Rock n Play Recall- alternatives?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So, since a car seat is also a risk for positional asphyxia, how many of you are actually pulling over every few minutes to make sure that sleepy newborn in the backseat is still breathing?
I’m not trying to be snarky here. I was so terrified of positional asphyxia when DD was a baby, and I never could get a straight answer out of any of the so called experts and professionals on this. People were quick to lecture on “back is best” when DD had horrible reflux and couldn’t lie flat without screaming in pain, but my concerns about the car seat, even for short trips, were shrugged off.

If I am remembering correctly, car seats are at risk for positional asphyxiation when not properly installed in a car - if you take the car seat out and set it on the floor or in a booth at a restaurant. The baby is at a different angle when the car seat is out of the car installation (because it isn’t designed for sitting on a floor) and that is where the risk for asphyxiation comes to play, not from driving in a properly installed car seat. At least this is what I am remembering from reading after a daycare death where the baby was left to sleep in a car seat in a room alone I believe.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So, since a car seat is also a risk for positional asphyxia, how many of you are actually pulling over every few minutes to make sure that sleepy newborn in the backseat is still breathing?
I’m not trying to be snarky here. I was so terrified of positional asphyxia when DD was a baby, and I never could get a straight answer out of any of the so called experts and professionals on this. People were quick to lecture on “back is best” when DD had horrible reflux and couldn’t lie flat without screaming in pain, but my concerns about the car seat, even for short trips, were shrugged off.

If I am remembering correctly, car seats are at risk for positional asphyxiation when not properly installed in a car - if you take the car seat out and set it on the floor or in a booth at a restaurant. The baby is at a different angle when the car seat is out of the car installation (because it isn’t designed for sitting on a floor) and that is where the risk for asphyxiation comes to play, not from driving in a properly installed car seat. At least this is what I am remembering from reading after a daycare death where the baby was left to sleep in a car seat in a room alone I believe.

No this is incorrect. Carseats are seats at an incline and present a risk. We use them because it's safer to drive a baby in a carseat than not, even with that risk. Just like sometimes it's safer for parents to use a rock n play for a few hours than it is to not sleep for weeks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So, since a car seat is also a risk for positional asphyxia, how many of you are actually pulling over every few minutes to make sure that sleepy newborn in the backseat is still breathing?
I’m not trying to be snarky here. I was so terrified of positional asphyxia when DD was a baby, and I never could get a straight answer out of any of the so called experts and professionals on this. People were quick to lecture on “back is best” when DD had horrible reflux and couldn’t lie flat without screaming in pain, but my concerns about the car seat, even for short trips, were shrugged off.

I was terrified of this with DC1 as well and I pulled over all the time to check that she was breathing. With DC2 my PPA hasn’t yet reared it’s ugly head and though I’m still really uncomfortable with the car seat, I’m able to control my fears better. But I also never got a satisfactory answer about it. Just a lot of relative risk and necessity vs nicety kind of talk.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So, since a car seat is also a risk for positional asphyxia, how many of you are actually pulling over every few minutes to make sure that sleepy newborn in the backseat is still breathing?
I’m not trying to be snarky here. I was so terrified of positional asphyxia when DD was a baby, and I never could get a straight answer out of any of the so called experts and professionals on this. People were quick to lecture on “back is best” when DD had horrible reflux and couldn’t lie flat without screaming in pain, but my concerns about the car seat, even for short trips, were shrugged off.

My son never slept in his car seat!
I was terrified of this with DC1 as well and I pulled over all the time to check that she was breathing. With DC2 my PPA hasn’t yet reared it’s ugly head and though I’m still really uncomfortable with the car seat, I’m able to control my fears better. But I also never got a satisfactory answer about it. Just a lot of relative risk and necessity vs nicety kind of talk.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So, since a car seat is also a risk for positional asphyxia, how many of you are actually pulling over every few minutes to make sure that sleepy newborn in the backseat is still breathing?
I’m not trying to be snarky here. I was so terrified of positional asphyxia when DD was a baby, and I never could get a straight answer out of any of the so called experts and professionals on this. People were quick to lecture on “back is best” when DD had horrible reflux and couldn’t lie flat without screaming in pain, but my concerns about the car seat, even for short trips, were shrugged off.

If I am remembering correctly, car seats are at risk for positional asphyxiation when not properly installed in a car - if you take the car seat out and set it on the floor or in a booth at a restaurant. The baby is at a different angle when the car seat is out of the car installation (because it isn’t designed for sitting on a floor) and that is where the risk for asphyxiation comes to play, not from driving in a properly installed car seat. At least this is what I am remembering from reading after a daycare death where the baby was left to sleep in a car seat in a room alone I believe.

No this is incorrect. Carseats are seats at an incline and present a risk. We use them because it's safer to drive a baby in a carseat than not, even with that risk. Just like sometimes it's safer for parents to use a rock n play for a few hours than it is to not sleep for weeks.

Oh god you again. Babies are freaking dying and you're still defending these devices. You're truly a moron.

Human beings die all the time living their lives. It's sad and unfair but if you live your life avoiding everything that's ever killed someone you wouldn't be able to function.

How many Americans died last year using ladders? About 300.

How many children died last year in a pool? On average two children per day under 14.

Should we recall ladders and outlaw pools?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So, since a car seat is also a risk for positional asphyxia, how many of you are actually pulling over every few minutes to make sure that sleepy newborn in the backseat is still breathing?
I’m not trying to be snarky here. I was so terrified of positional asphyxia when DD was a baby, and I never could get a straight answer out of any of the so called experts and professionals on this. People were quick to lecture on “back is best” when DD had horrible reflux and couldn’t lie flat without screaming in pain, but my concerns about the car seat, even for short trips, were shrugged off.

If I am remembering correctly, car seats are at risk for positional asphyxiation when not properly installed in a car - if you take the car seat out and set it on the floor or in a booth at a restaurant. The baby is at a different angle when the car seat is out of the car installation (because it isn’t designed for sitting on a floor) and that is where the risk for asphyxiation comes to play, not from driving in a properly installed car seat. At least this is what I am remembering from reading after a daycare death where the baby was left to sleep in a car seat in a room alone I believe.

No this is incorrect. Carseats are seats at an incline and present a risk. We use them because it's safer to drive a baby in a carseat than not, even with that risk. Just like sometimes it's safer for parents to use a rock n play for a few hours than it is to not sleep for weeks.

I don’t think it’s accurate to say the pp was incorrect, you’re both kind of right. Yes there is always some risk with an incline, but when properly strapped tightly in, installed correctly in a car, for short trips, the risk is very low for car seats. Which is why the risk benefit weighs to using them (and I see your point this is similar to rock and play if used correctly). But the pp is right that the risk of car seats and the cases of asphyxiation you hear about are mostly when children are unstrapped or out of the car. I couldn’t find the good article I read on this once but this has some info: https://thecarseatlady.com/alwaysbucklebaby/

[Anonymous]

Look at it this way-it's much much safer to put a baby in the inclined seat (carseat) in the car, than to put baby on a flat surface in the car (i.e. not in a carseat). There is much more danger of a car crash, than positional suffocation.

But outside the car, it's safer to put baby on a flat surface, rather than a carseat or RNP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote: Look at it this way-it's much much safer to put a baby in the inclined seat (carseat) in the car, than to put baby on a flat surface in the car (i.e. not in a carseat). There is much more danger of a car crash, than positional suffocation.

But outside the car, it's safer to put baby on a flat surface, rather than a carseat or RNP.

Why not just forgo driving?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What are people using to set the baby down in during the day? Newborn DS sleeps at night in the bassinet (lucky us!) if we use the RNP during the day in the living room. We’ll probably continue doing that at least until he rolls over. We used it much longer with DC1, but may not do that again.

Question is - if we ditch the RNP, where do we set him during the day? Swings, car seats, etc all have the same incline/positional asphyxiation risk, don’t they?

I used a small bassinet.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What are people using to set the baby down in during the day? Newborn DS sleeps at night in the bassinet (lucky us!) if we use the RNP during the day in the living room. We’ll probably continue doing that at least until he rolls over. We used it much longer with DC1, but may not do that again.

Question is - if we ditch the RNP, where do we set him during the day? Swings, car seats, etc all have the same incline/positional asphyxiation risk, don’t they?

Until they have some head/neck control, they need to be on a flat surface, like a pack n play, or closely attended in a swing that fully reclines (or almost fully). Try a Moses basket.

And what do parents do when babies can't be put on this type of surface without screaming?

What they did before these unsafe devices came along.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What are people using to set the baby down in during the day? Newborn DS sleeps at night in the bassinet (lucky us!) if we use the RNP during the day in the living room. We’ll probably continue doing that at least until he rolls over. We used it much longer with DC1, but may not do that again.

Question is - if we ditch the RNP, where do we set him during the day? Swings, car seats, etc all have the same incline/positional asphyxiation risk, don’t they?

The people who go by the same standards for themselves as licensed day cares won’t set baby in anything. They put baby on the floor on a rubber mat, or hold them, or use an Ergo or another carrier, or the crib/flat surface pack and play. That’s it. I think it’s unrealistic but that’s all that’s technically “recommended” for maximum safety.

My baby had reflux until he was 1! I still didn't have him sleep in a freaking rnp. Guess what? He's alive now!

My baby slept in a RNP for 2 months. Also alive, just like the 99.999999995% of children that used it. Best part is that I didn’t careen into PPD. Lack of sleep is a trigger for depression for me and I was really, really concerned. With the RNP, my nursing child slept 5-6 hrs straight from week one. Balancing the very real risk of postpartum psychosis vs the infinitesimal chance a weak-necked child would die in the RNP vs swing or car seat, I took the chance and would take it again.

How would you, general you, feel if your baby died in it....knowing the risk?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What are people using to set the baby down in during the day? Newborn DS sleeps at night in the bassinet (lucky us!) if we use the RNP during the day in the living room. We’ll probably continue doing that at least until he rolls over. We used it much longer with DC1, but may not do that again.

Question is - if we ditch the RNP, where do we set him during the day? Swings, car seats, etc all have the same incline/positional asphyxiation risk, don’t they?

The people who go by the same standards for themselves as licensed day cares won’t set baby in anything. They put baby on the floor on a rubber mat, or hold them, or use an Ergo or another carrier, or the crib/flat surface pack and play. That’s it. I think it’s unrealistic but that’s all that’s technically “recommended” for maximum safety.

My baby had reflux until he was 1! I still didn't have him sleep in a freaking rnp. Guess what? He's alive now!

My baby slept in a RNP for 2 months. Also alive, just like the 99.999999995% of children that used it. Best part is that I didn’t careen into PPD. Lack of sleep is a trigger for depression for me and I was really, really concerned. With the RNP, my nursing child slept 5-6 hrs straight from week one. Balancing the very real risk of postpartum psychosis vs the infinitesimal chance a weak-necked child would die in the RNP vs swing or car seat, I took the chance and would take it again.

How would you, general you, feel if your baby died in it....knowing the risk?

She would be 99% percent fine of course!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: Look at it this way-it's much much safer to put a baby in the inclined seat (carseat) in the car, than to put baby on a flat surface in the car (i.e. not in a carseat). There is much more danger of a car crash, than positional suffocation.

But outside the car, it's safer to put baby on a flat surface, rather than a carseat or RNP.

Why not just forgo driving?

What, are you not going anywhere for 6 months?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: Look at it this way-it's much much safer to put a baby in the inclined seat (carseat) in the car, than to put baby on a flat surface in the car (i.e. not in a carseat). There is much more danger of a car crash, than positional suffocation.

But outside the car, it's safer to put baby on a flat surface, rather than a carseat or RNP.

Why not just forgo driving?

What, are you not going anywhere for 6 months?

Do you not need to sleep for 6 months?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What are people using to set the baby down in during the day? Newborn DS sleeps at night in the bassinet (lucky us!) if we use the RNP during the day in the living room. We’ll probably continue doing that at least until he rolls over. We used it much longer with DC1, but may not do that again.

Question is - if we ditch the RNP, where do we set him during the day? Swings, car seats, etc all have the same incline/positional asphyxiation risk, don’t they?

The people who go by the same standards for themselves as licensed day cares won’t set baby in anything. They put baby on the floor on a rubber mat, or hold them, or use an Ergo or another carrier, or the crib/flat surface pack and play. That’s it. I think it’s unrealistic but that’s all that’s technically “recommended” for maximum safety.

My baby had reflux until he was 1! I still didn't have him sleep in a freaking rnp. Guess what? He's alive now!

My baby slept in a RNP for 2 months. Also alive, just like the 99.999999995% of children that used it. Best part is that I didn’t careen into PPD. Lack of sleep is a trigger for depression for me and I was really, really concerned. With the RNP, my nursing child slept 5-6 hrs straight from week one. Balancing the very real risk of postpartum psychosis vs the infinitesimal chance a weak-necked child would die in the RNP vs swing or car seat, I took the chance and would take it again.

How would you, general you, feel if your baby died in it....knowing the risk?

I'm a PP defending the rock n play. My brother died in a tragic accident at 17. He was hit by a car on a bike not wearing a helmet.

It was horrible, but it wasn't any one persons fault. It was bad luck. A sleepy street, a blind turn he'd taken a million times less then a football field length from our house. His schoolmate and friend's mom was the driver. She wasn't speeding. This is life, 99.999% of the time you take the turn fine, and tragedy strikes that other .0001%.

My parents were rigid strict safety crazy people. 17 years of safety erased in a moment.

What did I learn from this tragedy? That you can't spend your life running from that moment. You will have some of those moments in your life, everyone does. Some will be worse than others, some people will have it worse than others. Would he have been better off afraid to leave the house because of a tragic accident? "A man afraid to fly, packed his suitcase kissed his kids goodbye, waited his whole life to take that flight and as the plane crashed does thought well isn't this nice"

This fearfulness pervades our parenting and you spend your time afraid instead of grateful. I know terrible things are always a blind turn and a lazy ride from falling apart. I chose to live doing the best I can in a way that also allows me to enjoy and appreciate the life I have. It's good in this moment. I'm savoring it instead of fending off bad random luck.