Student accepted at 115 colleges

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Where was the college counselor in all of this? Think of the 114 students who may not have received their top choices. Lots of URM students were hurt by this, made upset by this or had college plans change permanently because this woman wanted to trophy hunt. Can't the Common Black application exercise some control here along with the college counselor (assuming parents are asleep at the switch or uninvolved)

Most people don't have a college counselor. She is in her right to apply to as many school as she wants and what happens to other kids is not her issue. I would have mine apply to as many as possible to make sure they get in somewhere. There is always the possibility kids only apply 6-8 schools and get in none. Its happened.

Wrong. All publics have college counselors. BTW, this appears to be a habit at this particular public school. This boy got into 83 colleges in 2018. Such a waste and abuse of the system. Other URMs really wanted those seats. https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/25/this-new-orleans-teen-was-accepted-by-over-80-colleges.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This behavior costs admissions people time and energy and for every school that accepted her, some student was rejected--maybe an URM who really wanted to go there.

That's not how this works. For elite schools, you have no idea whether you will get in, barring multi-million dollar donations. For the very good schools with competitive admissions proccesses, the waitlists are large and at most she bumped a person from the waitlist that was never getting in. But for the vast majority of the schools that she was likely admitted to, there was little to no admissions process. She is a URM and a first-gen college student. She has 5 siblings, including one with serious health concerns. She plans to be a teacher. A full-ride (or very close) is probably more important to her than many of the things she would find out on a tour. And you only know that after you apply. Look at the schools that she was reported as considering:

Louisiana State University, Valparaiso University, University of North Texas, Fisk University, Randolph University, Brandeis University, and Mississippi State University.

These are fine schools, but only one of them is ranked within the top 100. And these are presumably the "best" options according to this student's assessment. So, pressumably a good chunk of the other places that she applied were local universities that admit basically anyone that meets some fairly low minmum.

Though I do love all the outrage about how a poor, black girl from the South is just abusing the system.

Most of those schools do not have 100% admittance so yes, she took those 114 spots from someone else who could have gotten admitted. She also took millions of scholarship dollars away from other poor black girls in the South that applied to those schools. They won't then go to someone else this year. They decide each year how much they can offer and if a certain kid doesn't choose the school it goes back for next year. So someone else missed on those scholarships this year that truly needed them.

I don't have any problem offering free applications to poor kids, but there must be a limit. Just because you can get a free sample, doesn't mean you go up and take all the samples off the table. It is a gesture to be use with grace. Not abused. This was not only abused, but someone people thought it was newsworthy for the positive. For people that are currently in this process, it is disheartening. There are families right above the poverty/pell line that need to pay to apply, pay to send scores, and can only do a handful. They desperately need scholarship money to even attend. Most will end up only going to community college and dropping out to work FT because of it. Our income is less than $75K and we struggled with paying close to $1000 in applications, FAFSA, CSS, and college board score fees. If schools WANT you to apply to as many as possible, like you said, make them free for everyone. But schools don't want that. They make a ton of money off of apps and most of the time, they barely look at the first round anyway. I highly doubt colleges would want anyone who makes the free app cut off, to send out 100 of them. Do you? This was only to make the news. She is that kind of girl. No consideration to her fellow classmates around her. All about me. I deserve this. I will show them. Congrats for being a selfish idiot.

[Anonymous]

Common APP should have a cap at 20. Who makes decisions about Common APP?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This behavior costs admissions people time and energy and for every school that accepted her, some student was rejected--maybe an URM who really wanted to go there.

That's not how this works. For elite schools, you have no idea whether you will get in, barring multi-million dollar donations. For the very good schools with competitive admissions proccesses, the waitlists are large and at most she bumped a person from the waitlist that was never getting in. But for the vast majority of the schools that she was likely admitted to, there was little to no admissions process. She is a URM and a first-gen college student. She has 5 siblings, including one with serious health concerns. She plans to be a teacher. A full-ride (or very close) is probably more important to her than many of the things she would find out on a tour. And you only know that after you apply. Look at the schools that she was reported as considering:

Louisiana State University, Valparaiso University, University of North Texas, Fisk University, Randolph University, Brandeis University, and Mississippi State University.

These are fine schools, but only one of them is ranked within the top 100. And these are presumably the "best" options according to this student's assessment. So, pressumably a good chunk of the other places that she applied were local universities that admit basically anyone that meets some fairly low minmum.

Though I do love all the outrage about how a poor, black girl from the South is just abusing the system.

Most of those schools do not have 100% admittance so yes, she took those 114 spots from someone else who could have gotten admitted. She also took millions of scholarship dollars away from other poor black girls in the South that applied to those schools. They won't then go to someone else this year. They decide each year how much they can offer and if a certain kid doesn't choose the school it goes back for next year. So someone else missed on those scholarships this year that truly needed them.

I don't have any problem offering free applications to poor kids, but there must be a limit. Just because you can get a free sample, doesn't mean you go up and take all the samples off the table. It is a gesture to be use with grace. Not abused. This was not only abused, but someone people thought it was newsworthy for the positive. For people that are currently in this process, it is disheartening. There are families right above the poverty/pell line that need to pay to apply, pay to send scores, and can only do a handful. They desperately need scholarship money to even attend. Most will end up only going to community college and dropping out to work FT because of it. Our income is less than $75K and we struggled with paying close to $1000 in applications, FAFSA, CSS, and college board score fees. If schools WANT you to apply to as many as possible, like you said, make them free for everyone. But schools don't want that. They make a ton of money off of apps and most of the time, they barely look at the first round anyway. I highly doubt colleges would want anyone who makes the free app cut off, to send out 100 of them. Do you? This was only to make the news. She is that kind of girl. No consideration to her fellow classmates around her. All about me. I deserve this. I will show them. Congrats for being a selfish idiot.

Wrong on many points. Main one being that colleges make money on apps. It's not a profitable endeavor, even with the low pay of adcoms.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Where was the college counselor in all of this? Think of the 114 students who may not have received their top choices. Lots of URM students were hurt by this, made upset by this or had college plans change permanently because this woman wanted to trophy hunt. Can't the Common Black application exercise some control here along with the college counselor (assuming parents are asleep at the switch or uninvolved)

Most people don't have a college counselor. She is in her right to apply to as many school as she wants and what happens to other kids is not her issue. I would have mine apply to as many as possible to make sure they get in somewhere. There is always the possibility kids only apply 6-8 schools and get in none. Its happened.

Wrong. All publics have college counselors. BTW, this appears to be a habit at this particular public school. This boy got into 83 colleges in 2018. Such a waste and abuse of the system. Other URMs really wanted those seats. https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/25/this-new-orleans-teen-was-accepted-by-over-80-colleges.html

Now that is interesting. It's the same high school the girl in the OP went to! She was trying to outdo him, obviously. Next year we might see some kid from there applied and got into 130 schools.

[Anonymous]

Showboating, selfish, narcissistic, and soft bigotry of low expectations to report this in national media and act like she cured cancer. Awful all-around.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Where was the college counselor in all of this? Think of the 114 students who may not have received their top choices. Lots of URM students were hurt by this, made upset by this or had college plans change permanently because this woman wanted to trophy hunt. Can't the Common Black application exercise some control here along with the college counselor (assuming parents are asleep at the switch or uninvolved)

Most people don't have a college counselor. She is in her right to apply to as many school as she wants and what happens to other kids is not her issue. I would have mine apply to as many as possible to make sure they get in somewhere. There is always the possibility kids only apply 6-8 schools and get in none. Its happened.

Wrong. All publics have college counselors. BTW, this appears to be a habit at this particular public school. This boy got into 83 colleges in 2018. Such a waste and abuse of the system. Other URMs really wanted those seats. https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/25/this-new-orleans-teen-was-accepted-by-over-80-colleges.html

Now that is interesting. It's the same high school the girl in the OP went to! She was trying to outdo him, obviously. Next year we might see some kid from there applied and got into 130 schools.

From the article, that kid who got into 80+ colleges last year at the same school had this to say about their school:

“The kudos really goes out to our teachers who work with our students as well as the counselors who ensure that students are being pestered and hounded to make sure students are making applications to more than one institution,” says Wilson. “The mere number is nothing to fret over, it is just part of the process."

So there you have it, ladies and gentlemen. The counselors not just didn't prevent them from wasting resources and being obnoxious, but they harassed the kids to do it. None of them thought about what a reasonable number is and communicated that to the students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Showboating, selfish, narcissistic, and soft bigotry of low expectations to report this in national media and act like she cured cancer. Awful all-around.

Indeed

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This behavior costs admissions people time and energy and for every school that accepted her, some student was rejected--maybe an URM who really wanted to go there.

That's not how this works. For elite schools, you have no idea whether you will get in, barring multi-million dollar donations. For the very good schools with competitive admissions proccesses, the waitlists are large and at most she bumped a person from the waitlist that was never getting in. But for the vast majority of the schools that she was likely admitted to, there was little to no admissions process. She is a URM and a first-gen college student. She has 5 siblings, including one with serious health concerns. She plans to be a teacher. A full-ride (or very close) is probably more important to her than many of the things she would find out on a tour. And you only know that after you apply. Look at the schools that she was reported as considering:

Louisiana State University, Valparaiso University, University of North Texas, Fisk University, Randolph University, Brandeis University, and Mississippi State University.

These are fine schools, but only one of them is ranked within the top 100. And these are presumably the "best" options according to this student's assessment. So, pressumably a good chunk of the other places that she applied were local universities that admit basically anyone that meets some fairly low minmum.

Though I do love all the outrage about how a poor, black girl from the South is just abusing the system.

Most of those schools do not have 100% admittance so yes, she took those 114 spots from someone else who could have gotten admitted. She also took millions of scholarship dollars away from other poor black girls in the South that applied to those schools. They won't then go to someone else this year. They decide each year how much they can offer and if a certain kid doesn't choose the school it goes back for next year. So someone else missed on those scholarships this year that truly needed them.

I don't have any problem offering free applications to poor kids, but there must be a limit. Just because you can get a free sample, doesn't mean you go up and take all the samples off the table. It is a gesture to be use with grace. Not abused. This was not only abused, but someone people thought it was newsworthy for the positive. For people that are currently in this process, it is disheartening. There are families right above the poverty/pell line that need to pay to apply, pay to send scores, and can only do a handful. They desperately need scholarship money to even attend. Most will end up only going to community college and dropping out to work FT because of it. Our income is less than $75K and we struggled with paying close to $1000 in applications, FAFSA, CSS, and college board score fees. If schools WANT you to apply to as many as possible, like you said, make them free for everyone. But schools don't want that. They make a ton of money off of apps and most of the time, they barely look at the first round anyway. I highly doubt colleges would want anyone who makes the free app cut off, to send out 100 of them. Do you? This was only to make the news. She is that kind of girl. No consideration to her fellow classmates around her. All about me. I deserve this. I will show them. Congrats for being a selfish idiot.

Wrong on many points. Main one being that colleges make money on apps. It's not a profitable endeavor, even with the low pay of adcoms.

Michigan received almost 70,000 applications this year. Even if only 50,000 of them were paid, that is still $3,750,000 million

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Girl applied to and was accepted at 115 colleges. I want to be impressed, but I can't help but think this was a phenomenal waste of time for her, her school's administration staff, and the admissions departments at the 100+ colleges that I'm sure she had no intention of attending. Even using the Common Apps requires some time and effort for each school. Not to mention, she may have taken a spot or a scholarship from another deserving student who did want to go to that school.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/25/us/antoinette-love-college-acceptances-trnd/index.html

Amen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Girl applied to and was accepted at 115 colleges. I want to be impressed, but I can't help but think this was a phenomenal waste of time for her, her school's administration staff, and the admissions departments at the 100+ colleges that I'm sure she had no intention of attending. Even using the Common Apps requires some time and effort for each school. Not to mention, she may have taken a spot or a scholarship from another deserving student who did want to go to that school.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/25/us/antoinette-love-college-acceptances-trnd/index.html

6000 to waste.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Showboating, selfish, narcissistic, and soft bigotry of low expectations to report this in national media and act like she cured cancer. Awful all-around.

Indeed

Should be law for this. She should pay the expense to all she declined.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This behavior costs admissions people time and energy and for every school that accepted her, some student was rejected--maybe an URM who really wanted to go there.

That's not how this works. For elite schools, you have no idea whether you will get in, barring multi-million dollar donations. For the very good schools with competitive admissions proccesses, the waitlists are large and at most she bumped a person from the waitlist that was never getting in. But for the vast majority of the schools that she was likely admitted to, there was little to no admissions process. She is a URM and a first-gen college student. She has 5 siblings, including one with serious health concerns. She plans to be a teacher. A full-ride (or very close) is probably more important to her than many of the things she would find out on a tour. And you only know that after you apply. Look at the schools that she was reported as considering:

Louisiana State University, Valparaiso University, University of North Texas, Fisk University, Randolph University, Brandeis University, and Mississippi State University.

These are fine schools, but only one of them is ranked within the top 100. And these are presumably the "best" options according to this student's assessment. So, pressumably a good chunk of the other places that she applied were local universities that admit basically anyone that meets some fairly low minmum.

Though I do love all the outrage about how a poor, black girl from the South is just abusing the system.

Most of those schools do not have 100% admittance so yes, she took those 114 spots from someone else who could have gotten admitted. She also took millions of scholarship dollars away from other poor black girls in the South that applied to those schools. They won't then go to someone else this year. They decide each year how much they can offer and if a certain kid doesn't choose the school it goes back for next year. So someone else missed on those scholarships this year that truly needed them.

I don't have any problem offering free applications to poor kids, but there must be a limit. Just because you can get a free sample, doesn't mean you go up and take all the samples off the table. It is a gesture to be use with grace. Not abused. This was not only abused, but someone people thought it was newsworthy for the positive. For people that are currently in this process, it is disheartening. There are families right above the poverty/pell line that need to pay to apply, pay to send scores, and can only do a handful. They desperately need scholarship money to even attend. Most will end up only going to community college and dropping out to work FT because of it. Our income is less than $75K and we struggled with paying close to $1000 in applications, FAFSA, CSS, and college board score fees. If schools WANT you to apply to as many as possible, like you said, make them free for everyone. But schools don't want that. They make a ton of money off of apps and most of the time, they barely look at the first round anyway. I highly doubt colleges would want anyone who makes the free app cut off, to send out 100 of them. Do you? This was only to make the news. She is that kind of girl. No consideration to her fellow classmates around her. All about me. I deserve this. I will show them. Congrats for being a selfish idiot.

Wrong on many points. Main one being that colleges make money on apps. It's not a profitable endeavor, even with the low pay of adcoms.

Michigan received almost 70,000 applications this year. Even if only 50,000 of them were paid, that is still $3,750,000 million

And you think they got to keep it?

What about the 20+ admissions officers and staff salaries and benefits, offices, events, travel, technology? What does that all cost? What is their margin on each application?

It's like the old joke, "We lose money on each widget, but we make it up in volume". Applications are not profitable. Universities do not "make money" from them.

Also, I recommend you never start a business.

[Anonymous]

But all these applications were free for this young lady, so there was nothing to restrain her. She basically made a game out of it, not realizing perhaps that the schools evaluating her apps were taking it seriously. Really, it's not right.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Why? And who made you Boss of All Colleges? If the colleges want limits beyond the ones they have, they will enact them. If the don't want all those apps they can stop giving free apps. ****THEY WANT IT THIS WAY****. It's not a problem that needs your organizational brilliance to solve.

+1. Doesn't matter that you people don't like it, the colleges in question want it this way. Why should it change because of your opinion?