Rock n Play Recall- alternatives?

[Anonymous]

What are people using to set the baby down in during the day? Newborn DS sleeps at night in the bassinet (lucky us!) if we use the RNP during the day in the living room. We’ll probably continue doing that at least until he rolls over. We used it much longer with DC1, but may not do that again.

Question is - if we ditch the RNP, where do we set him during the day? Swings, car seats, etc all have the same incline/positional asphyxiation risk, don’t they?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The rock n plays were officially recalled and should no longer be used. https://www.cpsc.gov/Recalls/2019/fisher-price-recalls-rock-n-play-sleepers-due-to-reports-of-deaths

To be clear, 30 deaths, 4.7 million RnPs. Assuming a 1to1 baby to RnP ratio (which must severely underestimate it) that is a .00064% chance of death. Lower than the rate of unexplained SIDS.

What about more than half the deaths were after 2016? Or that there were an additional 700 injuries that just didn’t lead to quite death. https://www.cliffordlaw.com/controversial-fisher-price-sleep-bed-subject-of-at-least-30-infant-deaths/

Give me the data on 700 injuries from someone other than am ambulance chasing law firm.

Your the only person I've seen claiming that half happened after 2016.

The Wall Street Journal reported on 700 injuries and that 16 deaths happened after Sept 2016.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/infant-sleep-deaths-in-focus-in-fight-over-role-of-consumer-safety-agency-1542974400

And here's description of the deaths from consumer reports and almost near deaths. Nothing to do with not following instructions or the child being above 3 months. But go on and defend this unsafe product.
https://www.consumerreports.org/recalls/fisher-price-rock-n-play-sleeper-should-be-recalled-consumer-reports-says/

The earliest death that CR uncovered occurred in 2011, with more in the years that followed. There is, for example, the mother in Hidalgo County, Texas, who placed her 2-month old daughter on her back for a night’s sleep on Oct. 19, 2013, according to a lawsuit filed by the family against Fisher-Price. At 4 a.m., when the mother checked, all was well, but by 7 a.m., the baby had stopped breathing. Her head was tilted to the side with her chin on her shoulder, compressing her airway. She was pronounced dead at the scene from positional asphyxia, or an inability to breathe caused by her position.

The most recent deaths CR found occurred in spring 2018—one involving a 1-month-old girl in Knoxville, Tenn., and the other a 9-day-old boy in Copperas Cove, Texas.

There have also been some close calls. In one, on July 25, 2014, a 7-week-old boy was placed in a Rock ’n Play Sleeper while his grandmother was in the room, according to a lawsuit filed against Fisher-Price that was ultimately dismissed.

The grandmother, Jan Hinson, of Greenville, S.C., says she looked at her grandson and saw he was “cocked over all the way, and he was blue and lifeless. It was absolutely awful.” She got the infant breathing again, and after a stay in the hospital, he was released.

Hinson, who is also a lawyer, is now representing a Virginia couple, Evan and Keenan Overton, whose son died while in a Rock ’n Play Sleeper.

A few days before Christmas in 2017, 5-month-old Ezra was asleep in the product while Keenan slept on a couch nearby. When Keenan woke in the middle of the night, he found Ezra on his stomach, unresponsive, and yelled for Evan to call 911. “He was blue, and his body was, it was hard, and he didn’t feel real,” Evan said. Ezra was pronounced dead at the hospital; “asphyxia” was listed as the immediate cause of death. (The Overtons say Ezra was buckled in the sleeper, though the death certificate states the baby was unrestrained.)

I read the CR page yesterday, nothing new from what FP disclosed. WSJ is behind a paywall

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What are people using to set the baby down in during the day? Newborn DS sleeps at night in the bassinet (lucky us!) if we use the RNP during the day in the living room. We’ll probably continue doing that at least until he rolls over. We used it much longer with DC1, but may not do that again.

Question is - if we ditch the RNP, where do we set him during the day? Swings, car seats, etc all have the same incline/positional asphyxiation risk, don’t they?

Until they have some head/neck control, they need to be on a flat surface, like a pack n play, or closely attended in a swing that fully reclines (or almost fully). Try a Moses basket.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What are people using to set the baby down in during the day? Newborn DS sleeps at night in the bassinet (lucky us!) if we use the RNP during the day in the living room. We’ll probably continue doing that at least until he rolls over. We used it much longer with DC1, but may not do that again.

Question is - if we ditch the RNP, where do we set him during the day? Swings, car seats, etc all have the same incline/positional asphyxiation risk, don’t they?

Until they have some head/neck control, they need to be on a flat surface, like a pack n play, or closely attended in a swing that fully reclines (or almost fully). Try a Moses basket.

And what do parents do when babies can't be put on this type of surface without screaming?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What are people using to set the baby down in during the day? Newborn DS sleeps at night in the bassinet (lucky us!) if we use the RNP during the day in the living room. We’ll probably continue doing that at least until he rolls over. We used it much longer with DC1, but may not do that again.

Question is - if we ditch the RNP, where do we set him during the day? Swings, car seats, etc all have the same incline/positional asphyxiation risk, don’t they?

Until they have some head/neck control, they need to be on a flat surface, like a pack n play, or closely attended in a swing that fully reclines (or almost fully). Try a Moses basket.

And what do parents do when babies can't be put on this type of surface without screaming?

Have you tried a structured carrier? With a newborn insert if needed. I couldn't live without ours. Baby was screamy during the day if she wasn't constantly held. The carrier was a great solution.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have never seen people so against a recall in my life.

Roll a receiving blanket and put under your crib mattress for a safe incline if your baby has reflux and get over yourselves good god. There are ways to use that fancy crib of yours!

This product is not the end all be all and you are not the only person who has kids who don’t/didn’t sleep.

Did your kid have reflux? Cuz the receiving blanket under the mattress sure as hell didn't work for my kid who did. I love all the people on here who dole out advice and gleefully insult others who have no idea what they are talking about. Or who think that their personal experience applies to every child.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What are people using to set the baby down in during the day? Newborn DS sleeps at night in the bassinet (lucky us!) if we use the RNP during the day in the living room. We’ll probably continue doing that at least until he rolls over. We used it much longer with DC1, but may not do that again.

Question is - if we ditch the RNP, where do we set him during the day? Swings, car seats, etc all have the same incline/positional asphyxiation risk, don’t they?

The people who go by the same standards for themselves as licensed day cares won’t set baby in anything. They put baby on the floor on a rubber mat, or hold them, or use an Ergo or another carrier, or the crib/flat surface pack and play. That’s it. I think it’s unrealistic but that’s all that’s technically “recommended” for maximum safety.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What are people using to set the baby down in during the day? Newborn DS sleeps at night in the bassinet (lucky us!) if we use the RNP during the day in the living room. We’ll probably continue doing that at least until he rolls over. We used it much longer with DC1, but may not do that again.

Question is - if we ditch the RNP, where do we set him during the day? Swings, car seats, etc all have the same incline/positional asphyxiation risk, don’t they?

We used a fisher price bunny swing. The incline was enough so that there was no chin to chest going on. It wasn’t deep like the RNP.

[Anonymous]

My second wasn’t a huge fan but we definitely used it a bit. It’s tough because many babies don’t settle well on their backs. But if flat on back in bare crib is really the only safe thing? Gentle newborn sleep training....because you can only not sleep for so long. Otherwise you’ll wind up with accidental cosleeping which has its own risks.

We may have a third. I’ll try for schedule and mini attempts at self soothing by 2 months or so.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What are people using to set the baby down in during the day? Newborn DS sleeps at night in the bassinet (lucky us!) if we use the RNP during the day in the living room. We’ll probably continue doing that at least until he rolls over. We used it much longer with DC1, but may not do that again.

Question is - if we ditch the RNP, where do we set him during the day? Swings, car seats, etc all have the same incline/positional asphyxiation risk, don’t they?

The people who go by the same standards for themselves as licensed day cares won’t set baby in anything. They put baby on the floor on a rubber mat, or hold them, or use an Ergo or another carrier, or the crib/flat surface pack and play. That’s it. I think it’s unrealistic but that’s all that’s technically “recommended” for maximum safety.

My baby had reflux until he was 1! I still didn't have him sleep in a freaking rnp. Guess what? He's alive now!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:What are people using to set the baby down in during the day? Newborn DS sleeps at night in the bassinet (lucky us!) if we use the RNP during the day in the living room. We’ll probably continue doing that at least until he rolls over. We used it much longer with DC1, but may not do that again.

Question is - if we ditch the RNP, where do we set him during the day? Swings, car seats, etc all have the same incline/positional asphyxiation risk, don’t they?

The people who go by the same standards for themselves as licensed day cares won’t set baby in anything. They put baby on the floor on a rubber mat, or hold them, or use an Ergo or another carrier, or the crib/flat surface pack and play. That’s it. I think it’s unrealistic but that’s all that’s technically “recommended” for maximum safety.

My baby had reflux until he was 1! I still didn't have him sleep in a freaking rnp. Guess what? He's alive now!

Here’s your gold star.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What are people using to set the baby down in during the day? Newborn DS sleeps at night in the bassinet (lucky us!) if we use the RNP during the day in the living room. We’ll probably continue doing that at least until he rolls over. We used it much longer with DC1, but may not do that again.

Question is - if we ditch the RNP, where do we set him during the day? Swings, car seats, etc all have the same incline/positional asphyxiation risk, don’t they?

The people who go by the same standards for themselves as licensed day cares won’t set baby in anything. They put baby on the floor on a rubber mat, or hold them, or use an Ergo or another carrier, or the crib/flat surface pack and play. That’s it. I think it’s unrealistic but that’s all that’s technically “recommended” for maximum safety.

My baby had reflux until he was 1! I still didn't have him sleep in a freaking rnp. Guess what? He's alive now!

My baby slept in a RNP for 2 months. Also alive, just like the 99.999999995% of children that used it. Best part is that I didn’t careen into PPD. Lack of sleep is a trigger for depression for me and I was really, really concerned. With the RNP, my nursing child slept 5-6 hrs straight from week one. Balancing the very real risk of postpartum psychosis vs the infinitesimal chance a weak-necked child would die in the RNP vs swing or car seat, I took the chance and would take it again.

[Anonymous]

So, since a car seat is also a risk for positional asphyxia, how many of you are actually pulling over every few minutes to make sure that sleepy newborn in the backseat is still breathing?
I’m not trying to be snarky here. I was so terrified of positional asphyxia when DD was a baby, and I never could get a straight answer out of any of the so called experts and professionals on this. People were quick to lecture on “back is best” when DD had horrible reflux and couldn’t lie flat without screaming in pain, but my concerns about the car seat, even for short trips, were shrugged off.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What are people using to set the baby down in during the day? Newborn DS sleeps at night in the bassinet (lucky us!) if we use the RNP during the day in the living room. We’ll probably continue doing that at least until he rolls over. We used it much longer with DC1, but may not do that again.

Question is - if we ditch the RNP, where do we set him during the day? Swings, car seats, etc all have the same incline/positional asphyxiation risk, don’t they?

Until they have some head/neck control, they need to be on a flat surface, like a pack n play, or closely attended in a swing that fully reclines (or almost fully). Try a Moses basket.

And what do parents do when babies can't be put on this type of surface without screaming?

Have you tried a structured carrier? With a newborn insert if needed. I couldn't live without ours. Baby was screamy during the day if she wasn't constantly held. The carrier was a great solution.

With all due respect this is just comically unhelpful advice. I know it's well intentioned but it's so unhelpful.

"What do I do if my baby will never sleep on its back without screaming?"

"Carry them all day in a structured carrier"

So when does mom do all the things OP asked about like take a shower? And when does mom sleep?

Also, FWIW, babies have died of positional asphyxiation in carriers too. I'm not anti carrier at all but they carry the same risks.

[Anonymous]

I don't get why they ha to recall the RnP vs just saying it should not be used as a sleeper. Seriously, why can't I use it as a seat during waking hours?