APS/SA boundary redrawing - meeting tonight

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm kind of shocked they caved to the Henry families. Also surprised Alcova didnt get moved to Fleet. It seems like the county always caters to certain neighborhoods.

But moving that 1/2 of Alcova Heights to Fleet and redistricting those units South of Columbia Pike would have only made Fleet richer and whiter, right?

I'm not PP but who cares? Honestly, I am sick of crocodile tears over the lily whiteness of some of the northern schools. You buy into Yorktown or similar, you are obviously just not that concerned about diversity. That's fine. You do you, I'm no county-wide busing proponent. But if, working within the parameters APS has said are important like maximizing walkers and minimizing alignment disruption, you can make a proposal that would alleviate severe concentration of poverty within a historically challenged school and you choose not to do that? I can't understand it.

Specifically with regard to Fleet, I wouldn't really call it rich and white. It's still around 1/4 to 1/3 low income. That's a pretty decent balance from whichever way you're looking at the issue.

I'm PP and don't follow you. The east side of Alcova Heights is higher income compared to the west side of Alcova Heights. Thus, moving all the higher income units from Barcroft to Fleet, and moving the lower income units (South of Columbia Pike) from Henry to other schools would make Henry/Fleet LOSE diversity. I don't follow what you are saying about crocodile tears. I have two kids at Patrick Henry, and want the entire community to go to Fleet.

Gilliam Place is in the East side of alcova - is there some chart you're looking at that tells the income level of each PU? Without Gilliam operational, I don't see why one would think the west is poorer than the east -- there are townhouses on the west side; but not necessarily all lower-income people. The northern portion of duplexes is likely on the lower side; but alcova is a pretty mixed neighborhood.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So the livestream of the community meeting was nothing more than someone reading aloud the presentation we could already read for ourselves online, and that's it, no further explanation of opportunity to hear questions and answers? That's garbage.

garbage indeed - what a waste
we can read slides for ourselves
they seem so proud of themselves for making a fuzzing video, get with the times, APS.
parents here expect thoughtful critical analysis not fuzzy videos.

[Anonymous]

Did the livestream capture the "Keep Henry Together" t-shirts?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Did the livestream capture the "Keep Henry Together" t-shirts?

The takeaway from these materials is that Columbia Forest didn't see it coming until it was too late, and that a mass of white parents wearing matching tshirts gets what they want from APS every time.

[Anonymous]

What does Columbia Forest have to do with this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What does Columbia Forest have to do with this?

Look at the map.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What does Columbia Forest have to do with this?

Look at the map.

Do you mean Columbia Heights?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did the livestream capture the "Keep Henry Together" t-shirts?

The takeaway from these materials is that Columbia Forest didn't see it coming until it was too late, and that a mass of white parents wearing matching tshirts gets what they want from APS every time.

While I tend to agree and know it can be hard to change these maps once a true proposal is out, this map exposes APS on the “loud well off white people” get what they want criticism. Some of the decisions imbedded are going to be hard to justify.

And for anyone looking at the Drew boundary, do some research. On other occasions, APS has said that across the park situation didn’t create contiguous planning units.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What does Columbia Forest have to do with this?

Look at the map.

Do you mean Columbia Heights?

Nope. Columbia heights is behind Celtic house and K-1 and is going to Fleet, based on today's map. Columbia Forest is at the intersection of 4mr and the pike, across from Arlington Mill, and is going to Drew in that map. But I can understand your confusion; the names are similar and the sensible thing is to zone Columbia heights to Drew, since it's contiguous to Nauck and Columbia Forest isn't. But, tshirts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did the livestream capture the "Keep Henry Together" t-shirts?

The takeaway from these materials is that Columbia Forest didn't see it coming until it was too late, and that a mass of white parents wearing matching tshirts gets what they want from APS every time.

While I tend to agree and know it can be hard to change these maps once a true proposal is out, this map exposes APS on the “loud well off white people” get what they want criticism. Some of the decisions imbedded are going to be hard to justify.

And for anyone looking at the Drew boundary, do some research. On other occasions, APS has said that across the park situation didn’t create contiguous planning units.

How do they reach across Barcroft Park to zone to Drew? It makes no sense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did the livestream capture the "Keep Henry Together" t-shirts?

The takeaway from these materials is that Columbia Forest didn't see it coming until it was too late, and that a mass of white parents wearing matching tshirts gets what they want from APS every time.

While I tend to agree and know it can be hard to change these maps once a true proposal is out, this map exposes APS on the “loud well off white people” get what they want criticism. Some of the decisions imbedded are going to be hard to justify.

And for anyone looking at the Drew boundary, do some research. On other occasions, APS has said that across the park situation didn’t create contiguous planning units.

How do they reach across Barcroft Park to zone to Drew? It makes no sense.

It's easier than saying no to the tshirts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did the livestream capture the "Keep Henry Together" t-shirts?

The takeaway from these materials is that Columbia Forest didn't see it coming until it was too late, and that a mass of white parents wearing matching tshirts gets what they want from APS every time.

While I tend to agree and know it can be hard to change these maps once a true proposal is out, this map exposes APS on the “loud well off white people” get what they want criticism. Some of the decisions imbedded are going to be hard to justify.

And for anyone looking at the Drew boundary, do some research. On other occasions, APS has said that across the park situation didn’t create contiguous planning units.

How do they reach across Barcroft Park to zone to Drew? It makes no sense.

It's easier than saying no to the tshirts.

They blatantly don’t have contiguous planning units. Don’t we remember last spring when they were telling folks up on NA that the boundaries when Reed opened would look ridiculous because they had to maintain contiguous units. No islands, they said. No look! They do that to some of the most economically disadvantaged kids in the county. Unconscionable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What does Columbia Forest have to do with this?

Look at the map.

Do you mean Columbia Heights?

Nope. Columbia heights is behind Celtic house and K-1 and is going to Fleet, based on today's map. Columbia Forest is at the intersection of 4mr and the pike, across from Arlington Mill, and is going to Drew in that map. But I can understand your confusion; the names are similar and the sensible thing is to zone Columbia heights to Drew, since it's contiguous to Nauck and Columbia Forest isn't. But, tshirts.

Okay, thanks for the clarification.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm kind of shocked they caved to the Henry families. Also surprised Alcova didnt get moved to Fleet. It seems like the county always caters to certain neighborhoods.

But moving that 1/2 of Alcova Heights to Fleet and redistricting those units South of Columbia Pike would have only made Fleet richer and whiter, right?

I'm not PP but who cares? Honestly, I am sick of crocodile tears over the lily whiteness of some of the northern schools. You buy into Yorktown or similar, you are obviously just not that concerned about diversity. That's fine. You do you, I'm no county-wide busing proponent. But if, working within the parameters APS has said are important like maximizing walkers and minimizing alignment disruption, you can make a proposal that would alleviate severe concentration of poverty within a historically challenged school and you choose not to do that? I can't understand it.

Specifically with regard to Fleet, I wouldn't really call it rich and white. It's still around 1/4 to 1/3 low income. That's a pretty decent balance from whichever way you're looking at the issue.

I'm PP and don't follow you. The east side of Alcova Heights is higher income compared to the west side of Alcova Heights. Thus, moving all the higher income units from Barcroft to Fleet, and moving the lower income units (South of Columbia Pike) from Henry to other schools would make Henry/Fleet LOSE diversity. I don't follow what you are saying about crocodile tears. I have two kids at Patrick Henry, and want the entire community to go to Fleet.

Gilliam Place is in the East side of alcova - is there some chart you're looking at that tells the income level of each PU? Without Gilliam operational, I don't see why one would think the west is poorer than the east -- there are townhouses on the west side; but not necessarily all lower-income people. The northern portion of duplexes is likely on the lower side; but alcova is a pretty mixed neighborhood.

I don’t know. I see Alcova Heights as very similar—housing wise—to Arlington heights (excluding the new Gilliam place). The big apartment complexes don’t start until you move west of George mason into Barcroft.

[Anonymous]

Holy crap- That map has them sending part of the Barcroft Apartments to Drew. Wow. They aren't even trying to make Drew a balanced option for South Arlington.