incidents at W schools disproportionately represented in media/DCUM?

[Anonymous]

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Yes, and with kids at MCPS. Now, where's the incident data?

Found the incident data:
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/SafetyGlance/currentyear/SafetyGlance2018.pdf

page 434 (PDF page 450) shows out of school suspension rates by gender and race. Again, we need more diversity in who gets suspended.

Then it's per high school on preceding pages.

Whitman in on page 405 (PDF page 422) and had 1 serious incident where police were called -- a physical or verbal threat.

Wheaton is on the page before that, with 9 serious incident calls: 4 drugs, 2 threats, 3 weapons.

Our kids are not high school age yet, but I think we'll stay in the Whitman cluster. I think my DD is going to be a lot safer there compared to Wheaton.

Your daughter is more likely too be raped by a white guy.

Neither Wheaton nor Whitman had any reported rapes in the most recent report.

You think they report every rape on the weekends... or any.

She probably won’t even tell you.

Bret’s and Squis are everywhere in W schools.

Have you seen 13 reasons... if not you should educate yourself.

The schools generally don't report to police incidents that happened during the weekend, off school grounds. Those show up in the county crime reports instead, already cited earlier in this thread.

And in those reports, you can see the Bethesda (2nd district) has a lower rate for all violent crimes compared to every other district in MoCo.

So, Bethesda district has a lower crime rate, and Bethesda schools have a lower crime rate, than elsewhere in MoCo.

Sure, it could be that people are underreporting in that one district, and all other districts are not.. but I just don't think that's likely. Perhaps violent crimes, both in school and outside of it, are just lower in Bethesda?

No. White girls are not raped less in Bethesda it’s just that they don’t report it. Just wait until college.

You will never know though because she won’t tell you.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes when a kid at Whitman uses the N word people react like when a public official says it, when a kid at Kennedy uses it people just roll their eyes and say that is what Kennedy kids do. We govern our schools with the same expectations we govern the classes

Always amazed that there are so many people who think it's so unfair that white kids don't get to say that word.

Always amazed that black people think that you can punish one side but not the other. Test scores not good enough-let em in. Not enough money-let them live there anyway. Data makes us look bad, that’s racist. Too many criminals, system is racist too.

If you want a social construct where one side can use it and the other can’t what ever, still means the same thing. But legal is black and white, schools either allow it or don’t. And who wants to bet the poor kids at Kennedy are going around using the N word left and right? I’ll take that bet

Doo you believe that crack addicts are treated the same as cocaine addicts?

Crimes involving crack tend to be more violent, including crimes committed by the addicts, compared to cocaine. As with all crimes, violence is an aggravating factor leading to more severe punishment.

No they are not. There have been hundreds of studies done about that.

You just believe black people are more violent and associate crack with black and have drawn your own conclusion ... which is literally the definition of racist.

You probably think declaring bankruptcy is a fine way to screw people out of money too.

Here's one on NIH's site:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4533860/

... Vaughn et al. (2010) found that crack was associated with higher likelihood of violence in bivariable analyses, there was no increased likelihood for violence after controlling for demographics, mood disorders, and other substance use disorders.

On a pure numbers level (without controlling for other factors) crack was indeed associated with a higher level of violence...

[Anonymous]

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No. White girls are not raped less in Bethesda it’s just that they don’t report it. Just wait until college.

You will never know though because she won’t tell you.

So white girls in Bethesda are raped at an equal rate as white girls in all other parts of MoCo, yet only the white girls in Bethesda choose not to report it?

[Anonymous]

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No. White girls are not raped less in Bethesda it’s just that they don’t report it. Just wait until college.

You will never know though because she won’t tell you.

So white girls in Bethesda are raped at an equal rate as white girls in all other parts of MoCo, yet only the white girls in Bethesda choose not to report it?

Where does Kavanagh live again?

[Anonymous]

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Yes, and with kids at MCPS. Now, where's the incident data?

Found the incident data:
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/SafetyGlance/currentyear/SafetyGlance2018.pdf

page 434 (PDF page 450) shows out of school suspension rates by gender and race. Again, we need more diversity in who gets suspended.

Then it's per high school on preceding pages.

Whitman in on page 405 (PDF page 422) and had 1 serious incident where police were called -- a physical or verbal threat.

Wheaton is on the page before that, with 9 serious incident calls: 4 drugs, 2 threats, 3 weapons.

Our kids are not high school age yet, but I think we'll stay in the Whitman cluster. I think my DD is going to be a lot safer there compared to Wheaton.

NP, and you have to consider what the other "threats" are that don't get reported: how much anxiety, depression, suicide, substance use? How stressed are the kids? Every school has its trade-offs; think about which of the negatives are most likely to affect your particular kids.

I wouldn't touch Whitman with a ten-foot pole.

Those are individual issues so if our DD is facing them, we can get her help. In other words, we can control it.

What we can't control is weapons, drugs, and assaults in the school, since our DD is more likely to be a victim then a perpetuator of them. So I'd take the option where those are less likely, based on statistics.

It's the same reason we prefer to live in a lower-crime neighborhood.

Same here and, something previous PP apparently doesn't know, schools with higher safety problems most often also have higher mental health problems.

Maybe some psychiatric disorders, but if you think kids at W schools don't suffer from mood, anxiety, eating disorders, substance abuse, etc., I have a bridge to sell you.

[Anonymous]

https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/POL/Resources/Files/PDF/PDResources/MCPD_Annual%20Report%20Crime%20Safety_2018.pdf

MoCo crime in 2018:

Bethesda district:
Population: 189,266
Crimes against a person: 606

Silver Spring district:
Population: 160,640
Crimes against a person: 1,237

(page 24 in the report)

So either:

a) Silver Spring has more crime than Bethesda
or
b) More than half of crime victims in Bethesda fail to report the crime

[Anonymous]

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No. White girls are not raped less in Bethesda it’s just that they don’t report it. Just wait until college.

You will never know though because she won’t tell you.

So white girls in Bethesda are raped at an equal rate as white girls in all other parts of MoCo, yet only the white girls in Bethesda choose not to report it?

Where does Kavanagh live again?

Chevy Chase

[Anonymous]

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Maybe some psychiatric disorders, but if you think kids at W schools don't suffer from mood, anxiety, eating disorders, substance abuse, etc., I have a bridge to sell you.

I'm sure they do, and I'm sure kids at non-W schools suffer from these as well.

[Anonymous]

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Maybe some psychiatric disorders, but if you think kids at W schools don't suffer from mood, anxiety, eating disorders, substance abuse, etc., I have a bridge to sell you.

https://escholarship.org/uc/item/1k70k3fd

Many people (incorrectly) believe that eating disorders (ED) are more prevalent in the higher socioeconomic status (SES) groups. ... Recent studies using health questionnaires distributed to large heterogeneous populations have shown that EDs equally effect all people, regardless of SES. These studies have also demonstrated that females of the lower SES group report higher rates of disordered eating behavior (vomiting, use of diet pills, diuretics, or laxatives as a means to lose weight).

[Anonymous]

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Maybe some psychiatric disorders, but if you think kids at W schools don't suffer from mood, anxiety, eating disorders, substance abuse, etc., I have a bridge to sell you.

https://escholarship.org/uc/item/1k70k3fd

Many people (incorrectly) believe that eating disorders (ED) are more prevalent in the higher socioeconomic status (SES) groups. ... Recent studies using health questionnaires distributed to large heterogeneous populations have shown that EDs equally effect all people, regardless of SES. These studies have also demonstrated that females of the lower SES group report higher rates of disordered eating behavior (vomiting, use of diet pills, diuretics, or laxatives as a means to lose weight).

Sure.

Look, you can pick a statistic and bend it to fit your narrative that the Ws are magical, fantastical places with no problems at all. Fine. Do the non-W schools have problems? Of course. I don't stick my head in the sand about them, though, the way that many W parents seem to.

[Anonymous]

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Sure.

Look, you can pick a statistic and bend it to fit your narrative that the Ws are magical, fantastical places with no problems at all. Fine. Do the non-W schools have problems? Of course. I don't stick my head in the sand about them, though, the way that many W parents seem to.

I don't thikn the W schools are problem-free by any means.. I just think they have fewer problems than some of the non-W schools.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yes when a kid at Whitman uses the N word people react like when a public official says it, when a kid at Kennedy uses it people just roll their eyes and say that is what Kennedy kids do. We govern our schools with the same expectations we govern the classes

Always amazed that there are so many people who think it's so unfair that white kids don't get to say that word.

Always amazed that black people think that you can punish one side but not the other. Test scores not good enough-let em in. Not enough money-let them live there anyway. Data makes us look bad, that’s racist. Too many criminals, system is racist too.

If you want a social construct where one side can use it and the other can’t what ever, still means the same thing. But legal is black and white, schools either allow it or don’t. And who wants to bet the poor kids at Kennedy are going around using the N word left and right? I’ll take that bet

Doo you believe that crack addicts are treated the same as cocaine addicts?

No. It crack addicts are treat the same as meth heads. Cocaine is a rich person thing so there is a cushion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think W issues/biases/info are over reported on DCUM because W schools are over represented here.

Exactly. And face it, most of MCPS is low-performing and not getting much better.

Those areas are desperate for W cluster kids to get sent to their schools to see if they'll improve the academics and culture.

But to get what they want they have to blow every little incident at a W out of proportion to justify breaking up the clusters.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think W issues/biases/info are over reported on DCUM because W schools are over represented here.

Exactly. And face it, most of MCPS is low-performing and not getting much better.

Those areas are desperate for W cluster kids to get sent to their schools to see if they'll improve the academics and culture.

But to get what they want they have to blow every little incident at a W out of proportion to justify breaking up the clusters.

If nothing it's clear W kids would not improve the culture at any place.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think W issues/biases/info are over reported on DCUM because W schools are over represented here.

Exactly. And face it, most of MCPS is low-performing and not getting much better.

Those areas are desperate for W cluster kids to get sent to their schools to see if they'll improve the academics and culture.

But to get what they want they have to blow every little incident at a W out of proportion to justify breaking up the clusters.

If nothing it's clear W kids would not improve the culture at any place.

Great, no need for redistricting then!