Student accepted at 115 colleges

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Anonymous wrote:Never a mention of SAT or AP scores during these charades. Always mention the meaningless inflated GPA though. That’s why I love that the whiney kid from Florida got into Harvard. Before he knew he’d get into Harvard his reddit was discovered, where he disclosed his awful SAT score and totally mediocre 9th and 10th grade GPA.

Are you talking about the heroic student/activist David Hogg? Well, your racist, pea-brained, NRA addled brain may not comprehend it, but the one time Harvard did something right was when they offered him a seat.

He is one of the most dynamic and influential young people and he will go far in life. Harvard and Hogg will help each other. That is the kind of kid we want to see in Harvard. Not some creep like Kushner or Kavanaugh who pay their way into these institutions.

Not the PP, but if he doesn't have the grades or scores, he shouldn't be there. He could have had a voice at any college.

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The only good defense of this I've heard so far is the colleges don't mind it a bit . That makes some sense; then they can seem more selective.

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Anonymous wrote:The only good defense of this I've heard so far is the colleges don't mind it a bit . That makes some sense; then they can seem more selective.

Simple. So give everyone free applications and let every kid choose between 50-100 schools on Common App.

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Anonymous wrote:The only good defense of this I've heard so far is the colleges don't mind it a bit . That makes some sense; then they can seem more selective.

Simple. So give everyone free applications and let every kid choose between 50-100 schools on Common App.

Well, if colleges want the low-income students they should waive the application fee. Otherwise, these kids cant afford to apply to many schools. And of course 115 is grossly excessive, but the point is the colleges really don't mind getting all these these applications. It makes them look more desirable.

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Anonymous wrote:Never a mention of SAT or AP scores during these charades. Always mention the meaningless inflated GPA though. That’s why I love that the whiney kid from Florida got into Harvard. Before he knew he’d get into Harvard his reddit was discovered, where he disclosed his awful SAT score and totally mediocre 9th and 10th grade GPA.

Are you talking about the heroic student/activist David Hogg? Well, your racist, pea-brained, NRA addled brain may not comprehend it, but the one time Harvard did something right was when they offered him a seat.

He is one of the most dynamic and influential young people and he will go far in life. Harvard and Hogg will help each other. That is the kind of kid we want to see in Harvard. Not some creep like Kushner or Kavanaugh who pay their way into these institutions.

Not the PP, but if he doesn't have the grades or scores, he shouldn't be there. He could have had a voice at any college.

I think Harvard decides who gets in, not you.

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Anonymous wrote:But all these applications were free for this young lady, so there was nothing to restrain her. She basically made a game out of it, not realizing perhaps that the schools evaluating her apps were taking it seriously. Really, it's not right.

+1. and the practice harms other URMs, even those in her own high school, although her own counselors seem to be encouraging this practice since this is the second year something like this has been reported.

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Anonymous wrote:This behavior costs admissions people time and energy and for every school that accepted her, some student was rejected--maybe an URM who really wanted to go there.

That's not how this works. For elite schools, you have no idea whether you will get in, barring multi-million dollar donations. For the very good schools with competitive admissions proccesses, the waitlists are large and at most she bumped a person from the waitlist that was never getting in. But for the vast majority of the schools that she was likely admitted to, there was little to no admissions process. She is a URM and a first-gen college student. She has 5 siblings, including one with serious health concerns. She plans to be a teacher. A full-ride (or very close) is probably more important to her than many of the things she would find out on a tour. And you only know that after you apply. Look at the schools that she was reported as considering:

Louisiana State University, Valparaiso University, University of North Texas, Fisk University, Randolph University, Brandeis University, and Mississippi State University.

These are fine schools, but only one of them is ranked within the top 100. And these are presumably the "best" options according to this student's assessment. So, pressumably a good chunk of the other places that she applied were local universities that admit basically anyone that meets some fairly low minmum.

Though I do love all the outrage about how a poor, black girl from the South is just abusing the system.

Most of those schools do not have 100% admittance so yes, she took those 114 spots from someone else who could have gotten admitted. She also took millions of scholarship dollars away from other poor black girls in the South that applied to those schools. They won't then go to someone else this year. They decide each year how much they can offer and if a certain kid doesn't choose the school it goes back for next year. So someone else missed on those scholarships this year that truly needed them.

I don't have any problem offering free applications to poor kids, but there must be a limit. Just because you can get a free sample, doesn't mean you go up and take all the samples off the table. It is a gesture to be use with grace. Not abused. This was not only abused, but someone people thought it was newsworthy for the positive. For people that are currently in this process, it is disheartening. There are families right above the poverty/pell line that need to pay to apply, pay to send scores, and can only do a handful. They desperately need scholarship money to even attend. Most will end up only going to community college and dropping out to work FT because of it. Our income is less than $75K and we struggled with paying close to $1000 in applications, FAFSA, CSS, and college board score fees. If schools WANT you to apply to as many as possible, like you said, make them free for everyone. But schools don't want that. They make a ton of money off of apps and most of the time, they barely look at the first round anyway. I highly doubt colleges would want anyone who makes the free app cut off, to send out 100 of them. Do you? This was only to make the news. She is that kind of girl. No consideration to her fellow classmates around her. All about me. I deserve this. I will show them. Congrats for being a selfish idiot.

Wrong on many points. Main one being that colleges make money on apps. It's not a profitable endeavor, even with the low pay of adcoms.

Michigan received almost 70,000 applications this year. Even if only 50,000 of them were paid, that is still $3,750,000 million

And you think they got to keep it?

What about the 20+ admissions officers and staff salaries and benefits, offices, events, travel, technology? What does that all cost? What is their margin on each application?

It's like the old joke, "We lose money on each widget, but we make it up in volume". Applications are not profitable. Universities do not "make money" from them.

Also, I recommend you never start a business.

Oh my, if you think there is no profit in common/coalition apps that get plugged right into a college’s database within minutes, I have a bridge to sell ya.
Michigan could have 30 officers (they don’t) and it wouldn’t come close to the millions they earn in fees each year.

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I'm a college counselor. You are quite wrong. Every year Princeton has to hire 35 outside readers in addition to regular admissions staff (now enormous due to the craziness of college applications and the sheer volume). They aren't making any money on applications. Admissions has enormous overhead plus those reps in charge of certain states and territories have to be flown out to those territories for college tours.

Gotta love how the “college counselor” always shows up with her “facts”

Most reps LIVE in the area of their states, not the college. LOL
My daughter’s reps only go to their college a few times a year. Everything is uploaded online

Not true. I'm not talking about alumni interviewers. I'm talking about those in the admissions office who are assigned particular areas of the country. They are responsible for visting the schools in that area, running college fairs, talking to parents, encouraging the students to apply, etc. My own SLAC has a team that spans out across the U.S. every fall to try and visit as many public and private schools in the area to plug the institution. These reps are constantly on the road and return to review the applications and make recommendations once the culling has been done by the hired outside reviewers. See "Admissions" the book.

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I am so naïve on this issue, for everybody saying she took the spots away from other kids and she took scholarship money away: wouldn’t the spots and money go to the wait list of kids?

( I don’t have college kids and this popped up on the recents)

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Low class showboating.

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Her mother said no school gave a 100 percent free ride. Her top three schools are nearly free. She told other 112 schools give it free and she will go

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Anonymous wrote:Her mother said no school gave a 100 percent free ride. Her top three schools are nearly free. She told other 112 schools give it free and she will go

Where did you read this? Anyway, she had to decide by May 1st, so she's made her decision by now. Wondering which school she chose.

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Anonymous wrote:Ugh.

She said it herself - she only kept applying "to see how many I could get into".

AA people in particular should be furious. The universities will no longer give preference to the AA community if enough of them do this trophy hunting BS. If the colleges need to start worrying about yield protection from them then it will shake up the game.

This is BS. You wish...lol

I was just about to post the same thing. No one is just handing out college admissions to AA students. And a college wouldn’t refuse to admit otherwise qualified student because they think they might not actually attend.

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Anonymous wrote:Her mother said no school gave a 100 percent free ride. Her top three schools are nearly free. She told other 112 schools give it free and she will go

This is why it makes sense to apply so broadly (although obviously this case is over the top). If your priority is maximum financial aid and scholarships, you need to take a lot of shots to see who will bid the highest.

Also, most of these schools are not very selective and aren’t holding a spot for this particular applicant. They admit all students that meet various criteria.

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Anonymous wrote: I am so naïve on this issue, for everybody saying she took the spots away from other kids and she took scholarship money away: wouldn’t the spots and money go to the wait list of kids?

( I don’t have college kids and this popped up on the recents)

There is no central preference/ranking system, so those students had to accept something else in the meantime. If they don't know that money is available, that may have influenced their decision.

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Anonymous wrote:This behavior costs admissions people time and energy and for every school that accepted her, some student was rejected--maybe an URM who really wanted to go there.

That's not how this works. For elite schools, you have no idea whether you will get in, barring multi-million dollar donations. For the very good schools with competitive admissions proccesses, the waitlists are large and at most she bumped a person from the waitlist that was never getting in. But for the vast majority of the schools that she was likely admitted to, there was little to no admissions process. She is a URM and a first-gen college student. She has 5 siblings, including one with serious health concerns. She plans to be a teacher. A full-ride (or very close) is probably more important to her than many of the things she would find out on a tour. And you only know that after you apply. Look at the schools that she was reported as considering:

Louisiana State University, Valparaiso University, University of North Texas, Fisk University, Randolph University, Brandeis University, and Mississippi State University.

These are fine schools, but only one of them is ranked within the top 100. And these are presumably the "best" options according to this student's assessment. So, pressumably a good chunk of the other places that she applied were local universities that admit basically anyone that meets some fairly low minmum.

Though I do love all the outrage about how a poor, black girl from the South is just abusing the system.

Most of those schools do not have 100% admittance so yes, she took those 114 spots from someone else who could have gotten admitted. She also took millions of scholarship dollars away from other poor black girls in the South that applied to those schools. They won't then go to someone else this year. They decide each year how much they can offer and if a certain kid doesn't choose the school it goes back for next year. So someone else missed on those scholarships this year that truly needed them.

I don't have any problem offering free applications to poor kids, but there must be a limit. Just because you can get a free sample, doesn't mean you go up and take all the samples off the table. It is a gesture to be use with grace. Not abused. This was not only abused, but someone people thought it was newsworthy for the positive. For people that are currently in this process, it is disheartening. There are families right above the poverty/pell line that need to pay to apply, pay to send scores, and can only do a handful. They desperately need scholarship money to even attend. Most will end up only going to community college and dropping out to work FT because of it. Our income is less than $75K and we struggled with paying close to $1000 in applications, FAFSA, CSS, and college board score fees. If schools WANT you to apply to as many as possible, like you said, make them free for everyone. But schools don't want that. They make a ton of money off of apps and most of the time, they barely look at the first round anyway. I highly doubt colleges would want anyone who makes the free app cut off, to send out 100 of them. Do you? This was only to make the news. She is that kind of girl. No consideration to her fellow classmates around her. All about me. I deserve this. I will show them. Congrats for being a selfish idiot.

Wrong on many points. Main one being that colleges make money on apps. It's not a profitable endeavor, even with the low pay of adcoms.

Michigan received almost 70,000 applications this year. Even if only 50,000 of them were paid, that is still $3,750,000 million

And you think they got to keep it?

What about the 20+ admissions officers and staff salaries and benefits, offices, events, travel, technology? What does that all cost? What is their margin on each application?

It's like the old joke, "We lose money on each widget, but we make it up in volume". Applications are not profitable. Universities do not "make money" from them.

Also, I recommend you never start a business.

Oh my, if you think there is no profit in common/coalition apps that get plugged right into a college’s database within minutes, I have a bridge to sell ya.
Michigan could have 30 officers (they don’t) and it wouldn’t come close to the millions they earn in fees each year.

NP

I'm a college counselor. You are quite wrong. Every year Princeton has to hire 35 outside readers in addition to regular admissions staff (now enormous due to the craziness of college applications and the sheer volume). They aren't making any money on applications. Admissions has enormous overhead plus those reps in charge of certain states and territories have to be flown out to those territories for college tours.

Gotta love how the “college counselor” always shows up with her “facts”

Most reps LIVE in the area of their states, not the college. LOL
My daughter’s reps only go to their college a few times a year. Everything is uploaded online

Not true. I'm not talking about alumni interviewers. I'm talking about those in the admissions office who are assigned particular areas of the country. They are responsible for visting the schools in that area, running college fairs, talking to parents, encouraging the students to apply, etc. My own SLAC has a team that spans out across the U.S. every fall to try and visit as many public and private schools in the area to plug the institution. These reps are constantly on the road and return to review the applications and make recommendations once the culling has been done by the hired outside reviewers. See "Admissions" the book.

Local admission counselors live in the DC area. Michigan, BU, Purdue, UC, Texas, Clemson, Ohio, Minnesota, Washington, etc... They are regional admission reps. They do all the college fairs, send off, local accepted student days, interviews, local get to know the school days, etc... And yes, they read your apps.