Virginia Tech gets 1,000 more freshman than last year

[Anonymous]

There is no where to put these kids. There are over 8000 kids that accepted on May 1st. They expected 6600. They are hoping it gets down to at 7500 before August. This is a train wreck

https://www.roanoke.com/news/education/higher_education/virginia_tech/virginia-tech-pushing-capacity-after-admitting-larger-than-anticipated-freshman/article_6e490329-20c5-5ac9-9d23-b12dac164aa0.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There is no where to put these kids. There are over 8000 kids that accepted on May 1st. They expected 6600. They are hoping it gets down to at 7500 before August. This is a train wreck

https://www.roanoke.com/news/education/higher_education/virginia_tech/virginia-tech-pushing-capacity-after-admitting-larger-than-anticipated-freshman/article_6e490329-20c5-5ac9-9d23-b12dac164aa0.html

This is a train wreck. There might be kids that, had they known the situation with housing, etc., might have decided they didn't want this, and enrolled at another school. Now May 1st has come on and gone, and they are stuck. Did they really not know until after May 1 that things were headed this way? They could have put out some warnings...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is no where to put these kids. There are over 8000 kids that accepted on May 1st. They expected 6600. They are hoping it gets down to at 7500 before August. This is a train wreck

https://www.roanoke.com/news/education/higher_education/virginia_tech/virginia-tech-pushing-capacity-after-admitting-larger-than-anticipated-freshman/article_6e490329-20c5-5ac9-9d23-b12dac164aa0.html

This is a train wreck. There might be kids that, had they known the situation with housing, etc., might have decided they didn't want this, and enrolled at another school. Now May 1st has come on and gone, and they are stuck. Did they really not know until after May 1 that things were headed this way? They could have put out some warnings...

They can see trends. UVA posted before May 1st about how the numbers looked.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is no where to put these kids. There are over 8000 kids that accepted on May 1st. They expected 6600. They are hoping it gets down to at 7500 before August. This is a train wreck

https://www.roanoke.com/news/education/higher_education/virginia_tech/virginia-tech-pushing-capacity-after-admitting-larger-than-anticipated-freshman/article_6e490329-20c5-5ac9-9d23-b12dac164aa0.html

This is a train wreck. There might be kids that, had they known the situation with housing, etc., might have decided they didn't want this, and enrolled at another school. Now May 1st has come on and gone, and they are stuck. Did they really not know until after May 1 that things were headed this way? They could have put out some warnings...

That’s not how any of this works. Why would any university “warn” students from attending?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is no where to put these kids. There are over 8000 kids that accepted on May 1st. They expected 6600. They are hoping it gets down to at 7500 before August. This is a train wreck

https://www.roanoke.com/news/education/higher_education/virginia_tech/virginia-tech-pushing-capacity-after-admitting-larger-than-anticipated-freshman/article_6e490329-20c5-5ac9-9d23-b12dac164aa0.html

This is a train wreck. There might be kids that, had they known the situation with housing, etc., might have decided they didn't want this, and enrolled at another school. Now May 1st has come on and gone, and they are stuck. Did they really not know until after May 1 that things were headed this way? They could have put out some warnings...

That’s not how any of this works. Why would any university “warn” students from attending?

It’s the way things should work if there are way too many kids accepted and attending. With this housing situation it would change it from a first choice for many. And the warning could have solved this problem. Now the students are stuck with it.

[Anonymous]

Harbinger of things to come?

Middle and upper middle class families finally turning their backs to expensive private colleges?

I bet most of the extra 1k freshmen are because they sat down with their parents and looked at the cost of going to a private college and this was the year that many extra people just couldn't justify it anymore. So the claim that had they known of over-enrollment they wouldn't have signed up probably doesn't cut the cake.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Harbinger of things to come?

Middle and upper middle class families finally turning their backs to expensive private colleges?

I bet most of the extra 1k freshmen are because they sat down with their parents and looked at the cost of going to a private college and this was the year that many extra people just couldn't justify it anymore. So the claim that had they known of over-enrollment they wouldn't have signed up probably doesn't cut the cake.

this happens every year - this is not new. If Virginia Tech was under-enrolled, now THAT would make news. Bad news.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Harbinger of things to come?

Middle and upper middle class families finally turning their backs to expensive private colleges?

I bet most of the extra 1k freshmen are because they sat down with their parents and looked at the cost of going to a private college and this was the year that many extra people just couldn't justify it anymore. So the claim that had they known of over-enrollment they wouldn't have signed up probably doesn't cut the cake.

DH went to public college but I went to private. DH thinks everyone should just go to their state college and I am coming around to it for other reasons. I really do think grad school is the new college, and we are not independently wealthy & do work for a living as will our kids - so I think they should do state college for undergrad and save the extra money for grad school now, as opposed to private college (unless they get into my Alma mater which is probably unlikely!). We will see how we all feel about this when they’re older - they’re still young.

Anyway - I did read in the articles linked here that this is the most diverse group of freshman in terms of race and first generation going to college. So to the extent VT wants any “help” here - it might be cool if orgs that promote college diversity and first generation college students help out with ideas. This might be cropping up at other colleges in the future as well and it might be a joint goal for everyone to help colleges handle these increased numbers nicely.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Harbinger of things to come?

Middle and upper middle class families finally turning their backs to expensive private colleges?

I bet most of the extra 1k freshmen are because they sat down with their parents and looked at the cost of going to a private college and this was the year that many extra people just couldn't justify it anymore. So the claim that had they known of over-enrollment they wouldn't have signed up probably doesn't cut the cake.

There is literally NO way you could know this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:UPDATE: Freshman class is currently 8,026. They are hoping 500+ will withdraw.

https://talk.collegeconfidential.com/virginia-tech/2141529-note-from-the-director-regarding-the-fall-2019-freshman-waiting-list-official.html#latest

Tech used to be so good at math. Wut happened?

Math Emporium.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Harbinger of things to come?

Middle and upper middle class families finally turning their backs to expensive private colleges?

I bet most of the extra 1k freshmen are because they sat down with their parents and looked at the cost of going to a private college and this was the year that many extra people just couldn't justify it anymore. So the claim that had they known of over-enrollment they wouldn't have signed up probably doesn't cut the cake.

DH went to public college but I went to private. DH thinks everyone should just go to their state college and I am coming around to it for other reasons. I really do think grad school is the new college, and we are not independently wealthy & do work for a living as will our kids - so I think they should do state college for undergrad and save the extra money for grad school now, as opposed to private college (unless they get into my Alma mater which is probably unlikely!). We will see how we all feel about this when they’re older - they’re still young.

Anyway - I did read in the articles linked here that this is the most diverse group of freshman in terms of race and first generation going to college. So to the extent VT wants any “help” here - it might be cool if orgs that promote college diversity and first generation college students help out with ideas. This might be cropping up at other colleges in the future as well and it might be a joint goal for everyone to help colleges handle these increased numbers nicely.

Not everyone has to pay full freight, even donut hole and rich people. My DD had 3 school offers that came in lower than her flagship UMCP, which comes to almost 30K with all the added fees. You really have to pay attention to added costs per major, fees, and if your deposit even goes towards your tuition, etc... And Virginia has some of the most expensive in-state tuition. There are more OOS schools with merit packages that are much cheaper, even before looking at privates. Sure, you can't get merit aid at ivy and tippy top schools, but there are some serious good privates , SLAC's and tech schools that offer stellar merit and/or financial aid packages to make it worth going.

I am not saying there is anything wrong with in-state schools, but don't just settle because you think it is the cheapest. Look around and compare. Also compare housing costs sophomore to senior year. Some big state schools have very expensive off campus housing that charge by the person and are even pricier than campus housing. UMCP being one of them. I mean who is paying $900 a month (for minimum 12 months) plus utilities to share tiny apartments in College Park? Insane.

The other thing to look at is 4 year graduation rates. Many state schools are so overcrowded (VT will be one of them) that kids get bumped out of required courses and it takes 4.5 to 5 years to graduate. And then you are paying another year of all those extra fees and tuition. One less year of earning wages at a FT job too. My DD ended up in a school we are paying about $5K more than in state, but their freshman retention rates is over 95%, 4 graduation rates are over 85%, and many kids are graduating with a masters in 4-4.5 years. She can use her merit scholarship to get her masters and she doesn't have to take the GRE or apply to grad schools. All which cost money and take time. So for us, the extra $5K for 4 years is worth the investment.

And no, not everyone goes to grad schools. Sure, med and law students have to. But if you are smart, you get a great package for a BA/BS and get your employer to pay for your graduate school. My daughter might end up doing that as her major does have a lot of that. And many jobs are just fine with just a BA/BS

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Harbinger of things to come?

Middle and upper middle class families finally turning their backs to expensive private colleges?

I bet most of the extra 1k freshmen are because they sat down with their parents and looked at the cost of going to a private college and this was the year that many extra people just couldn't justify it anymore. So the claim that had they known of over-enrollment they wouldn't have signed up probably doesn't cut the cake.

DH went to public college but I went to private. DH thinks everyone should just go to their state college and I am coming around to it for other reasons. I really do think grad school is the new college, and we are not independently wealthy & do work for a living as will our kids - so I think they should do state college for undergrad and save the extra money for grad school now, as opposed to private college (unless they get into my Alma mater which is probably unlikely!). We will see how we all feel about this when they’re older - they’re still young.

Anyway - I did read in the articles linked here that this is the most diverse group of freshman in terms of race and first generation going to college. So to the extent VT wants any “help” here - it might be cool if orgs that promote college diversity and first generation college students help out with ideas. This might be cropping up at other colleges in the future as well and it might be a joint goal for everyone to help colleges handle these increased numbers nicely.

Not everyone has to pay full freight, even donut hole and rich people. My DD had 3 school offers that came in lower than her flagship UMCP, which comes to almost 30K with all the added fees. You really have to pay attention to added costs per major, fees, and if your deposit even goes towards your tuition, etc... And Virginia has some of the most expensive in-state tuition. There are more OOS schools with merit packages that are much cheaper, even before looking at privates. Sure, you can't get merit aid at ivy and tippy top schools, but there are some serious good privates , SLAC's and tech schools that offer stellar merit and/or financial aid packages to make it worth going.

I am not saying there is anything wrong with in-state schools, but don't just settle because you think it is the cheapest. Look around and compare. Also compare housing costs sophomore to senior year. Some big state schools have very expensive off campus housing that charge by the person and are even pricier than campus housing. UMCP being one of them. I mean who is paying $900 a month (for minimum 12 months) plus utilities to share tiny apartments in College Park? Insane.

The other thing to look at is 4 year graduation rates. Many state schools are so overcrowded (VT will be one of them) that kids get bumped out of required courses and it takes 4.5 to 5 years to graduate. And then you are paying another year of all those extra fees and tuition. One less year of earning wages at a FT job too. My DD ended up in a school we are paying about $5K more than in state, but their freshman retention rates is over 95%, 4 graduation rates are over 85%, and many kids are graduating with a masters in 4-4.5 years. She can use her merit scholarship to get her masters and she doesn't have to take the GRE or apply to grad schools. All which cost money and take time. So for us, the extra $5K for 4 years is worth the investment.

And no, not everyone goes to grad schools. Sure, med and law students have to. But if you are smart, you get a great package for a BA/BS and get your employer to pay for your graduate school. My daughter might end up doing that as her major does have a lot of that. And many jobs are just fine with just a BA/BS

VT 4 year graduation rate is already only 61%. That is abysmal for a tech school that doesn't rely on co-ops. Huge red flag

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:UPDATE: Freshman class is currently 8,026. They are hoping 500+ will withdraw.

https://talk.collegeconfidential.com/virginia-tech/2141529-note-from-the-director-regarding-the-fall-2019-freshman-waiting-list-official.html#latest

Tech used to be so good at math. Wut happened?

Math Emporium.

+1

[Anonymous]

Housing and class size will be outrageous for years to come. I hope my kid just goes to George Mason and can live at home if housing is overcrowded.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Harbinger of things to come?

Middle and upper middle class families finally turning their backs to expensive private colleges?

I bet most of the extra 1k freshmen are because they sat down with their parents and looked at the cost of going to a private college and this was the year that many extra people just couldn't justify it anymore. So the claim that had they known of over-enrollment they wouldn't have signed up probably doesn't cut the cake.

DH went to public college but I went to private. DH thinks everyone should just go to their state college and I am coming around to it for other reasons. I really do think grad school is the new college, and we are not independently wealthy & do work for a living as will our kids - so I think they should do state college for undergrad and save the extra money for grad school now, as opposed to private college (unless they get into my Alma mater which is probably unlikely!). We will see how we all feel about this when they’re older - they’re still young.

Anyway - I did read in the articles linked here that this is the most diverse group of freshman in terms of race and first generation going to college. So to the extent VT wants any “help” here - it might be cool if orgs that promote college diversity and first generation college students help out with ideas. This might be cropping up at other colleges in the future as well and it might be a joint goal for everyone to help colleges handle these increased numbers nicely.

Not everyone has to pay full freight, even donut hole and rich people. My DD had 3 school offers that came in lower than her flagship UMCP, which comes to almost 30K with all the added fees. You really have to pay attention to added costs per major, fees, and if your deposit even goes towards your tuition, etc... And Virginia has some of the most expensive in-state tuition. There are more OOS schools with merit packages that are much cheaper, even before looking at privates. Sure, you can't get merit aid at ivy and tippy top schools, but there are some serious good privates , SLAC's and tech schools that offer stellar merit and/or financial aid packages to make it worth going.

I am not saying there is anything wrong with in-state schools, but don't just settle because you think it is the cheapest. Look around and compare. Also compare housing costs sophomore to senior year. Some big state schools have very expensive off campus housing that charge by the person and are even pricier than campus housing. UMCP being one of them. I mean who is paying $900 a month (for minimum 12 months) plus utilities to share tiny apartments in College Park? Insane.

The other thing to look at is 4 year graduation rates. Many state schools are so overcrowded (VT will be one of them) that kids get bumped out of required courses and it takes 4.5 to 5 years to graduate. And then you are paying another year of all those extra fees and tuition. One less year of earning wages at a FT job too. My DD ended up in a school we are paying about $5K more than in state, but their freshman retention rates is over 95%, 4 graduation rates are over 85%, and many kids are graduating with a masters in 4-4.5 years. She can use her merit scholarship to get her masters and she doesn't have to take the GRE or apply to grad schools. All which cost money and take time. So for us, the extra $5K for 4 years is worth the investment.

And no, not everyone goes to grad schools. Sure, med and law students have to. But if you are smart, you get a great package for a BA/BS and get your employer to pay for your graduate school. My daughter might end up doing that as her major does have a lot of that. And many jobs are just fine with just a BA/BS

VT 4 year graduation rate is already only 61%. That is abysmal for a tech school that doesn't rely on co-ops. Huge red flag

Huh? Just perusing, that seems about typical for state schools that are in VT's range on US News...Purdue is 51%, TAMU is 54%, Clemson is 59%, UW-madison is 61%, Washington is 65%, Colorado School of Mines is 55%, NC State is 50%, Indiana University is 63%, UGA is 63%, UT Austin is 58%, Ohio State is 59%, Florida State 63%...what am I missing?