Michigan over Cornell?

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My DD sort of made this choice. Got in to Michigan engineering EA and subsequently decided not to complete her Cornell application.

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Anonymous wrote:Cornell has smarter kids. Everyone on the east coast knows Cornell rejects end up at Michigan and NYU.

Everyone in America knows you are 50!!! Most Mich and NYU kids do not even apply to Cornell. Anyone that can get into either school can get into the hotel management or ecology school (and transfer) if they REALLY want Cornell.

Cool cheesey cliches about an elite hospitality college, public U alum.

Not Cheesey at all. The STATE school parts of Cornell have higher acceptance rates. Kids know that you can apply to those schools and transfer IF you must go to an Ivy. The comment was in response to PPs comment about Mich and NYU. There was no slight meant against any school. You are free to look up the admit rates for all of the admit rates and you will see the comment is factual not snide.

Cornell has 4 "contract colleges" that Cornell runs for the state because historically the state wanted to help support agriculture, etc.
CALS, by far the largest contract college at Cornell, has an acceptance rate of 11%, which is very close to the overall Cornell acceptance rate. CALS is also consistently rated one of the best ag/ag engineering schools in the country.

Four? Ag, ILR, HumEc, and ??

Google is your friend bro...come on...

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Anonymous wrote:I guess you are paying out of state for Michigan. So the cost difference is not that much.

I will go with Cornell if she is undecided.

UMich is full of out-of-state kids who TOTALLY got into similarly-priced Cornell, Penn and Brown, but preferred the vibe of Ann Arbor. Totally.

If the vibe of Michigan is important, sure, go to Michigan. Keep in mind, more than half of the students there get the same vibe for 1/3 of the cost.

But if the kid is undecided, you would get more for your $ at Cornell. Michigan has 30,000 undergraduate, while Cornell only has 15,000. One is a private and the other is a public. Cornell is an Ivy and always ranks higher than Michigan.

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Anonymous wrote:I guess you are paying out of state for Michigan. So the cost difference is not that much.

I will go with Cornell if she is undecided.

UMich is full of out-of-state kids who TOTALLY got into similarly-priced Cornell, Penn and Brown, but preferred the vibe of Ann Arbor. Totally.

If the vibe of Michigan is important, sure, go to Michigan. Keep in mind, more than half of the students there get the same vibe for 1/3 of the cost.

But if the kid is undecided, you would get more for your $ at Cornell. Michigan has 30,000 undergraduate, while Cornell only has 15,000. One is a private and the other is a public. Cornell is an Ivy and always ranks higher than Michigan.

Hmm, always? You sure about that?

Michigan is #19 in undergrad teaching on USNWR
Cornell is #41

When you say public vs private what’s the implication? Endowment? Because Michigan’s is $12B while Cornell’s is $7B. Roughly the same per student money, since Michigan is twice as big.

Michigan has the 6th best undergrad engineering program; Cornell is #9

I could go on, but let’s at least acknowledge that public means nothing and Cornell by no means always outranks Michigan.

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Anonymous wrote:I guess you are paying out of state for Michigan. So the cost difference is not that much.

I will go with Cornell if she is undecided.

UMich is full of out-of-state kids who TOTALLY got into similarly-priced Cornell, Penn and Brown, but preferred the vibe of Ann Arbor. Totally.

If the vibe of Michigan is important, sure, go to Michigan. Keep in mind, more than half of the students there get the same vibe for 1/3 of the cost.

But if the kid is undecided, you would get more for your $ at Cornell. Michigan has 30,000 undergraduate, while Cornell only has 15,000. One is a private and the other is a public. Cornell is an Ivy and always ranks higher than Michigan.

Hmm, always? You sure about that?

Michigan is #19 in undergrad teaching on USNWR
Cornell is #41

When you say public vs private what’s the implication? Endowment? Because Michigan’s is $12B while Cornell’s is $7B. Roughly the same per student money, since Michigan is twice as big.

Michigan has the 6th best undergrad engineering program; Cornell is #9

I could go on, but let’s at least acknowledge that public means nothing and Cornell by no means always outranks Michigan.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges

Obviously the ranking meant the widely accepted US News Best college ranking. Cornell always rank higher than Michigan on this list.

Cornell #16

UVA #25

Michigan #27

Private school generally has better faculty student ratio, more responsive career services, smaller class size, easier course selections, better dorms, etc. than a public.

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Anonymous wrote:I guess you are paying out of state for Michigan. So the cost difference is not that much.

I will go with Cornell if she is undecided.

UMich is full of out-of-state kids who TOTALLY got into similarly-priced Cornell, Penn and Brown, but preferred the vibe of Ann Arbor. Totally.

If the vibe of Michigan is important, sure, go to Michigan. Keep in mind, more than half of the students there get the same vibe for 1/3 of the cost.

But if the kid is undecided, you would get more for your $ at Cornell. Michigan has 30,000 undergraduate, while Cornell only has 15,000. One is a private and the other is a public. Cornell is an Ivy and always ranks higher than Michigan.

Hmm, always? You sure about that?

Michigan is #19 in undergrad teaching on USNWR
Cornell is #41

When you say public vs private what’s the implication? Endowment? Because Michigan’s is $12B while Cornell’s is $7B. Roughly the same per student money, since Michigan is twice as big.

Michigan has the 6th best undergrad engineering program; Cornell is #9

I could go on, but let’s at least acknowledge that public means nothing and Cornell by no means always outranks Michigan.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges

Obviously the ranking meant the widely accepted US News Best college ranking. Cornell always rank higher than Michigan on this list.

Cornell #16

UVA #25

Michigan #27

Private school generally has better faculty student ratio, more responsive career services, smaller class size, easier course selections, better dorms, etc. than a public.

Ah yes, ignoring data that doesn’t support your argument. Classy!

You realize Michigan has one of the most powerful alumni networks in the world, right?

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Does she know where she wants to be after graduation? If NYC, then I think Cornell has the advantage. Easy access to NYC by bus throughout school year, a ton of New York classmates, lots of opportunities to meet students from other nearby schools who will wind up in NYC.

Otherwise, I think both are great schools. I went to one for undergrad and the other for grad school and enjoyed both.

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Anonymous wrote:Does she know where she wants to be after graduation? If NYC, then I think Cornell has the advantage. Easy access to NYC by bus throughout school year, a ton of New York classmates, lots of opportunities to meet students from other nearby schools who will wind up in NYC.

Otherwise, I think both are great schools. I went to one for undergrad and the other for grad school and enjoyed both.

Michigan alumni have a huge presence in NYC.

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Anonymous wrote:Does she know where she wants to be after graduation? If NYC, then I think Cornell has the advantage. Easy access to NYC by bus throughout school year, a ton of New York classmates, lots of opportunities to meet students from other nearby schools who will wind up in NYC.

Otherwise, I think both are great schools. I went to one for undergrad and the other for grad school and enjoyed both.

Michigan alumni have a huge presence in NYC.

I never said they don't. My opinion still stands.

[Anonymous]

I went to mich undergrad and had a seminar class with 10 people. You can make it small and intimate if you want. The good news is that there are so many course offerings that you can find your way. It’s a large research university and the number of offerings can’t be matched at a smaller school.

Plus, Ann Arbor is one of the best college towns in America.

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Anonymous wrote:Does she know where she wants to be after graduation? If NYC, then I think Cornell has the advantage. Easy access to NYC by bus throughout school year, a ton of New York classmates, lots of opportunities to meet students from other nearby schools who will wind up in NYC.

Otherwise, I think both are great schools. I went to one for undergrad and the other for grad school and enjoyed both.

Michigan alumni have a huge presence in NYC.

I lived in NYC for a few years and I honestly think I met more UMich people living there than I did living in Michigan (suburban Detroit).

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Anonymous wrote:FWIW there are a lot of in-state kids at Michigan who would not get into Cornell, even though they are top students at their high schools.

What’s your point?

+1 who cares?

NP, one could argue that it means if this kid is smart and hardworking that it might be easier to come out of MI with a high GPA bc the competition is less sharp. Im not sure that is actually true so i said "one could argue."

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Anonymous wrote:FWIW there are a lot of in-state kids at Michigan who would not get into Cornell, even though they are top students at their high schools.

What’s your point?

+1 who cares?

NP, one could argue that it means if this kid is smart and hardworking that it might be easier to come out of MI with a high GPA bc the competition is less sharp. Im not sure that is actually true so i said "one could argue."

...it's not

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Anonymous wrote:Does she know where she wants to be after graduation? If NYC, then I think Cornell has the advantage. Easy access to NYC by bus throughout school year, a ton of New York classmates, lots of opportunities to meet students from other nearby schools who will wind up in NYC.

Otherwise, I think both are great schools. I went to one for undergrad and the other for grad school and enjoyed both.

Michigan alumni have a huge presence in NYC.

I lived in NYC for a few years and I honestly think I met more UMich people living there than I did living in Michigan (suburban Detroit).

They’re also all over the DMV. There are tons of Michigan people in my workplace (analytic work for the feds). I can’t recall meeting any Cornell grads.

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Anonymous wrote:Does she know where she wants to be after graduation? If NYC, then I think Cornell has the advantage. Easy access to NYC by bus throughout school year, a ton of New York classmates, lots of opportunities to meet students from other nearby schools who will wind up in NYC.

Otherwise, I think both are great schools. I went to one for undergrad and the other for grad school and enjoyed both.

Michigan alumni have a huge presence in NYC.

I lived in NYC for a few years and I honestly think I met more UMich people living there than I did living in Michigan (suburban Detroit).

Michigan is very popular with Jewish kids from the NYC suburbs.