Michigan over Cornell?

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Anonymous wrote:Does she know where she wants to be after graduation? If NYC, then I think Cornell has the advantage. Easy access to NYC by bus throughout school year, a ton of New York classmates, lots of opportunities to meet students from other nearby schools who will wind up in NYC.

Otherwise, I think both are great schools. I went to one for undergrad and the other for grad school and enjoyed both.

Michigan alumni have a huge presence in NYC.

I lived in NYC for a few years and I honestly think I met more UMich people living there than I did living in Michigan (suburban Detroit).

Michigan is very popular with Jewish kids from the NYC suburbs.

Umm ... ok?

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t turn down Cornell. You’ll regret it.

Agreed
Michigan grad who thinks you should go to Cornell.

The notion that these two places are comparable in undergraduate quality is laughable. Michigan is pretty darn easy to get into in state.

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t turn down Cornell. You’ll regret it.

Agreed
Michigan grad who thinks you should go to Cornell.

The notion that these two places are comparable in undergraduate quality is laughable. Michigan is pretty darn easy to get into in state.

It’s cute you think acceptance rate is a proxy for quality.

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Anonymous wrote:Does she know where she wants to be after graduation? If NYC, then I think Cornell has the advantage. Easy access to NYC by bus throughout school year, a ton of New York classmates, lots of opportunities to meet students from other nearby schools who will wind up in NYC.

Otherwise, I think both are great schools. I went to one for undergrad and the other for grad school and enjoyed both.

Michigan alumni have a huge presence in NYC.

I lived in NYC for a few years and I honestly think I met more UMich people living there than I did living in Michigan (suburban Detroit).

Michigan is very popular with Jewish kids from the NYC suburbs.

Bah! Im sure so is Cornell.

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t turn down Cornell. You’ll regret it.

Agreed
Michigan grad who thinks you should go to Cornell.

The notion that these two places are comparable in undergraduate quality is laughable. Michigan is pretty darn easy to get into in state.

It’s cute you think acceptance rate is a proxy for quality.

+1000

People need to,stop equating low acceptance rate w quality so we can stop the killing of trees to support the marketing efforts of all the colleges. Please!

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Anonymous wrote:I guess you are paying out of state for Michigan. So the cost difference is not that much.

I will go with Cornell if she is undecided.

UMich is full of out-of-state kids who TOTALLY got into similarly-priced Cornell, Penn and Brown, but preferred the vibe of Ann Arbor. Totally.

If the vibe of Michigan is important, sure, go to Michigan. Keep in mind, more than half of the students there get the same vibe for 1/3 of the cost.

But if the kid is undecided, you would get more for your $ at Cornell. Michigan has 30,000 undergraduate, while Cornell only has 15,000. One is a private and the other is a public. Cornell is an Ivy and always ranks higher than Michigan.

Hmm, always? You sure about that?

Michigan is #19 in undergrad teaching on USNWR
Cornell is #41

When you say public vs private what’s the implication? Endowment? Because Michigan’s is $12B while Cornell’s is $7B. Roughly the same per student money, since Michigan is twice as big.

Michigan has the 6th best undergrad engineering program; Cornell is #9

I could go on, but let’s at least acknowledge that public means nothing and Cornell by no means always outranks Michigan.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges

Obviously the ranking meant the widely accepted US News Best college ranking. Cornell always rank higher than Michigan on this list.

Cornell #16

UVA #25

Michigan #27

Private school generally has better faculty student ratio, more responsive career services, smaller class size, easier course selections, better dorms, etc. than a public.

Ah yes, ignoring data that doesn’t support your argument. Classy!

You realize Michigan has one of the most powerful alumni networks in the world, right?

Michigan booster, it's you who are ignoring the data. Michigan is a fine school. But if I have to pay the same cost, outside of engineering, I wouldn't even pick Michigan over UVA. For one, Michigan has 30,000 undergrad while UVA has only 16,000, almost the same size as Cornell. You may like that big 10 vibe, but many others prefer a smaller size school.

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Anonymous wrote:I guess you are paying out of state for Michigan. So the cost difference is not that much.

I will go with Cornell if she is undecided.

UMich is full of out-of-state kids who TOTALLY got into similarly-priced Cornell, Penn and Brown, but preferred the vibe of Ann Arbor. Totally.

If the vibe of Michigan is important, sure, go to Michigan. Keep in mind, more than half of the students there get the same vibe for 1/3 of the cost.

But if the kid is undecided, you would get more for your $ at Cornell. Michigan has 30,000 undergraduate, while Cornell only has 15,000. One is a private and the other is a public. Cornell is an Ivy and always ranks higher than Michigan.

Hmm, always? You sure about that?

Michigan is #19 in undergrad teaching on USNWR
Cornell is #41

When you say public vs private what’s the implication? Endowment? Because Michigan’s is $12B while Cornell’s is $7B. Roughly the same per student money, since Michigan is twice as big.

Michigan has the 6th best undergrad engineering program; Cornell is #9

I could go on, but let’s at least acknowledge that public means nothing and Cornell by no means always outranks Michigan.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges

Obviously the ranking meant the widely accepted US News Best college ranking. Cornell always rank higher than Michigan on this list.

Cornell #16

UVA #25

Michigan #27

Private school generally has better faculty student ratio, more responsive career services, smaller class size, easier course selections, better dorms, etc. than a public.

Ah yes, ignoring data that doesn’t support your argument. Classy!

You realize Michigan has one of the most powerful alumni networks in the world, right?

Michigan booster, it's you who are ignoring the data. Michigan is a fine school. But if I have to pay the same cost, outside of engineering, I wouldn't even pick Michigan over UVA. For one, Michigan has 30,000 undergrad while UVA has only 16,000, almost the same size as Cornell. You may like that big 10 vibe, but many others prefer a smaller size school.

What data am I ignoring?

Your preference for a smaller school doesn’t make Michigan inferior. I also have news for you: out of hundreds of schools, 16 and 27 are statistically equivalent.

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Anonymous wrote:My employee w an undergrad from UMich is so much better than the ex-employee w a grad degree from Columbia. Much better critical thinking skills.

Great story.

Maybe they could use their critical thinking skills to explain to you why anecdotes aren’t data.

NP. Meh. Anecdotes are pretty common when making hiring decisions.

The people who would take the word of an anonymous poster on the Internet aren’t the employers people want.

I don't think anyone is going to make their college decision solely off an anonymous post on a parenting message board. It is still good information, though, and it's important to realize that OMG IVY LEAGUE!!!! YOU'RE HIRED!!!! thing just isn't how it works in the real world.

Ha ha! I am the poster about the employee and it is true. Wish it wasn’t true but the UMich employee did run circles around the Columbia grad and even corrected Columbia MBA grad’s work.

For OP, it is the IVY name that is making it difficult to make the decision. Ask yourself why. Is it bragging rights?
For OP’s DC - if you truly can’t decide, what do you feel about transferring?

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Anonymous wrote:My employee w an undergrad from UMich is so much better than the ex-employee w a grad degree from Columbia. Much better critical thinking skills.

Great story.

Maybe they could use their critical thinking skills to explain to you why anecdotes aren’t data.

NP. Meh. Anecdotes are pretty common when making hiring decisions.

The people who would take the word of an anonymous poster on the Internet aren’t the employers people want.

I don't think anyone is going to make their college decision solely off an anonymous post on a parenting message board. It is still good information, though, and it's important to realize that OMG IVY LEAGUE!!!! YOU'RE HIRED!!!! thing just isn't how it works in the real world.

Ha ha! I am the poster about the employee and it is true. Wish it wasn’t true but the UMich employee did run circles around the Columbia grad and even corrected Columbia MBA grad’s work.

For OP, it is the IVY name that is making it difficult to make the decision. Ask yourself why. Is it bragging rights?
For OP’s DC - if you truly can’t decide, what do you feel about transferring?

Why do you wish it wasn’t true?

[Anonymous]

NP, Michigan has the residential college, which can provide a ver intimate experience. Students live and take classes in the same building. You can make Mich intimate if you want so I wouldn’t worry about the size of the student body.

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t turn down Cornell. You’ll regret it.

Agreed
Michigan grad who thinks you should go to Cornell.

The notion that these two places are comparable in undergraduate quality is laughable. Michigan is pretty darn easy to get into in state.

It’s cute you think acceptance rate is a proxy for quality.

In this case it is.

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t turn down Cornell. You’ll regret it.

Agreed
Michigan grad who thinks you should go to Cornell.

The notion that these two places are comparable in undergraduate quality is laughable. Michigan is pretty darn easy to get into in state.

It’s cute you think acceptance rate is a proxy for quality.

In this case it is.

Prove it.

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Anonymous wrote:My employee w an undergrad from UMich is so much better than the ex-employee w a grad degree from Columbia. Much better critical thinking skills.

Great story.

Maybe they could use their critical thinking skills to explain to you why anecdotes aren’t data.

NP. Meh. Anecdotes are pretty common when making hiring decisions.

The people who would take the word of an anonymous poster on the Internet aren’t the employers people want.

I don't think anyone is going to make their college decision solely off an anonymous post on a parenting message board. It is still good information, though, and it's important to realize that OMG IVY LEAGUE!!!! YOU'RE HIRED!!!! thing just isn't how it works in the real world.

Ha ha! I am the poster about the employee and it is true. Wish it wasn’t true but the UMich employee did run circles around the Columbia grad and even corrected Columbia MBA grad’s work.

For OP, it is the IVY name that is making it difficult to make the decision. Ask yourself why. Is it bragging rights?
For OP’s DC - if you truly can’t decide, what do you feel about transferring?

Why do you wish it wasn’t true?

Because I had high expectations for the Col7mbia grad and the position was to help move the department’s projects forward. After letting grad go, I restructured department and promoted UMich employee. Just means our department’s projects and what we need to do is behind schedule.

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Anonymous wrote:I guess you are paying out of state for Michigan. So the cost difference is not that much.

I will go with Cornell if she is undecided.

UMich is full of out-of-state kids who TOTALLY got into similarly-priced Cornell, Penn and Brown, but preferred the vibe of Ann Arbor. Totally.

If the vibe of Michigan is important, sure, go to Michigan. Keep in mind, more than half of the students there get the same vibe for 1/3 of the cost.

But if the kid is undecided, you would get more for your $ at Cornell. Michigan has 30,000 undergraduate, while Cornell only has 15,000. One is a private and the other is a public. Cornell is an Ivy and always ranks higher than Michigan.

Hmm, always? You sure about that?

Michigan is #19 in undergrad teaching on USNWR
Cornell is #41

When you say public vs private what’s the implication? Endowment? Because Michigan’s is $12B while Cornell’s is $7B. Roughly the same per student money, since Michigan is twice as big.

Michigan has the 6th best undergrad engineering program; Cornell is #9

I could go on, but let’s at least acknowledge that public means nothing and Cornell by no means always outranks Michigan.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges

Obviously the ranking meant the widely accepted US News Best college ranking. Cornell always rank higher than Michigan on this list.

Cornell #16

UVA #25

Michigan #27

Private school generally has better faculty student ratio, more responsive career services, smaller class size, easier course selections, better dorms, etc. than a public.

Ah yes, ignoring data that doesn’t support your argument. Classy!

You realize Michigan has one of the most powerful alumni networks in the world, right?

Michigan booster, it's you who are ignoring the data. Michigan is a fine school. But if I have to pay the same cost, outside of engineering, I wouldn't even pick Michigan over UVA. For one, Michigan has 30,000 undergrad while UVA has only 16,000, almost the same size as Cornell. You may like that big 10 vibe, but many others prefer a smaller size school.

What data am I ignoring?

Your preference for a smaller school doesn’t make Michigan inferior. I also have news for you: out of hundreds of schools, 16 and 27 are statistically equivalent.

16 and 27 are not statistically equivalent. That's one of the data you are ignoring.

For out of state and international students, Michigan has a yield rate of 31%. Cornell has a yield rate of 56%. Please don't tell me again they are statistically equivalent.

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Anonymous wrote:I guess you are paying out of state for Michigan. So the cost difference is not that much.

I will go with Cornell if she is undecided.

UMich is full of out-of-state kids who TOTALLY got into similarly-priced Cornell, Penn and Brown, but preferred the vibe of Ann Arbor. Totally.

If the vibe of Michigan is important, sure, go to Michigan. Keep in mind, more than half of the students there get the same vibe for 1/3 of the cost.

But if the kid is undecided, you would get more for your $ at Cornell. Michigan has 30,000 undergraduate, while Cornell only has 15,000. One is a private and the other is a public. Cornell is an Ivy and always ranks higher than Michigan.

Hmm, always? You sure about that?

Michigan is #19 in undergrad teaching on USNWR
Cornell is #41

When you say public vs private what’s the implication? Endowment? Because Michigan’s is $12B while Cornell’s is $7B. Roughly the same per student money, since Michigan is twice as big.

Michigan has the 6th best undergrad engineering program; Cornell is #9

I could go on, but let’s at least acknowledge that public means nothing and Cornell by no means always outranks Michigan.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges

Obviously the ranking meant the widely accepted US News Best college ranking. Cornell always rank higher than Michigan on this list.

Cornell #16

UVA #25

Michigan #27

Private school generally has better faculty student ratio, more responsive career services, smaller class size, easier course selections, better dorms, etc. than a public.

Ah yes, ignoring data that doesn’t support your argument. Classy!

You realize Michigan has one of the most powerful alumni networks in the world, right?

Michigan booster, it's you who are ignoring the data. Michigan is a fine school. But if I have to pay the same cost, outside of engineering, I wouldn't even pick Michigan over UVA. For one, Michigan has 30,000 undergrad while UVA has only 16,000, almost the same size as Cornell. You may like that big 10 vibe, but many others prefer a smaller size school.

What data am I ignoring?

Your preference for a smaller school doesn’t make Michigan inferior. I also have news for you: out of hundreds of schools, 16 and 27 are statistically equivalent.

16 and 27 are not statistically equivalent. That's one of the data you are ignoring.

For out of state and international students, Michigan has a yield rate of 31%. Cornell has a yield rate of 56%. Please don't tell me again they are statistically equivalent.

And yet Michigan ranks higher in undergrad teaching by over 20 places in USNWR. Care to respond to that?

Yield isn’t a proxy for quality, by the way.