits in their elementary school doesn't make you feel that SOMETHING is wrong

I don't blame inanimate objects for the deaths of children. I also don't think any of the propesed measures would do a thing for keeping kids safe.

Here are some things that might work:

Require secured entry at all Virginia K-12 public schools. Provide state funding to do this. Transform schools from imaginary gun-free zones to REAL gun-free zones.

OR

Make this optional and provide funding, but hold school districts completely liable for any death or injury from use of a weapon that would have been found during an entry screening.

Implement something like this:. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Ceasefire

Work with local communities and organizations to keep children involved in productive things and meaningful social interaction outside of the home.

The cost for any of these would be too high. Who will pay for this? Just make gun owners felons and lock them up.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is it so important to you to own the weapon that has been used to create so much carnage and murder schoolchildren?

oh the hysterics.

20 1st graders were blown apart in their classrooms with one of these weapons - The fact that you write that off is disgusting to me

+1

Disgusting POS

Freedom isn't free.

Bad stuff can happen when people are free to make choices.

So those 20 slaughtered children were worth it to you for your “freedom”?

How many would be too many for you personally? Is there a limit? 100? 1000? 1000000? No limit?

If you want my complete and utter honesty? No limit because I personally value maximum freedom, which means people are allowed to make stupid choices.

It's not because I'm heartless. We allow for 10s of thousands to die each year for car accidents yet we don't outlaw driving. If you think I'm a bad person, I'm ok with that.

Too bad it wasn’t your kid who was killed instead of the child of someone not willing to make that trade. You know, price of freedom and all.

I would be ok with that. Others might not be.

I think people should be able to make bad and "wrong" decisions. Freedom means not being protected from bad choices even if they are preventable. Not everyone wants or can handle freedom. That is self evident from the discussion here. Like I said, if that makes me a bad person I fully take responsibility for that.

Does it ever concern you that your norms are so very different than most other people? You’d let your own child die if that meant you could keep your guns. Not many people would say that. Do you feel disconnected from typical emotions?

And would you let your child die to block universal background checks? Or restrictions on magazine capacity?

Or is “maximum freedom” the only important thing to you? Do you actually have children?

Yes I have children. I'm a libertarian, so yes maximum freedom, and lack of coercion is very important to me. I recognize that most people can't live their lives in such a fashion. It's entirely alien for most people.

Of course I have emotions, but rationality is of most importance to me. When I adopted rationality more than a decade ago, discovering that the only intelligent way to go through life was to base decisions on the preponderance of evidence, critically attacking ideas to improve thinking, and working to constantly remove assumptions from my analysis, it was akin to the conversion of Saul in Acts 9:18; scales falling from my eyes and seeing the world for how it really was for the first time. I never anticipated how painful it would be to see others remaining behind in Plato’s cave given my natural inclination to teach and help people.

If you think I'm nuts, thats fine, I have no desire to force you to my way of thinking, though it appears that you would force me to conform to your ideals. I'm an idealist, however I recognize that what works for me might be very unpleasant for you.

Oh good lord another zealot smarter than the rest of humanity. Trump supporter amirite?