"Adult Swim" is a Violation of the Federal Fair Housing Act- discriminates against families???

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The fair housing act can discriminate against age. It's the only demographic that does allow discrimination. Hence senior living communities where you have to be over a certain age to live there.

55+ communities are a codified exception to federal fair housing laws.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It is also easier to schedule the day. We leave at the next adult swim, etc.

The clock has sixty little section on it and five big ones and four quarters and one top of the hour and one half and they can be used freely to schedule private functions without affecting the rest of the population.

[Anonymous]

My HOA pool still has the rule, how one goes about changing it legally?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I would not have a problem with getting kids out of the lap lanes even for half hour every hour if you must but getting kids out of the water entirely was so insane. Some days are so unbearable hot and getting them out of the water just because one person had to stay in the pool?
Nobody asked for this and someone made this insane rule while it is mostly families with kids and not solo swimmers by the pools.

Actually, in most pools kids are required to be out of the lap lanes the ENTIRE TIME that someone is trying to swim laps, not just for a half hour every hour. The second that an adult starts swimming laps in a designated lap lane, every single (non lap-swimming) child should immediately skeddadle out of that lane and stay out until the lap swimmer is done. it’s ok if they need to cross the lane to get to a ladder but they should be carefull not to impede the progress of the lap swimmer.

If you’re not teaching your children this, you’re not doing your job. I always feel bad for kids who look embarrassed when I tell them they’re not allowed to be in the lane - I try to be kind about it ( but firm) because I know that it’s not their fault that their parents aren’t teaching them basic manners.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My HOA pool still has the rule, how one goes about changing it legally?

One doesn't.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s a safety check — of the bottom of the pool!

I don't understand this. Every 45 minutes they check the bottom of the pool for what? A kid can drown in minutes. If they don't notice someone at the bottom of the pool for 45 minutes, that person would be dead.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My HOA pool still has the rule, how one goes about changing it legally?

Send your HOA a certified letter pointing out Fair Housing ACT. If they are not responsive, file a claim with HUD on their website.

[Anonymous]

I'm on a pool board. These breaks are needed so the lifeguards can have a break and all the children return to their parents to check in, it's a safety check that everyone is accounted for, sure hasn't drowned, hasn't wandered off.... Far too many parents use the pool as a free babysitting service. I think it would do a disservice to the children to NOT have these breaks. And my kids have been swimming there and taking the breaks for over a decade before I joined the board. What's so bad about taking a pee break, reapplying sun screen, getting a non chlorinated drink of water, etc?

If you outlaw these breaks or "adult swim" we will just call it something else. The pool will close 15 minutes out of every hour for "lifeguard breaks" and NO ONE will be able to swim.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would not have a problem with getting kids out of the lap lanes even for half hour every hour if you must but getting kids out of the water entirely was so insane. Some days are so unbearable hot and getting them out of the water just because one person had to stay in the pool?
Nobody asked for this and someone made this insane rule while it is mostly families with kids and not solo swimmers by the pools.

Actually, in most pools kids are required to be out of the lap lanes the ENTIRE TIME that someone is trying to swim laps, not just for a half hour every hour. The second that an adult starts swimming laps in a designated lap lane, every single (non lap-swimming) child should immediately skeddadle out of that lane and stay out until the lap swimmer is done. it’s ok if they need to cross the lane to get to a ladder but they should be carefull not to impede the progress of the lap swimmer.

If you’re not teaching your children this, you’re not doing your job. I always feel bad for kids who look embarrassed when I tell them they’re not allowed to be in the lane - I try to be kind about it ( but firm) because I know that it’s not their fault that their parents aren’t teaching them basic manners.

We have lap lanes and kids usually not to go in there even if nobody is there. We have few people doing laps where there are no lanes. Kids are expected to get out of their way also and they usually do.
We also allow people to read books in the pool. Kids have to splash less or none when somebody with a book enters the pool.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My HOA pool still has the rule, how one goes about changing it legally?

One doesn't.

One does.
Please read the link below and there is also an e-mail where you can e-mail your pool rules. Not sure if they have time to look at them though.
https://fairhousingact.org/illegal-pool-rules-under-the-fair-housing-act-familial-status-and-disability-discrimination-in-print-recognize-any-of-these/
Our pool rules are so crazy that almost every visitor gets in trouble, even the grown-ups.

[Anonymous]

Would this be a violation at a private swim club?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would not have a problem with getting kids out of the lap lanes even for half hour every hour if you must but getting kids out of the water entirely was so insane. Some days are so unbearable hot and getting them out of the water just because one person had to stay in the pool?
Nobody asked for this and someone made this insane rule while it is mostly families with kids and not solo swimmers by the pools.

Actually, in most pools kids are required to be out of the lap lanes the ENTIRE TIME that someone is trying to swim laps, not just for a half hour every hour. The second that an adult starts swimming laps in a designated lap lane, every single (non lap-swimming) child should immediately skeddadle out of that lane and stay out until the lap swimmer is done. it’s ok if they need to cross the lane to get to a ladder but they should be carefull not to impede the progress of the lap swimmer.

If you’re not teaching your children this, you’re not doing your job. I always feel bad for kids who look embarrassed when I tell them they’re not allowed to be in the lane - I try to be kind about it ( but firm) because I know that it’s not their fault that their parents aren’t teaching them basic manners.

We have lap lanes and kids usually not to go in there even if nobody is there. We have few people doing laps where there are no lanes. Kids are expected to get out of their way also and they usually do.
We also allow people to read books in the pool. Kids have to splash less or none when somebody with a book enters the pool.

I never knew about the lap thing or the book thing until now.

My personal view on this is that people are annoyed because they feel entitled to have the pool their way because of their “fees.” The thing is that no one is forcing anyone to pay for these pools- so unless the HOA mandated fees include pool upkeep, there is no reason to sue. HOA pools are a service at that point- and not under FHA rules.

Which means these local pool fees will skyrocket.

I think there are valid reasons to keep adult swim/lap swim and naysayers should really just go and get a house with their own pool.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm so glad about it. It's about time.
You don't decide whether my kid is tired or not. I decide that. Do I get 25% discount on my kids since pool is not available to them 15 minutes in an hour?
If lifeguards need a break, then all need to come out of the water. Nobody should decide who gets to be in it and how long based on gender, age,race or what have you.
If you decide that my kid needs a break, maybe your grandma needs a break and you. The sun can make anybody need a break.
If my kid needs to use a bathroom, maybe your grandma should use a bathroom and change her swim-diaper.
We don't decide who takes a break and who doesn't based somebody's age. Same goes for swimming ability-you don't decide that my 8-year old who can swim, can't swim but your grandma who never learned to swim can, or she woudln't be in the pool. Grandma can't swim but nobody would suspect her because why is grandma at the pool. So, while you are too busy getting the kids out who have guardians more likely than not, you don't see grandma drowning because grandma adult and you expect grandma to know better. Grandma lost her top long ago and wondered to the pool.
Even when experience tells you that kids need saving more often than grandmas, you don't decide to keep them out at some point. And if you do, the same break applies to all. What's the big deal if breaks are so important?
They are not important. They are there to give grown-ups the time and many have come to love that time. Even if you love that time and have convinced yourself that this is the best for the kids, it's against FHA.
You don't want kids at your pool, you go to grown-ups only pool. You want kids out, you also take the grown-ups out for the same amount. Problem solved and all happy. Don't argue with the law. Go change it if you don't like it, but don't act like it isn't there. In fact, it's time to apply it.
You want grown-up only time, match it with children only time. All happy, all get a break at some point. except grown-ups don't want the break. Well, neither do kids.

Let me guess, you don’t vaccinate either, do you?

And will be the first to sue when her exhausted child has a serious injury in the pool.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:An attorney in Gaithersburg is alleging that "adult swim" time at HOA/COA run pools is a violation of the Fair Housing Act. He claims adult only swim time discriminates against families because it means "certain members of the family can’t use the pool when other individuals can." So his HOA pool is renaming that break time to "lap swim time".

https://www.fox5dc.com/amp/news/local-news/controversy-brewing-over-adults-only-swim-time-in-gaithersburg-community?fbclid=IwAR1bFAdUI2vpOXX28--83q8mm4utzCoJ2bVS_qKS8VgsXtZKYwPHbggozDI#.XO6VqKqQGmg.facebook

Seriously, what is this world coming to?

Adults with families are allowed in the pool during adult swim, and being under 15 is not "familial status."

[Anonymous]

If your HOA is too cheap to pay for multiple lifeguards, (ahem Fairlington Villages), then you have a full 15 minute break every hour so the single lifeguard on duty for 10-12 hours can test the water, eat something, and use the restroom. I would have gladly had a raise in our monthly fees so we could afford 2 guards per pool, but the Board was too worried about the community getting angry over an increase. (I saw the budgets and sat on an adhoc budget committee, and there wasn't a lot of wiggle room there.)