Montgomery County zoning: Council wants to change zoning throughout the county to multi-family

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Where are you people living that you have multiple illegal immigrant families living in the same house? I live in Rockville West End and no house in my neighborhood has that.

Give it time.

We have seen this phenomenon increasing in several areas. It’s a fantastic business model for the landlord and they rake in cash without the associated tax liability.

For now, we’ve seen this in Twinbrook, Aspen Hill, some areas of Silver Spring, Manor Woods, some of the areas in Rockville that are closer to Viers Mill, the areas off of Randolph Road.

Definitely anywhere the illegal investor can buy a home for less than $500K. I say illegal investor because these guys don’t follow any of the County’s rental regulations.

Not many homes going for less than 500k in the neighborhood west of the Town Center.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
People rent out a bed in SF.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/05/success/podshare-co-living/index.html

Why the heck is this a good thing? The rich person who can afford the house gets richer renting ‘pods’ for $1200 each and the pod-people are living like animals crammed in shelter cages. But hey - they get noodles and toilet paper so it’s great!

It's not really accurate to say that they're renting out a bed. It's basically a hostel - you get a bed, a place to put your stuff, and use of the common areas.

And the reason it's a good thing is: having housing is a good thing. As you may have heard, housing is in very, very short supply in San Francisco, and people are having trouble even living in their cars.

Then they need to go elsewhere!

This is a good reason to think about reinvigorating other parts of the country. We have space. Work on bringing companies to other parts of he country so that the jobs are more spread out. Don’t overcrowd areas that are already overcrowded!

People go where the jobs are. The companies go where the skilled labor is. It's a cycle not easily broken by well-wishing for Iowa or wherever. If silicon valley was in another place, they'd still have this problem, just there. Companies cannot find the talent they need in rural areas.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
People rent out a bed in SF.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/05/success/podshare-co-living/index.html

Why the heck is this a good thing? The rich person who can afford the house gets richer renting ‘pods’ for $1200 each and the pod-people are living like animals crammed in shelter cages. But hey - they get noodles and toilet paper so it’s great!

It's not really accurate to say that they're renting out a bed. It's basically a hostel - you get a bed, a place to put your stuff, and use of the common areas.

And the reason it's a good thing is: having housing is a good thing. As you may have heard, housing is in very, very short supply in San Francisco, and people are having trouble even living in their cars.

Then they need to go elsewhere!

This is a good reason to think about reinvigorating other parts of the country. We have space. Work on bringing companies to other parts of he country so that the jobs are more spread out. Don’t overcrowd areas that are already overcrowded!

People go where the jobs are. The companies go where the skilled labor is. It's a cycle not easily broken by well-wishing for Iowa or wherever. If silicon valley was in another place, they'd still have this problem, just there. Companies cannot find the talent they need in rural areas.

Yeah, the problem is that you have young educated professionals and they don’t want to move to Iowa. Neither do the executives who run the companies. They like to be in SF, NY, Boston. Sometimes you get a place like Pittsburgh that manages to create a cool alternative vibe. But it’s hard. Talk to Detroit—they have lots and lots of available housing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Where are you people living that you have multiple illegal immigrant families living in the same house? I live in Rockville West End and no house in my neighborhood has that.

Give it time.

We have seen this phenomenon increasing in several areas. It’s a fantastic business model for the landlord and they rake in cash without the associated tax liability.

For now, we’ve seen this in Twinbrook, Aspen Hill, some areas of Silver Spring, Manor Woods, some of the areas in Rockville that are closer to Viers Mill, the areas off of Randolph Road.

Definitely anywhere the illegal investor can buy a home for less than $500K. I say illegal investor because these guys don’t follow any of the County’s rental regulations.

Not many homes going for less than 500k in the neighborhood west of the Town Center.

And this is why wealthy liberals continue to vote for policies that encourage illegal immigration. Because it doesn’t affect them in a meaningful way. If their neighborhoods and school were actually being affected by the issues, maybe they would be more empathetic as to what middle class families in the County are facing.

[Anonymous]

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And this is why wealthy liberals continue to vote for policies that encourage illegal immigration. Because it doesn’t affect them in a meaningful way. If their neighborhoods and school were actually being affected by the issues, maybe they would be more empathetic as to what middle class families in the County are facing.

Do you even live in Montgomery County?

Rockville's West End is zoned for Beall ES.

http://gis.mcpsmd.org/ServiceAreaMaps/BeallES.pdf

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Where are you people living that you have multiple illegal immigrant families living in the same house? I live in Rockville West End and no house in my neighborhood has that.

Give it time.

We have seen this phenomenon increasing in several areas. It’s a fantastic business model for the landlord and they rake in cash without the associated tax liability.

For now, we’ve seen this in Twinbrook, Aspen Hill, some areas of Silver Spring, Manor Woods, some of the areas in Rockville that are closer to Viers Mill, the areas off of Randolph Road.

Definitely anywhere the illegal investor can buy a home for less than $500K. I say illegal investor because these guys don’t follow any of the County’s rental regulations.

Not many homes going for less than 500k in the neighborhood west of the Town Center.

And this is why wealthy liberals continue to vote for policies that encourage illegal immigration. Because it doesn’t affect them in a meaningful way. If their neighborhoods and school were actually being affected by the issues, maybe they would be more empathetic as to what middle class families in the County are facing.

You don't think people buying houses for 500-600k are middle class?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

And this is why wealthy liberals continue to vote for policies that encourage illegal immigration. Because it doesn’t affect them in a meaningful way. If their neighborhoods and school were actually being affected by the issues, maybe they would be more empathetic as to what middle class families in the County are facing.

Maybe you're talking about a different Montgomery County? In this Montgomery County, there's very little support for Trump's anti-immigrant policies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Where are you people living that you have multiple illegal immigrant families living in the same house? I live in Rockville West End and no house in my neighborhood has that.

Give it time.

We have seen this phenomenon increasing in several areas. It’s a fantastic business model for the landlord and they rake in cash without the associated tax liability.

For now, we’ve seen this in Twinbrook, Aspen Hill, some areas of Silver Spring, Manor Woods, some of the areas in Rockville that are closer to Viers Mill, the areas off of Randolph Road.

Definitely anywhere the illegal investor can buy a home for less than $500K. I say illegal investor because these guys don’t follow any of the County’s rental regulations.

Not many homes going for less than 500k in the neighborhood west of the Town Center.

And this is why wealthy liberals continue to vote for policies that encourage illegal immigration. Because it doesn’t affect them in a meaningful way. If their neighborhoods and school were actually being affected by the issues, maybe they would be more empathetic as to what middle class families in the County are facing.

You don't think people buying houses for 500-600k are middle class?

Not really. I'd say if you can afford a $550K home, you're probably doing pretty well. Even in this area, that's a decent chunk of change for housing. Maybe Upper Middle Class?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

And this is why wealthy liberals continue to vote for policies that encourage illegal immigration. Because it doesn’t affect them in a meaningful way. If their neighborhoods and school were actually being affected by the issues, maybe they would be more empathetic as to what middle class families in the County are facing.

Maybe you're talking about a different Montgomery County? In this Montgomery County, there's very little support for Trump's anti-immigrant policies.

Umm, what? I think you're confused because your response makes little sense.

I'm saying that there are ton of wealthy liberals in Montgomery County and they continue to support illegal immigration and CASA de Maryland. I agree that there is little support for Trump's anti-illegal immigration policies, and I see that as a bad thing. And, I'm saying that the reason all the wealthy liberals in Montgomery County are still supporting illegal immigration is because they are not negatively affected by it. It doesn't negatively affect their daily life, doesn't negatively affect their kids' schools, and doesn't negatively affect their neighborhoods. Rather, they benefit from the cheap labor.

And, that's why wealthy liberals continue to vote for policies that encourage illegal immigration.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

And this is why wealthy liberals continue to vote for policies that encourage illegal immigration. Because it doesn’t affect them in a meaningful way. If their neighborhoods and school were actually being affected by the issues, maybe they would be more empathetic as to what middle class families in the County are facing.

Do you even live in Montgomery County?

Rockville's West End is zoned for Beall ES.

http://gis.mcpsmd.org/ServiceAreaMaps/BeallES.pdf

Are you the same poster as the next two posts?? What is your point. Yes, it's zoned for Beall ES. It's not zoned for Weller Road, or Wheaton Woods ES.

Percentage of ESOL at Beall is 18%. Not very high.

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/02207.pdf

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Where are you people living that you have multiple illegal immigrant families living in the same house? I live in Rockville West End and no house in my neighborhood has that.

Give it time.

We have seen this phenomenon increasing in several areas. It’s a fantastic business model for the landlord and they rake in cash without the associated tax liability.

For now, we’ve seen this in Twinbrook, Aspen Hill, some areas of Silver Spring, Manor Woods, some of the areas in Rockville that are closer to Viers Mill, the areas off of Randolph Road.

Definitely anywhere the illegal investor can buy a home for less than $500K. I say illegal investor because these guys don’t follow any of the County’s rental regulations.

Not many homes going for less than 500k in the neighborhood west of the Town Center.

And this is why wealthy liberals continue to vote for policies that encourage illegal immigration. Because it doesn’t affect them in a meaningful way. If their neighborhoods and school were actually being affected by the issues, maybe they would be more empathetic as to what middle class families in the County are facing.

You don't think people buying houses for 500-600k are middle class?

Not really. I'd say if you can afford a $550K home, you're probably doing pretty well. Even in this area, that's a decent chunk of change for housing. Maybe Upper Middle Class?

I bought a 600k house with 20% down and a 110k HHI. I wouldn't consider myself "upper middle class". I just bought at the very top of my price range allowed by government DTI calculations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

And this is why wealthy liberals continue to vote for policies that encourage illegal immigration. Because it doesn’t affect them in a meaningful way. If their neighborhoods and school were actually being affected by the issues, maybe they would be more empathetic as to what middle class families in the County are facing.

Do you even live in Montgomery County?

Rockville's West End is zoned for Beall ES.

http://gis.mcpsmd.org/ServiceAreaMaps/BeallES.pdf

Are you the same poster as the next two posts?? What is your point. Yes, it's zoned for Beall ES. It's not zoned for Weller Road, or Wheaton Woods ES.

Percentage of ESOL at Beall is 18%. Not very high.

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/02207.pdf

18% is nearly 1 in 5 which is pretty high. It's 25% FARMS. I guess you're comparing it to neighborhoods that are dominated by people from central america?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

And this is why wealthy liberals continue to vote for policies that encourage illegal immigration. Because it doesn’t affect them in a meaningful way. If their neighborhoods and school were actually being affected by the issues, maybe they would be more empathetic as to what middle class families in the County are facing.

Do you even live in Montgomery County?

Rockville's West End is zoned for Beall ES.

http://gis.mcpsmd.org/ServiceAreaMaps/BeallES.pdf

Are you the same poster as the next two posts?? What is your point. Yes, it's zoned for Beall ES. It's not zoned for Weller Road, or Wheaton Woods ES.

Percentage of ESOL at Beall is 18%. Not very high.

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/02207.pdf

18% is nearly 1 in 5 which is pretty high. It's 25% FARMS. I guess you're comparing it to neighborhoods that are dominated by people from central america?

I guess we’ll have to disagree about that. 18% is quite low compared to many schools in the County.

Beall isn’t even designated as a Focus school and is certainly not Title 1.

Different argument, but i guess that makes a good argument for busing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Where are you people living that you have multiple illegal immigrant families living in the same house? I live in Rockville West End and no house in my neighborhood has that.

Give it time.

We have seen this phenomenon increasing in several areas. It’s a fantastic business model for the landlord and they rake in cash without the associated tax liability.

For now, we’ve seen this in Twinbrook, Aspen Hill, some areas of Silver Spring, Manor Woods, some of the areas in Rockville that are closer to Viers Mill, the areas off of Randolph Road.

Definitely anywhere the illegal investor can buy a home for less than $500K. I say illegal investor because these guys don’t follow any of the County’s rental regulations.

Also these are very common in a Gaithersburg, Germantown and Kemp Mill. Even up in Olney. There is a house in my sister’s neighborhood that is for sale that used to be an illegal rental. The neighbors are hoping it’s not purchased by another slum landlord.

Don’t assume that all these illegal apartments are being rented to Central Americans or other Latinos either. The home on our street that is an illegal rental is rented to a Portuguese Brazilian family and they essentially look White. Some of the other ones are rented to Asians, Jews, Africans, etc.

This is not something limited to illegal immigrants from Central America.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

And this is why wealthy liberals continue to vote for policies that encourage illegal immigration. Because it doesn’t affect them in a meaningful way. If their neighborhoods and school were actually being affected by the issues, maybe they would be more empathetic as to what middle class families in the County are facing.

Do you even live in Montgomery County?

Rockville's West End is zoned for Beall ES.

http://gis.mcpsmd.org/ServiceAreaMaps/BeallES.pdf

Are you the same poster as the next two posts?? What is your point. Yes, it's zoned for Beall ES. It's not zoned for Weller Road, or Wheaton Woods ES.

Percentage of ESOL at Beall is 18%. Not very high.

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/02207.pdf

18% is nearly 1 in 5 which is pretty high. It's 25% FARMS. I guess you're comparing it to neighborhoods that are dominated by people from central america?

I guess we’ll have to disagree about that. 18% is quite low compared to many schools in the County.

Beall isn’t even designated as a Focus school and is certainly not Title 1.

Different argument, but i guess that makes a good argument for busing.

Title 1 has nothing to do with this multi-family zoning unless you're afraid of poor people. I'm not sure how Beall would be a good argument for busing? It's extremely diverse. 25% asian, 12% black, 24% hispanic, 34% white. You can look at the link you submitted. Good luck using that as the poster child for busing.